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OAG Changes 7/30/2010: AA/DL/FL/MX/TOM/US/YX  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airlines are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

AA
BOS-RDU 5>0 SEP-
DFW-GRK 11>12 SEP-
JFK-CVG 0>1 NOV-
JFK-DCA 7>5 NOV-
JFK-BOS 7>5 NOV-
JFK-IND 0>1 NOV-
JFK-ORF 0>1 NOV-
JFK-RDU 6>4 NOV-
JFK-STL 2>1 NOV-
JFK-YYZ 3>4 NOV-
ORD-CVG 7>8 NOV-
ORD-CLE 4>5 AUG-NOV

AC
YYZ-MEM 2>1 NOV-
YYZ-SFO 3>4 NOV-

AI
ORD-DEL 0>1 NOV-
ORD-FRA 1>0 NOV-

CO
FLL-ELH 3>2 NOV-
FLL-EYW 6>5 OCT-
FLL-GGT 5>4 OCT-

DL
ATL-HPN 6>7 NOV-
ATL-XNA 6>5 NOV-
BDL-LAX 4/WK>0 OCT-
CVG-HPN 1>0 NOV- (1 dies every week lately)
DTW-CWA 4>3 NOV-
LGA-AUA 0>1/WK DEC-
MSP-CWA 5>4 NOV-

FL
ATL-SEA 0>3/WK XMAS-NEW YEARS
MKE-LAX 2>3 NOV-
MKE-LGA 4>5 NOV-
MKE-SFO 1>2 NOV-

G4
COS-LGB 0>2/WK SEP-
IDA-LGB 0>2/WK OCT-

MX
Don't know if this is real or mistake
LAX-MLM 1>0 SEP-
LAX-PVR 1>0 SEP-
LAX-ZCL 4/WK>0 SEP-
OAK-BJX 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
OAK-ZCL 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
ORD-BJX 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
ORD-MLM 1>0 SEP-
ORD-PVR 3/WK>0 NOV-
ORD-ZCL 3/WK>0 NOV-
SFO-PVR 5/WK>0 SEP-
SJC-MLM 3/WK>0 SEP-
SMF-SJD 4/WK>0 SEP-

NK
LAS-ORD 0>1 NOV- (This was deleted a couple of weeks ago. Is this a Funjet charter?)

TOM (THOMSON)
ALL EFFECTIVE NOV-
SFB TO:
BHX 1/WK>0
BRS 1/WK>0
EMA 1/WK>0
GLA 1/WK>0
LGW 3/WK>1/WK
MAN 3/WK>1/WK
NCL 1/WK>0

UA
DEN-HDN 3>4 DEC-
LMT-PDX 2>1 OCT-

US
SLOT LEASE ENDING?
DCA-BHM 3>0 OCT-
DCA-TLH 1>0 OCT-
DCA-YOW 3>0 OCT-
DCA-YUL 3>0 OCT-

VX
MCO-LAX 0>1 OCT-
MCO-SFO 0>1 OCT-

YX
Schedule stops as of Oct1 now instead of Jan1.

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6479 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DCA-BHM 3>0 OCT-
DCA-TLH 1>0 OCT-
DCA-YOW 3>0 OCT-
DCA-YUL 3>0 OCT-

These were all announced just within the past month as new routes to start in the fall. So either they are just readjusting the schedule and will reload them or the plan to lease additional slots fell through.


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

MX
Don't know if this is real or mistake
LAX-MLM 1>0 SEP-
LAX-PVR 1>0 SEP-
LAX-ZCL 4/WK>0 SEP-
OAK-BJX 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
OAK-ZCL 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
ORD-BJX 2/WK>0 NOV-JAN
ORD-MLM 1>0 SEP-
ORD-PVR 3/WK>0 NOV-
ORD-ZCL 3/WK>0 NOV-
SFO-PVR 5/WK>0 SEP-
SJC-MLM 3/WK>0 SEP-
SMF-SJD 4/WK>0 SEP-

Just on a random search of a few of these flights on MX's website, these flights are showing up as operating. I don't think that MX would cut all of California and O'Hare in one swoop. Maybe some adjustments and something to be loaded in later?

[Edited 2010-07-27 12:25:42]

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
These were all announced just within the past month as new routes to start in the fall. So either they are just readjusting the schedule and will reload them or the plan to lease additional slots fell through.

I didn't realize they never started them. Well, I guess the deal must have been with Delta. Perhaps the FAA/DOT would not even let US lease the slots which was their backup plan.

Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
these flights are showing up as operating. I don't think that MX would cut all of California and O'Hare in one swoop.

It's not everything. They left MEX.


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
It's not everything. They left MEX.

Okay, besides MEX.
I checked out about 5 or 6 of these flights on the MX website now, and all were still bookable in their system...


User currently onlinesearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):
Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
these flights are showing up as operating. I don't think that MX would cut all of California and O'Hare in one swoop.

It's not everything. They left MEX.

It's accurate, MX is canceling all transborder service from PVR, SJD, MLM, ZCL, BJX. Interesting that ORD-PVR, ZCL are listed from November, as the flights are gone as of 9/1.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6953 times:

Quoting searpqx (Reply 5):
It's accurate, MX is canceling all transborder service from PVR, SJD, MLM, ZCL, BJX. Interesting that ORD-PVR, ZCL are listed from November, as the flights are gone as of 9/1.

If it's accurate, they haven't adjusted their website yet.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK
LAS-ORD 0>1 NOV- (This was deleted a couple of weeks ago. Is this a Funjet charter?)

It's scheduled, and a tag-on to ACY-ORD. The flight goes ACY-ORD-LAS and back.



I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

I do believe that the MX service regrettably is correct. I posted something yesterday on MX because the rumours are that they are making an announcement on Friday and possibly the carrier will be sold off (Click and Link to InterJet) and Int'l service to AM. If that does happen I think it is SAD!


Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Opportunity for AM or CO/UA to add some transborder out of ORD.

User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Mexicana is too good to be sold to any airlines. Do not lay a hand on Mexicana.


Bring JetBlue To Mexico City! (TLC and/or MEX would be great)
User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2633 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
It's scheduled, and a tag-on to ACY-ORD. The flight goes ACY-ORD-LAS and back.

ACY-ORD does not start until March 3rd.



next flights ACY-TPA-ACY on NK, ACY-ORD-DEN-IAH-ACY on UA
User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1531 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL
ATL-SEA 0>3/WK XMAS-NEW YEARS
MKE-LAX 2>3 NOV-
MKE-LGA 4>5 NOV-
MKE-SFO 1>2 NOV-

I just want to correct these a little bit. MKE-LGA is now going to be 5 daily yearround so that change is accurate. MKE-LAX/SFO though are only getting the extra daily flight from Nov19-Nov30 and Dec17-Jan4 so they are not permanent changes. ATL-SEA is daily from Dec17-Jan4.



717,72S,732/3/4/5/G/8/9,744,752/3,763/4,772/3,D9S/5,M8/90,D10,319/20/21,332/3,388,CR2/7/9,EM2,ER4,E70/75/90,SF3,AR8
User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AI
ORD-DEL 0>1 NOV-
ORD-FRA 1>0 NOV-

What about EWR-BOM n/s?


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1850 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CVG-HPN 1>0 NOV- (1 dies every week lately)

no surprise here, this flight was added back on for the summer after being gone for quite a while, not too much of a shocker.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
It's scheduled, and a tag-on to ACY-ORD. The flight goes ACY-ORD-LAS and back.

It's still odd regardless of the tag.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 8):
I do believe that the MX service regrettably is correct. I posted something yesterday on MX because the rumours are that they are making an announcement on Friday and possibly the carrier will be sold off (Click and Link to InterJet) and Int'l service to AM. If that does happen I think it is SAD!

That's blockbuster if true. I also read Spirit's owners acquired a stake in Volaris which would probably break up the WN relationship.

Quoting ewrkid (Reply 13):
What about EWR-BOM n/s?

That wasn't in the load, but I saw that thread.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

BOS-RDU 5>0 SEP-
JFK-CVG 0>1 NOV-
JFK-DCA 7>5 NOV-
JFK-BOS 7>5 NOV-
JFK-IND 0>1 NOV-
JFK-ORF 0>1 NOV-
JFK-RDU 6>4 NOV-
JFK-STL 2>1 NOV-
JFK-YYZ 3>4 NOV-

I thought the AA move to expand JFK by cutting RDU and the US moves were the most interesting thing this week.


User currently offlinecaleeiii From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US
SLOT LEASE ENDING?
DCA-BHM 3>0 OCT-

WHEN was this ever in the mix?


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 14):
no surprise here, this flight was added back on for the summer after being gone for quite a while, not too much of a shocker.

Meh. I was hoping it would stick around. But, the cut makes sense given that...

The HPN slot was immediately put to use on a seventh ATL flight.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Quoting caleeiii (Reply 17):
WHEN was this ever in the mix?

It was announced a few months ago with no apparent explanation for where the slots would come from.

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 8):
I do believe that the MX service regrettably is correct. I posted something yesterday on MX because the rumours are that they are making an announcement on Friday and possibly the carrier will be sold off (Click and Link to InterJet) and Int'l service to AM. If that does happen I think it is SAD!

That's blockbuster if true. I also read Spirit's owners acquired a stake in Volaris which would probably break up the WN relationship.

It's amazing to me that Aeromexico is considered the more stable of the two carriers given that AM files their schedule changes like a drunk frat-boy. MX, at least, doesn't change their minds three times and then reinstate the flight with no time to sell it like AM does all the time.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US
SLOT LEASE ENDING?
DCA-BHM 3>0 OCT-
DCA-TLH 1>0 OCT-
DCA-YOW 3>0 OCT-
DCA-YUL 3>0 OCT-

OK, now we know where these slots went...US was going to lease them from DL, but now DL is going to use them for their own routes. Ironically, Alabama loses BHM on US and HSV on DL in the whole deal.

With its convenient location near central Washington, D.C., Reagan National Airport is the area's preferred airport for business travelers. On Oct. 31, Delta will launch new nonstop service from the airport to Hartford, Conn.; Columbus, Ohio; Jacksonville, Fla.; Orlando, Fla.; Miami, Fla.; Tampa, Fla.; and St. Louis, for a total of 21 new daily nonstop flights to Reagan National.

In addition, Delta's existing service from Reagan National to Boston will be expanded with five additional daily frequencies for a schedule of 12 flights each day, while Delta's service to Indianapolis will be expanded from two to three daily flights.

As part of the schedule realignment, Delta will be discontinuing service between Reagan National and Huntsville, Ala.


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3147 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
OK, now we know where these slots went...US was going to lease them from DL, but now DL is going to use them for their own routes. Ironically, Alabama loses BHM on US and HSV on DL in the whole deal.

I posted a teaser comment about this yesterday on this thread but the mod didn't think it added any value.  


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 21):
I posted a teaser comment about this yesterday on this thread but the mod didn't think it added any value.

I've had the same thing happen on "future news". So what else is going to happen Mr. Crystal Ball? Why did this slot lease fall apart?


User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3147 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
I've had the same thing happen on "future news". So what else is going to happen Mr. Crystal Ball? Why did this slot lease fall apart?

I don't have the answer to that question. Sorry!


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6479 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Ironically, Alabama loses BHM on US and HSV on DL in the whole deal.

For HSV, the amount of service to the DC area had reached overkill. You had US and DL flying DCA-HSV, UA flying IAD-HSV and just recently added FL flying HSV-BWI. You might score this as a small victory for FL whose BWI-HSV service may have helped knock DL off DCA-HSV.

Interestingly, BHM (a far larger market than HSV) only has service to BWI....no IAD or DCA. Of course, HSV has a disproportionately high volume of defense contractor traffic which helps.


25 deltal1011man : Also DL leased 24(IIRC) slots to US and I believe Delta is also getting these back now.
26 drerx7 : When is UA going to increase or upgauge at IAH? The flights are always oversold and transfer heavy. Supposedly they are moving to terminal c aug 16.
27 Post contains images deltal1011man : Well in 2012 they will get a hub in IAH.......
28 smoot4208 : I dont think so, I believe those are longterm-leased. DL obviously will not be leasing them the additional 10. Howver the majority comes from slots t
29 Post contains images enilria : I don't think BHM is bigger in revenue, but probably on passengers. Also, is it really all defense contractors or are you lumping NASA into that cate
30 smoot4208 : I believe that the FAA/DOT said that there was nothing stopping the airlines from leasing DCA slots. Some clause I believe that allows for the FAA/DO
31 enilria : The reasons are more deep than that, but I don't understand in the interim why DL wouldn't simply lease the slots to US unless they were prevented. I
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