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Air India To Fly DEL - YYZ Non Stop Effective W10  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

According to Air India website, Effective winter 2010,

Air India will fly 6 weekly non stops between DEL and YYZ.

AI 187 DEL - YYZ 0150 0705 15 hrs 45 mins
AI 188 YYZ - DEL 1035 1125+1 14 hrs 15 mins

Aircraft: B777-300ER, all days except Sunday.

Note: the AI 187 schedule is not confirmed as of now, there maybe slight changes there. The same flight number is extended to ATQ in both directions.

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This flight connects will in both directions to key points in Canada (YVR, YUL, YYC) and also to key destinations in India such as BOM, MAA, BLR, CCU, HYD, ATQ et al.

This flight will not have any passenger restrictions, however it cannot carry revenue cargo in DEL - YYZ direction.

[Edited 2010-07-27 09:30:43]


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User currently offlineag92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

Interesting, however who is providing connections to YVR - AC? And why this cargo restriction on one way of the flight?

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10689 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
AI 187 DEL - YYZ 0150 0705 15 hrs 45 mins
AI 188 YYZ - DEL 1035 1125+1 14 hrs 15 mins

Unlike the BOM-EWR flight, this one has much better utilisation of aircraft as it turns around in less than four hours.

I hope, for the Indian taxpayer's sake, the DEL hub strategy works out for AI.


User currently offlineblr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10668 times:

good to see the non-stop YYZ route back. I njoyed AC service a few years back when they flew the route non-stop. Is there any reason behind 6 wky/daily flights (bilaterals?)
Nice to see AI expand in DEL and making it a true int'l hub.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

Quoting blr380 (Reply 3):
Is there any reason behind 6 wky/daily flights (bilaterals?)
Nice to see AI expand in DEL and making it a true int'l hub.

Nope no bilateral restrictions. Indian carriers can fly 35 weekly flights into Canada. As of now 9W, AI have daily flights each out of YYZ.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10591 times:

So three of the non-stop routes, DEL-JFK, DEL-ORD, BOM-EWR, will be flown by 77L. That takes care of 6 of the eight 77L. Is DEL-MEL on 77L or 77W?

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
So three of the non-stop routes, DEL-JFK, DEL-ORD, BOM-EWR, will be flown by 77L. That takes care of 6 of the eight 77L.

DEL - JFK is a B77W from the winter schedule. DEL - MEL is not clear as of now. But with almost all B77Ls being utilised given the existing schedules out of DEL; MEL should be a B77W.



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2243 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Nonstop is one way to offset some of the threat from EK connecting through DBX and competition from Jet out of YYZ connecting through BRU. If they have an idea that AC will resume service to India when the 787's arrive they also might want to re-establish a direct link beforehand.

Traffic to and from India is known for very heavy passenger baggage volume. Some of the visits are for extended stays of relatives coming to visit family living in Canada. As well family going back to India from Canada tend to get a long list of items that family members want brought. Watch an AI flight checkin and you get the idea very quickly.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10374 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):

DEL - JFK is a B77W from the winter schedule. DEL - MEL is not clear as of now. But with almost all B77Ls being utilised given the existing schedules out of DEL; MEL should be a B77W.

Wouldn't 77W be too big of a plane to fill for a brand new route that never existed or there is that much of a perceived demand?


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Is AC planning on putting a codeshare on this flight once AI joins Star?


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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 770 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

I hope with this newest tactic of the T3 hub, AI gets it's house in order. If they cannot offer convenient connectors departing within 2-4 hours of arrival, it's going to be useless. Currently, it's the likes of EK, EY and QR who are connecting India better than it's national airline.

I have to fly to BLR in September on business and was looking for options. AI came up with AI188 YYZ-LHR-DEL-BLR a freaking 8 hour layover in DEL. I instead booked tickets for YYZ-IAD-DOH-BLR on AA and QR with max layovers of 2 hours.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

No the capacity of the B 77W is ideal for this route as it will cater to O&D traffic from all of Canada (with AC interline from YYZ) to all of India (via DEL) as well as to DAC and KTM.

Between Nov-Feb, this flight should see near full loads where as between March-November, it might do in the mid 70s% range. The flight schedule is also very good in the sense that there will be no more stressful 'fog related' delays during the peak winter season.

9W will suffer big time due to this from YYZ as they are using an older A 332 on this route with 18J + 236Y with an old J class product that does not offer flat bed seating.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10147 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 11):
No the capacity of the B 77W is ideal for this route as it will cater to O&D traffic from all of Canada (with AC interline from YYZ) to all of India (via DEL) as well as to DAC and KTM.

Does AI fly non-stop from Delhi to Colombo? Or any other carrier?


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 12):
oes AI fly non-stop from Delhi to Colombo? Or any other carrier?

UL flies a daily DEL - CMB with an AI code share on it.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25373 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):
Is AC planning on putting a codeshare on this flight once AI joins Star?

AC already codeshares on 9W flights, both their direct flights YYZ-DEL via BRU and on connecting AC/9W flights via LHR.. Once AI joins Star I would expect AC may end that relationship and switch the codeshare to AI.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 13):
UL flies a daily DEL - CMB with an AI code share on it.

Thanks. Will the proposed DEL-YYZ flight connect well with this flight? Can AI expect to attract some of the YYZ-Colombo market?


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10060 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 15):
Can AI expect to attract some of the YYZ-Colombo market?

I have to admit that is not a market I would have considered . Do you know whether there is much of a YYZ-CMB market ?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Once AI joins Star I would expect AC may end that relationship and switch the codeshare to AI.

Unless of course *A gets 9W to join as well  



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
I have to admit that is not a market I would have considered . Do you know whether there is much of a YYZ-CMB market ?

I believe there are many Sri Lankans of Tamil origin in YYZ. I wonder if the current political situation in Sri Lanka is an impediment for VFR travel.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4786 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9905 times:

Sri Lankans Sinhalese + Sri Lankan Tamil people in Toronto number 220,000

In 2009, 38,000 passengers flew YYZ CMB YYZ.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4995 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

Quoting ag92 (Reply 1):
And why this cargo restriction on one way of the flight?

That to is my question. It is not as if the 77W is payload limited in any way. It is good for about 47t assuming ~ 6700nm ESAD which is a useful margin over the max passenger load ~33t.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8376 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9693 times:
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Air India going to all the big North American cities nonstop, what a concept. They ordered all these 777 but stopped in FRA and LHR like they have been doing since Independence. This is what should have been done in 2004 when the 777 arrived. Now AI has a new strategy, fly nonstop to all the Big Star Alliance in North America.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

Considering the amount of luggage involved I would think DEL-YYZ-DEL would be a stretch for the 77W

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Air India will fly 6 weekly non stops between DEL and YYZ.

AI 187 DEL - YYZ 0150 0705 15 hrs 45 mins
AI 188 YYZ - DEL 1035 1125+1 14 hrs 15 mins

Aircraft: B777-300ER, all days except Sunday.

Just a quick edit; AI will be operating DAILY flights to YYZ and here is the confirmed schedule.

AI 187 DEL - YYZ 0125 0645 15 hrs 50 mins
AI 188 YYZ - DEL 1035 1125+1 14 hrs 20 mins

Aircraft: B777-300ER



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 9054 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 10):
instead booked tickets for YYZ-IAD-DOH-BLR on AA and QR with max layovers of 2 hours.

Wouldn't any of

YYZ-FRA-BLR on LH,

YYZ-CDG-BLR on AF

or

YYZ-LHR-BLR on BA

been much more convenient?


User currently offlinefly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 9020 times:

So just to clear something up this flight replaces the flight the have right now correct?


Where will you spend eternity? He,s more real then you think!!!!!
25 pnwtraveler : Another question to whoever may know. Is the lack of cargo space simply due to the range and passenger baggage issue? Or is there a security issue wit
26 tayser : With the amount of Indians in Melbourne and the business connections, no non-stop flights from anywhere in Australia to India at present (SYD-BOM is
27 sunrisevalley : Range would not be the issue and to use the available freight capacity with extra baggage asumes each pasenger to have something like 40kg of excess
28 Post contains images fortunerunnner : Great. Hopefully it works out for AI as I would like to seem them succeed and start even more routes
29 Nimish : Wow - excellent progress from AI. Now where are those 787s when AI needs them to allow for additional flights from their hub at DEL?
30 Kaiarahi : That's 112 77Ws! On the other hand, EK has CMB sewn up with 2 daily 77W DXB-CMB-DXB, daily 332 via MLE, and a 43% ownership stake in UL.
31 Flying Belgian : Hi Behramjee, I've flown with one of those two "Rolls-Royce" A332 back in march from BRU to DEL and I can tell you the seats in economy are very comf
32 IAD380 : Besides New York, which North American cities does AI fly nonstop from BOM? Also, what are AI plans for IAD?
33 mk777 : I think once AI starts getting there 787, they will fly to IAD. I also feel that AI is trying to get to all the major *A hubs with their flights: BOM
34 ojas : Other than DEL - SFO, and DEL - XXX - MXP no new routes should be coming online. With the B787s I expect BOM - JFK to re start alongside with BOM - E
35 Post contains images fortunerunnner : AI has ~27 (per wikipedia) 787s on order so they will definitely start new routes with those once all of them are delivered. Which routes AI will sta
36 AKLDELNonstop : Are you thinking what I am thinking, Sir?
37 Post contains images ojas : DEL - MXP - IAD ... sorry a typo there. Yes I'm!!!!!!
38 vivekman2006 : In addition to new routes, the 787s could also serve as a replacement for AI's A310s for serving medium haul destinations like SIN, HKG, PVG, KIX, et
39 Post contains images fortunerunnner : Per Wikipedia currently AI has approximately 14 planes which are either leased and/or slated for retirement such as 310s, 332s (leased), 772/772ER (w
40 IAD380 : So, DEL-SFO will be nonstop, while DEL to IAD will stop in MXP? Assuming that the flight to SFO crosses the Atlantic rather than the Pacific, why wou
41 LAXDESI : I wonder if AI plans to convert some of its 788 orders to 789 for its higher range. I would think they are planning to use some of the 787s for non-st
42 fortunerunnner : Probably they want to capture MXP-IAD market. Not sure how much market there for for MXP-SFO and SFO flight most probably will use the polar routes s
43 IAD380 : Thank you, An excellent answer to my question!
44 fortunerunnner : You are welcome sir. My analysis was purely my own and in no way an authoritative answer, I hope someone who has better knowledge about the matter wi
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