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A380 To MIA?  
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8512 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8603 times:
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At the End of Concourse J there are 2 jetways wrapped in white plastic attached to teh terminal already, the type used to wrap boats when transported. The 2 jetways are part of 3 jetways for an A380. Does any one know if Lufthansa has an October surprise for Miami ? Miami-Dade probably wouldn't build the gates unless something was going to use them. Air France ? Any info would be helpful.

[Edited 2010-07-27 18:41:16]

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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3359 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

I don't know, but I would strongly suggest editing the title of your post to include a question mark, it is very misleading.

  

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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8452 times:

At one point it was reported that AF and/or LH would be scheduling the A380 to MIA.

But I think that was before the recession hit, so it may be a few more years before we see one.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

December 16th is the date I'm hearing, but that comes from friends at MIA, not from Lufthansa. The recession has not changed Lufthansa's plans whatsoever. What is changing it is A380 delivery schedules. I'm not even sure LH will have enough 380s by December to serve MIA/NRT/JNB/PEK.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 8113 times:

I'd expect to see BA and VS A380 metal in MIA in due course. AF and LH will get there first and I certainly wouldnt bet against EK either.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8512 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 7793 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
I'd expect to see BA and VS A380 metal in MIA in due course. AF and LH will get there first and I certainly wouldnt bet against EK either.

Hey it could be Emirates, they were recently hiring in Miami and they would certainly fly from concourse J. AF & LH could, LH sooner then AF. VS hasn't even finalized their A380 order, so when SRB crosses that bridge we will know. BA will not get their first A380 until 2012 and MIA will NOT be first among their destinations.


User currently offlineMD11Bob From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

It is definiately for LH, there was some sort of contract between LH and the airport stating that MIA would do the building if the airline would commit to fly the A380 there. I´m not sure about the timing though.

User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

Why do they refit two gates for two-level-boarding?
I know of J-17, and I believe J-15 to be the second. http://www.miami-airport.com/terminal_gates.asp

If the only prospect flight was LH's daily FRA-MIA (462/463), why would they need two A380 gates?


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

Quoting tim171080 (Reply 7):
If the only prospect flight was LH's daily FRA-MIA (462/463), why would they need two A380 gates?

To be ready in case another operator comes along and wants fly A380s there? I'm guessing the incremental additional cost of refitting a second gate (compared with the overall cost of refitting just one gate) was not very much, and MIA decided it would be a worthwhile investment for the future.

Besides, an A380-ready gate is not an A380-only gate, you can also connect two jetbridges to other widebody types.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
BA will not get their first A380 until 2012 and MIA will NOT be first among their destinations.

I don't think any North American destination currently served by multiple 744's will have to wait too long to see a BA A380 once they start being delivered. (Apart from JFK which we all know is about frequency)



 



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
BA will not get their first A380 until 2012 and MIA will NOT be first among their destinations.

I dont think it would be first but a city that gets LHR-MIA service twice daily 744s has to be in the running.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
Hey it could be Emirates, they were recently hiring in Miami

Emirates was not hiring in Miami, they were just looking for employees all over the country and Miami being a major city and a huge aviation town was just one of their stops. I dont think EK would send a A380 to MIA anyway I see MIA more of a 777 city for EK.

LU will fly the A380 to Miami within a year I think, thats who the gate is built for.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10008 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 5):
BA will not get their first A380 until 2012 and MIA will NOT be first among their destinations.

I dont think it would be first but a city that gets LHR-MIA service twice daily 744s has to be in the running.

I think frequency is more important for the MIA route, so I don't expect BA to change that to twice daily A380 service (probably too much capacity) or a single daily A380 flight combined with a smaller aircraft for the second flight (maybe the 772) might not be the best match for this market. I can see BA replace their two daily 744 flights with two daily 77W flights to better match this market. Just my thoughts.

A388


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8512 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 7128 times:
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 9):
I don't think any North American destination currently served by multiple 744's will have to wait too long to see a BA A380 once they start being delivered

Many BA cities in teh USA get 2 or more 744 or 777 daily, LAX, SFO, BOS, IAD, ORD, EWR, JFK, SEA, MIA and IAH. The first BA A380 will probably go to JFK, JNB or HKG. LAX will probably see it early since BA sometimes has 3 flights daily to LAX.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
The first BA A380 will probably go to JFK

By the time BA get their first A380 they will have hourly flights with AA between LHR and JFK. There's no need to put an A380 on JFK because it defeats the object of the exercise.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10008 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 13):
There's no need to put an A380 on JFK because it defeats the object of the exercise.

Indeed the A380 might not be the aircraft you want to use on a frequency intensive route such as LHR-JFK but at the same time if JFK becomes overcrowded (if it hasn't already), than the only way to increase service to this market is by increasing capacity on existing flights. In that case the A380 fits perfectly.

A388


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 13):
Quoting A388 (Reply 14):

Also I would imagine the A380 for BA when they do get them will have their best premimum product which of course for a route like JFK-LHR is a big plus and the type of route that has a lot of First class passenger demand.



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Thread starter):
Air France ? Any info would be helpful.

NO WAY !

Ryanair will offer free hot meals on all its flights before AF will fly the A380 to MIA


User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1605 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
NO WAY !

Ryanair will offer free hot meals on all its flights before AF will fly the A380 to MIA

Then replacement of 744 with the 77W to MIA soon?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Quoting varig md-11 (Reply 17):
Then replacement of 744 with the 77W to MIA soon?

AF will start to receive brand new B77W wth the new Config. ( 42J / 24W / 315Y ) in January 2011. The first aircraft will replace the B744 on CDG-SGN.
No date yet for the B77W to MIA but probably in 2011 or 2012.


User currently offlinegener8tion From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

There is no existing contract between LH and MIA for the A380. It was talked of but later dropped.

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting tim171080 (Reply 7):
If the only prospect flight was LH's daily FRA-MIA (462/463), why would they need two A380 gates?

The OP didn't say 2 gates. He said 2 jetways, part of a 3jetway [gate]. in other words, a single gate with 3 jetways  
I thought it was widely known by now that this A380 gate was for LH who committed to serve MIA with the A380 before any money was invested in the upgrade. Initially this service was supposed to start this Fall. I don't know if that's still the case but it shouldn't be too long now for sure.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
I'm not even sure LH will have enough 380s by December to serve MIA/NRT/JNB/PEK.

They may not go daily to all destinations at first.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 15):
Also I would imagine the A380 for BA when they do get them will have their best premimum product which of course for a route like JFK-LHR is a big plus and the type of route that has a lot of First class passenger demand.

I understand what you're getting at but on a 7 hour / 6 hour flight do you really need that level of comfort and will people be willing to pay more for it compared to an upgraded 'regular' First class ? I'm not sure the A380 was designed for relatively short high frequency routes. Feels like sacrilege !



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User currently offlinevarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1605 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
AF will start to receive brand new B77W wth the new Config. ( 42J / 24W / 315Y ) in January 2011. The first aircraft will replace the B744 on CDG-SGN.
No date yet for the B77W to MIA but probably in 2011 or 2012.

Merci!
I forgot about these deliveries of AF new config 77W: that's perfect replacement for MIA flight indeed
The A380 is too premium for MIA I guess



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User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
The OP didn't say 2 gates. He said 2 jetways, part of a 3jetway [gate]. in other words, a single gate with 3 jetways

Yes that's what I thought first when I read the OT. But J-17 already has 2 jetways in tis current form, to enable 2 door boarding for LH463. Used it many times:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...674&spn=0.000753,0.001725&t=h&z=19

Therefore I thought 2 new jetways means 2*(2+1). Can the OP please elaborate, where exactly the new jetways were installed?


User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1027 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
NO WAY !

Ryanair will offer free hot meals on all its flights before AF will fly the A380 to MIA

I agree that AF sending an A380 to Miami is unlikely, but if there's one thing I have learned about the world of aviation, it's that you should never say never.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 21):
I understand what you're getting at but on a 7 hour / 6 hour flight do you really need that level of comfort and will people be willing to pay more for it compared to an upgraded 'regular' First class ? I'm not sure the A380 was designed for relatively short high frequency routes. Feels like sacrilege !

The A380 was designed primarily with slot-controlled airports in mind. BA and AA hold a lot of slots between them at both LHR and JFK, but there are certain peak flights which could certainly fill an A380. Frequency is much appreciated by customers on this route, but just because we're approaching hourly frequencies on the route does not mean that there aren't some flights that are more popular than others.

Additionally, don't forget that SQ is flying their A380s to HKG and NRT, both of which aren't all that far from Singapore.

As always, an aircraft will be sent where it can make money (or otherwise serve a purpose for the airline as with AF's CDG-LHR-CDG A380 rotations).



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25 jfk777 : The frequency between LHR and JFK is primarily from LHR to JFK since a flight can leave any hour of the day. To LHR with the exception of a few morni
26 Post contains images mikey72 : The A380 was designed primarily with EK in mind. I'm not sure they want to fill an A380 on LHR/JFK. The reasoning behind the idea of a 'shuttle like'
27 MAH4546 : No, its not. It is just Air France can't hack it in the Miami market, while the others can.
28 jfk777 : Miami as a destination is different things to different countries. Italians, British and Germans love the sun, some like teh fashion aspect, and the
29 miaintl : Two questions. Does anyone know when LH will update their summer schedule for 2011? Also relating to EK, have they shown any real interest in serving
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