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Airline Seating - Y, F, J, W - What Does It Mean?  
User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 42264 times:

Evening everyone,

A very basic question but what does Y, F, J and W actually stand for?

Examples:

G-VIIC (14F/48J/40W/124Y) - Does it mean 14 First Class, 48 Busniess, 40 Premium Economy, 124 Economy?

G-VIIT (40J/24W/216Y)

G-YMMF (48J/24W/203Y)

So what is each individual meaning of the letters?

J?
F?
W?
Y?

I'm making the seat numbers up, but would an Easyjet plane be 172Y for example? Just economy seats?

Any info and examples greatly appreciated!

Jordan  


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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 42249 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
G-VIIC (14F/48J/40W/124Y) - Does it mean 14 First Class, 48 Busniess, 40 Premium Economy, 124 Economy?

G-VIIT (40J/24W/216Y)

G-YMMF (48J/24W/203Y)

Yes. In these examples G-VIIT is 40 business/24 premium econ/216 econ.
G-YMMF is 48 business/24 premium econ/203 econ.

Not sure where the actual designators came from, but that is what it means.



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User currently offlinephklm From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 42175 times:

Common in the airline industry are:

F / P - First Class

J / C - Business Class

W - Premium Economy

Y / M - Economy

A fairly large number of airlines have F, J and Y also as their highest booking classes within a certain cabin, however this is arbitrary and can be decided upon by the airline. Also, the highest booking class does not necessarily have to correspond with the cabin designator (i.e an airline could have A as it's highest bookings class for the J cabin).


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2979 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 42101 times:

There are variations, but here are the basics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_class


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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 42065 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
G-VIIC (14F/48J/40W/124Y) - Does it mean 14 First Class, 48 Busniess, 40 Premium Economy, 124 Economy?

Yes. In the example you give, F is being used as the abbreviation for "First Class Cabin", J is being used as the abbreviation for the Business Class Cabin, W for the Premium Economy, and Y for the standard economy cabin.

These codes often also refer to the top fare in that cabin. For example, if your fare code is F, you are often a full-fare paying first class passenger. If your fare code on the ticket is Y, you are often a full-fare paying Coach Class passenger. As others have said, F, J/C, and Y are the standard codes for full fare First, Business, and Coach passengers on most airlines. After that, it varies. For example, at Delta, the codes for Coach from top fare down to the deeply discounted are: Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, and T. For DL Skymiles Redemption Tickets, First Class is "R" and Business is "O". I believe Coach is "N". At AA, the "Economy Super Saver" fare code is "Q", most likely the equivalent of a U or T fare code on DL.

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
I'm making the seat numbers up, but would an Easyjet plane be 172Y for example? Just economy seats?

Yes. Often times, especially here on A.net, people will talk about aircraft in an "All Y" or "All J/C" configuration".


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 41981 times:

Quoting jetblast (Reply 1):

Yes. In these examples G-VIIT is 40 business/24 premium econ/216 econ.
G-YMMF is 48 business/24 premium econ/203 econ.
Quoting phklm (Reply 2):
F / P - First Class

J / C - Business Class

W - Premium Economy

Y / M - Economy
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 3):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_class
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 4):
Yes. Often times, especially here on A.net, people will talk about aircraft in an "All Y" or "All J/C" configuration".

Thank you all ever so much, I can now look through some of the threads and understand what they all mean, rather than having just a blank look on my face. Greatly appreciated!  

Jordan



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User currently offlineAV8orWALK From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 41922 times:

Thank you to the OP, virginblue4, for asking this question! I often wondered, but usually found myself skipping past posts that contained the abbreviations. Now I know.

Cheers!
Drew



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4634 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 41781 times:

You can often see it in an airlines Frequent Flyer terms & conditions.

At Qantas, the fare classes are -

Discount Economy - EGLMNOQSVX
Discount Economy - BHK (International Flights Only)
Economy - BHK (Domestic Flights Only)
Economy - YBHK (Qantas marketed and operated by Jetstar)
Economy - Y
Premium Economy - RTWZ
Business - CDIJU
First - AFP

Within oneworld, the common fare classes are -

L for Economy around the world, D for Business around the world and A for First around the world

In general, the above are also discounted fare classes for the same fares, with I being an even cheaper discount on business over J/C/D fares.

Anyway, all airlines are different, hence F, J, W, Y are the common ones for the four classes  



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 41610 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
A very basic question but what does Y, F, J and W actually stand for?

These are four of the twenty-two Prime IATA Class Codes used universally by all IATA members.

Here you will find a full list of the available codes:

http://www.atpco.net/atpco/download/rbd_iata_res728.pdf


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 41530 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 8):
Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
A very basic question but what does Y, F, J and W actually stand for?

These are four of the twenty-two Prime IATA Class Codes used universally by all IATA members.

Here you will find a full list of the available codes:

http://www.atpco.net/atpco/download/...8.pdf

That version of IATA Resolution 728 is dated 2003. There have been quite a few changes since then. And not all IATA member airlines apply all the IATA Resolutions. Nothing is binding.


User currently offlinewexfordflyer From Ireland, joined Jun 2009, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 41514 times:

I had often been wondering this too. Had managed to pick up a few pits from reading posts and then just got to the stage of skipping over!!

You learn something new every day!!



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7461 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 41425 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
That version of IATA Resolution 728 is dated 2003. There have been quite a few changes since then. And not all IATA member airlines apply all the IATA Resolutions.

As you will have noted the document says that the Codes are mandatory. Do you know when this IATA requirement was recinded and what replaced this requirement? It would be useful to know what the actual changed situation is.


User currently offlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2356 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 41393 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
with I being an even cheaper discount on business over J/C/D fares.

Often I is an upgrade from Y to C



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 41387 times:

Quoting lh526 (Reply 12):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
with I being an even cheaper discount on business over J/C/D fares.

Often I is an upgrade from Y to C

On DL, "V" is an upgrade from Y to F.


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 41332 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 13):

On US the use of "O" indicates a upgrade from economy to domestic first (for preferred members I know, don't know if they use the same code for purchased upgrades)



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 41328 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 11):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
That version of IATA Resolution 728 is dated 2003. There have been quite a few changes since then. And not all IATA member airlines apply all the IATA Resolutions.

As you will have noted the document says that the Codes are mandatory. Do you know when this IATA requirement was recinded and what replaced this requirement? It would be useful to know what the actual changed situation is.

IATA can't make anything mandatory. Governments won't permit it. The wording implies that all IATA members should be applying all IATA Resolutions (hundreds of them) but that is far from the actual practice. Many IATA members ignore rules they don't agree with. I don't have access to the latest version ofo the Resolution in question but there are normally at least a few changes every year to almost all IATA Resolutions and Recommended Practices.

A good example of IATA rules that airlines ignored so widely that the rules were eventually dropped were those covering seat pitch and number of seats abreast on various aircraft types for the different classes of services (for example, 34 inches maximum pitch for Y class). Airlines started ignoring those restriictions so widely, especially those that applied to the premium class products, that they became meaningless and were eventually eliminated, resulting in today's free-for-all with everyone doing whatever they want.


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