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Airblue A321 Crashes In Islamabad On Flight From Karachi  
User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58511 times:

BBC:

Plane crashes in Pakistan capital on flight from Turkey
Reports are coming in that a plane has crashed in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.
Initial information suggests it was flying from Turkey to Islamabad via Karachi with an estimated 150 people on board.
Pakistani television is showing images of smoke arising from a hillside in poor weather conditions.
A huge rescue effort has been launched. Details are still emerging.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10784971


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58549 times:

Oh my goodness. Well it does in fact seem like these terrible events happen in 3s. As this is the first report, it may be days before we get a reliable source. All we can do is hope and pray for all souls on board.


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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58464 times:

what the....???? I just woke up for work and I see this.......


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineccarter757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58435 times:

Apparently an Airblue flight with 146 pax and 6 crew, details still emerging. . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38441455/



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User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58412 times:

Just hit CNN Breaking News. Bad weather and a hill side are bad news. I hope the amount of casualties is low to none.


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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58253 times:

Quoting LH648 (Thread starter):
Plane Crashes In Islamabad On Flight From Turkey

Absolutely terrible. What more can I say?



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User currently offlinezainmax From Pakistan, joined Jul 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58138 times:

It missed the approach first , while climbing out of Islamabad for making another circuit , it hit the Margalla Hills covered in clouds. 152 Passengers on board including the crew.


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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58123 times:

PIA300 was A310. This flight have "Call 114" on Islamabad airport arrivals.


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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58038 times:

Oh goodness. May everyone survive. Airblue ? Some of their fleet is serviced by UL. Anybody know exact routing ?


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User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 58026 times:

it is said to be air blue....not pia? any one have more info?


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlinezainmax From Pakistan, joined Jul 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 57954 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 9):
Anybody know exact routing ?

The flight is generated from MAN via Trabzon to ISB and terminates in KHI.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57944 times:

PK762 was a scheduled flight that was to arrive from IST at about 0320 local time of Wednesday. Would that be the flight in question? Current local time is about 1100.

User currently offlinepilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57859 times:

TO my knowledge the Air Blue ive seen in turkey have been a319/a320 or A321 equipment....


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57862 times:

Quoting pilotaydin (Reply 10):
it is said to be air blue....not pia? any one have more info?

Flight was codeshared as ABQ-202. A believe ABQ is Air Blue...

I don't know who was operating the flight.



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57888 times:

More reports keep saying Airblue. Including Pakistan-based news.

Wikipedia has their fleet at 5 combined A319 & A321.

152 aboard, smoke and flames reported. Doesn't look good, but hope for the best  


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1575 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57719 times:

Now reporting karachi to Islamabad, ED 202?

[Edited 2010-07-27 23:09:02]


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User currently offlineccarter757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57749 times:

Images coming in on CNN not looking to optimistic, but lets hope for the best  

Now reported as an Airblue A320 . . .

[Edited 2010-07-27 23:09:24]


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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57600 times:
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Norwegian media quoting BBC says it is an Airblue flight and not PIA, but details is still emerging.

It seems the plane went down in a hillside in bad weather conditions.

Keeping my fingers crossed.



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User currently offlineLeeds19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57601 times:

Only Flight of Air Blue I can find is ED221 which is the MAN-ISB flight which fuel stops in Trabzon I believe on way to ISB.

User currently offlinezainmax From Pakistan, joined Jul 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57566 times:



Quoting zainmax (Reply 19):
Aircraft AP-BJB A320.

Sorry aircraft is A321-321
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Airbl.../&sid=902d0582dfb08fa2e28f761a05e9



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57333 times:

Airblue flies A321s from MAN-ISB, with a fuel stop in Turkey. One of the, or THE, longest A321 routes.
Pakistani TV/BBC image



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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57203 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHI1kdQZFI&feature=player_embedded

Survivors reported!



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57071 times:

Goodness gracious ! There are no scheduled AirBlue arrivals at ISB in morning today ! There has been PK762 310 from IST, due at 0320 delayed to 0850 - status unknown.


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User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57579 times:

Report/video in English: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-10784971

I truly hope that the reports are correct re: survivors. The site looks very bad; seems like a steep mountain/hill.



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User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 57453 times:

PK300 have status "now expected", ED221 have status "confirmed in Islamabad", ED202 - "call 114"


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25 Post contains links LTC8K6 : http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...SS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100728/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan Coup
26 KFlyer : Many sources reporting ED202. Airblue website shows departed ontime. Are there any public ACARS recording stations in Pakistan ? Reports surface sayin
27 LTC8K6 : 114 is PIA flight inquiry, iirc.
28 Post contains links Leeds19 : Only the 2 Airblue flights Sched Into ISB this am as per the attached achedules page. ED202 KHI-ISB ED221 MAN-ISB http://www.airblue.com/sched/view.as
29 zainmax : PK-300 has diverted to LHE due to bad weather. PK didn't go for landing attempt.
30 Post contains links and images RAFVC10 : Terrible notice. My condolences with all the families who had lost any beloved person in this crash. Airblue is flying actually a pair of Airbus A319'
31 KFlyer : Reports state it was 319 and had 159 onboard. Is this figure correct for an 319 ? Then must be 144pax+15crew. Could it be ? Airblue operates 319s with
32 zainmax : No it is A321.
33 328JET : What a sad start of the week for civil aviation! First LH Cargo, now Air Blue. I hope we will see many, many surviving pax!!! Normally accidents happe
34 KFlyer : Then rule out A321 AP-BJA, which had operated ED228. Pakistani reporter at scene explaining how he accidentally stepped on the flesh of passenger. Why
35 Post contains links anshuk : Pictures: http://www.ndtv.com/news/photos/album-details.php?albumPage=1&id=7817 Apparently 45 survivors as of now. 8 bodies recovered. http://www.
36 stasisLAX : CNN International is now reporting that the Pakinstani CAA is reporting 146 pax and 6 crew are supposedly onboard the Airblue flight. Perez George, of
37 viasa : I hope there were some survivors. But it doesnt looks good. btw: it could be the end of Airblue. They have orderes 10 A320s, the first aircraft is sti
38 76er : If this really happens to be an A321, isn't this the first crash of the subtype?
39 mrskyguy : Terrible news. My heart goes out to those affected, and I too hope for many survivors. I must admit, photos do not look promising. Mod Edit: Removed u
40 Saleem : Presently 5 survivors confirmed, from another report around 45 survivors Regards
41 airbuseric : A Transasia Airways A321 (B-22603) was w/o after colliding with a groud vehicle back in 2003 at TNN. It was damaged beyond repair and all people onbo
42 KFlyer : It has to be an A321 since AirBlue A319 seats only 144. And it apparently is either AP-BJB or BRJ, since BJA had been on a MAN flight.
43 airkas1 : Zainmax already posted the registration and subtype while you all were still speculating. He comes across like someone who is sure of his case, so wh
44 zainmax : I work for PIA and I have inquired from the operations at ISB airport.
45 airkas1 : See, there we go, I'd say very credible info right here. Thanks Zain! So in conclusion: A321, AP-BJB.
46 PanHAM : Radio news said the aircraft was circling and flew into a mountain near ISB. How is CFIT possible these days? Should be a thing of the past and can on
47 Navigator : Looks like another CFIT accident.
48 Post contains images airkas1 : What is CFIT?
49 joekuboj : controlled flight into terrain
50 Navigator : Controlled Flight Into Terrain. It is when fully functional and controllable airplanes are flown into terrain due to pilot disorientation or perhaps
51 TheSonntag : Controlled Flight into Terrain. Means there was nothing wrong with the airplane, but crew got disoriented. One of the biggest causes for accidents in
52 Post contains images airkas1 : Ok, thanks for the swift answer
53 SASDC8 : Which imho points to crew error of some sort. CFIT in a modern AC like the 321 really should not happen. RIP to all the victims and my deepest sympat
54 Post contains links B738FlyUIA : One CEO didn't manage to board the plane: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapc...e.crash/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 EDIT: Decided not to take that
55 Post contains links Navigator : Airbus A320/321 planes have been involved in a number of CFIT accidents. Two that come to mind are Gulf Air´s A320 in Bahrain in 2000 that made a Go
56 Post contains links ZakHH : I photographed this aircraft in Manchester, a mere 3 weeks ago: http://www.gebenus.com/?p=660 I still remember how I was happy about having added a ne
57 pilotaydin : Well yes and no...the fact that the aircraft is "modern" does not make it less likely for such an accident to occur. Russian aircraft are not as mode
58 Post contains links LH648 : List of passengers released: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...03-passenger-list-of-abq-202-ss-03
59 KFlyer : It had been powered by V2500s. LH M11 D-ALCQ, second owner, taken up in 2004. ED 321 AP-BJB, second owner, taken up in 2004. Poisson effect ?
60 Navigator : To be fair to Airbus I think it should be mentioned that CFIT could happen to any type and is not at all related to Airbus designs only. This type of
61 ivo : It was an Armavia A320 EK-32009. Crashed in sea 03 may 2006 at Sochi, Russia. Ivo
62 tom355uk : So have Boeing 737's. I don't think that this sort of statement helps matters to be honest. I know you probably think i'm intentionally picking on yo
63 oa260 : RIP all involved , sorry to hear that there were apparantly no survivors. RIP
64 Navigator : I do not think you are picking on me! I agree, thats why I have made a further note in a later post even before I saw this written by you. So here we
65 offloaded : RIP to the victims, and condolences to the families. I flew ED from KHI to ISB a few years ago and it was a great flight. Excellent crew, full meal se
66 76er : IMHO there is a distinct difference between CFIT and loss of control, which applies to virtually all accidents mentioned above..
67 UALWN : The 321 at Khartoum was most definitely neither a CFIT nor an accident. The crew aborted two attempted landings without following the right procedure
68 SamuP : Correct me if I'm wrong. Is this the second A321 write-off following the Transasia (GE) A321 involved in a ground accident in Taiwan in 2003. Rest In
69 nclmedic : The BBC has reported 6 crew members - even the easyJet A321's I've flown have at least 5 cabin crew and by all reports this was a full flight - what i
70 AirIndia : Question - Answer - Verdict - You are correct
71 Woof : Not sure I'm with you here. Of course there is a distinct different between CFIT and loss of control. One specificically mentions controlled flight,
72 Navigator : Well perhaps you are right, it can be discussed of course but those accidents are often mentioned as CFIT accidents. But I agree with you that they l
73 Navigator : From what I heard it is generally a minimum of one CA per 50 passengers.
74 Post contains links and images KFlyer : The aircraft had been leased from ILFC. RIP to all who perished. It is said that the area is known as The Red Zone, having Pakistani Army and Navy HQs
75 RJ111 : Damn, 2 in 2 days. Hopefully there's a good number of survivors.
76 zainmax : No it is basically near the Diplomatic Enclave and Prime Minister House and President's house. So thats why some area is no fly area, rest helicopter
77 Burkhard : So sad to hear, and this I'm afraid has a worse outcome than yesterdays. With 146 pax, an A321 is anything but full. 4 cabin crew are normal unless yo
78 KFlyer : @zainmax Does it mean it is no fly area or not ?
79 zainmax : No aircraft can fly in that area. Entry restricted
80 Post contains links Breiz : Statement from Airbus: http://www.airbus.com/crisis/index.html
81 Post contains links KFlyer : @zainmax Does it mean this aircraft had already been in a restricted airspace when it crashed ? According to Airbus, the aircraft had accumulated abou
82 Navigator : The number of cabin crew, where a minimum of one per 50 passengers is a requirement, is also regulated by the number of and positions of emergency ex
83 epten : Well, it is certainly not half-empty, since 321 carries 185 pax in typical configuration.
84 76er : With all due respect, one could hardly call the PF of the Flash, Gulf Air and Kenya Airways flights 'in control'. They crashed due to a self-induced
85 Post contains images B738FlyUIA : + Premier Jet Crash At Oshkosh (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4879556/)
86 Navigator : I agree with you. But for some reasons those flights have previously been mentioned as CFIT related in safety discussions. But in a later post I ment
87 Post contains images emrecan : RIP for all the pax and crew Please change the name of the topic, the flight was not from Trabzon, Turkey..
88 tom355uk : Does anybody have an approach chart handy for Runway 12 ILS/DME? Interesting to see what the missed approach procedure is, and the relevant MSA for th
89 SXI899 : There aren't any IFR approaches for RWY12 at OPRN. Only ILS/DME, VOR/DME, VOR, and NDB approaches for RWY30. MSA in the northeast quadrant from the V
90 TuRbUleNc3 : If so it would make the reg AP-BJA but its already been reported the reg of aircraft was AP-BJB. Think you have got your wires crossed.[Edited 2010-0
91 Post contains images aerdingus : Very very tragic, condolonces to those affected.
92 Post contains images tom355uk : Argh! I meant 30 as the wind was from the NE, don't know why I didn't pick up on it! Looking at the maps of the area, they appear to have made a RIGH
93 Post contains links flyingbird : http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/ap-bja/ http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/ap-bjb/ http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/ap-brj/ It must have been AP-
94 trystero : My condolences to those affected. About an hour ago I heard on the radio that there was about twenty casualties. Didn't understand if they were talkin
95 Bralo20 : According to the statement from Airbus it was AP-BJB which crashed.
96 Post contains links ImperialEagle : Here is a link to this mornings New York Times. Tragic accident. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/world/asia/29pstan.html?hp
97 Post contains links avek00 : ISLAMABAD – A passenger jet crashed into the hills surrounding Pakistan's capital amid poor weather Wednesday, killing all 152 people on board and b
98 A380900 : All right but the tower could have told them about their mistake. Especially if they entered a zone where flying is forbidden.
99 MEA-707 : I understand the crashed aircraft didn't come from Manchester and Turkey but was doing a pure domestic flight.
100 speedbird19 : Flight confirmed as ABQ202 from KHI-ISB with airframe AP-BJB, the title of this topic needs correcting.
101 Post contains images solnabo : . It was a domestic flight as MEA-707 wrote, KHI-ISB Very sad
102 mjabbasi : I was reading accounts of this crash on the CNN website and was horrified at the comments some people were posting. Absolutely horrible. They're turni
103 Post contains links fpetrutiu : MSNBC not reporting no survivors. RIP to all victims of the accident. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38441455/
104 bahadir : I am sad to see the news yesterday about LH and today the Air Blue accident.. May the souls of the people lost rest in peace.. On the other hand, peop
105 RJ111 : That's quite a big death toll. Larger than a lot of widebody crashes sadly. Ranked 65th of all time.
106 aviator23 : Hello everyone this is my first contribution on any forum on this website, have been reading comments with great interest...although i may not be as i
107 aviator23 : Secondly...i was reading interesting insertions regarding the A vs B factor in the tragedy...I think airbus in general and the 320 family a/c are pret
108 Breiz : Then a warm welcome is in order. Even in such dire circonstances.
109 QatarA340 : Very sad news! This is the first ever A321 crash right?
110 comorin : A eyewitness snippet from The Guardian: Saqlain Altaf, who heard the crash, told ARY he had been on a family outing in the hills when he saw the plane
111 Post contains images soon7x7 : No offense to you but what amazes me even more is how people are "amazed" at all the misinformation after plane crashes from both the press and indiv
112 tharanga : I'd be careful trying to read too much into the eyewitness accounts. They often turn out to be confused. Also, once there was a crash, I think people
113 Post contains images Woof : welcome to my rather short respected members list.
114 Post contains images comorin : Yes, you are quite right. It's still frustrating that in the 21st century we have these types of accidents.
115 spacecadet : It's like that on almost every news site about almost every story. Think about it - why would you even need to comment on a news story? It's differen
116 777way : Atleast one foreigner onboard it seems, a doctor with an eastern European sounding name, there were also five children and two infants only one inden
117 Post contains links and images Scotland1979 : The latest photo of AP-BJB (last month) View Large View MediumPhoto © Richard Vandervord
118 AR385 : Unfortunately, it has been confirmed that there are no survivors. From the pictures, it seems like a fairly high speed impact. The degree of destructi
119 777way : That photo looks like ISB on a post rainfall clear day. Place is just like ISB on a clean, post rain day complete with Margalla hills in background.
120 EBGARN : First, very welcome as a contributor to the forum! I was hoping someone familiar with the A32x could shed some light over how LG deployed affect the
121 SamuP : @AR385. AA 757 crash was on arrival to Cali, Colombia. The spoilers were indeed extended, but the deviation towards the mountains occurred as the pilo
122 777way : He was a dual German-Austrian national, also two US citizens possibly of Pakistani origin were onboard.[Edited 2010-07-28 07:32:27]
123 Airportugal310 : I don't know much about these complex systems on modern day transports, but my first instinct would be that if LG is down and there is high power (wh
124 TuRbUleNc3 : Which is what i was pointing out to the other poster about him having his wires crossed as the MAN flight was AP-BJA and the crashed airframe was BJB
125 frmrCapCadet : I suspect this is the sort of eye witness reports which are useful. He is describing what he saw, not giving a pseudo-technical speculation. Which do
126 AT : By the way I noticed that there is no reference to this whatsoever on the Airblue website (www.airblue.com) Anyone else find that odd?
127 tharanga : The initial media reports were just what that poster was saying. It just shows how much confusion there is when something first happens, and the medi
128 spartanmjf : They had a splash page earlier - this has been changed to a box under the primary website information: "Airblue, with great sadness, announces the lo
129 zainmax : Welcome to the forum Aviator23 ! What else did your father observe at the time when aircraft flew into the clouds ? If it's altitude was 3000ft appro
130 tom355uk : According to some sources on the 'other' forum, the crew may have been attempting a circle to land (breaking right) maneuver on RWY 12. It would appea
131 spacecadet : It sounds like pseudo-technical speculation to me. You tell me what it means for a plane to "lose balance". That's not physically possible - airliner
132 Aesma : Interesting. I was wondering how a CFIT was still possible, I remember a little video with an A320 over the French alps, the pilot directed the plane
133 hugoandres1984 : Sad somebody has charts from this location. MEA, MORA, MOCA, MSA
134 Post contains links tom355uk : OPRN ILS DME RWY 30 Chart. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/bluemax-1/Plates/OPRN-9.jpg
135 sandroZRH : Was that a movie, by any chance? There is no such thing as an "Automatic Ground Proximity Avoidance System" or whatever you would call such a system.
136 YULWinterSkies : These coincidences about multiple crashes in very short intervals of time are just chilling. RIP to all onboard. Hopefully we will soon know the cause
137 Post contains links Daysleeper : I think he is refering to Bruce Dickinson "flying heavy metal" - He attempts to stall an A320 by going nose up to avoid mountains, stall/envolope pro
138 Navigator : Persons that are not used to seeing planes in different phases of flight and not educated in how airplanes normally function can come up with the mos
139 AR385 : Sorry about mixing up Cali with Medellín, it was early in the morning when I wrote my post. I do understand there are multiple reasons for a crash,
140 Womack17 : Damn - first word that came to my mind RIP to those souls on-board
141 Post contains images sandroZRH : ah I see, fair enough But that doesn't have anything to do with terrain avoidance. These are flight envelope protections, ase you correctly pointed o
142 Aesma : Yeah that's it. I have a terrible memory, it was the French Pyrénées, and he did pull up. So, without input, it would have crashed, I guess.
143 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I once flew ED KHI-DXB. Their service was excellent. I was in Margalla Hills just last year....its such a beautiful place.....rolling hills/mountains,
144 Post contains images B747forever : Really sad news to wake up to. Have not been a good week for aviation.
145 777way : Capt was a retired PIA 747 commander aged 67, some are saying his age may have affected his responses. Flight did not originate from EU. Terrorism is
146 Aesma : Look at the video, the alert is "pull up", I'm pretty sure that's the GPWS. Had he been much higher, the plane would have continued descending withou
147 mandala499 : It's more likely trying to avoid the terrain, either in a climb, turn, or climb-turn... Nothing more than that. Landing gear extended in a go-around
148 Daysleeper : It is the GPWS, but as the presenter says it's "simulated" - I assume the captain pressed a test button or similar to make the demonstration a little
149 Post contains links Viscount724 : Second A321 hull loss. First was a Transasia Airways aircraft that landed on top of a vehicle that was on the runway in Taiwan in 2003. No fatalities
150 sandroZRH : I'll say it again, it was NOT the EGPWS that pulled up the aircraft (or rather applied full thrust, as the pilot aka bruce dickinson pulled the aircr
151 zeke : I would suggest that this may be the case, however circling should be briefed before the approach is commenced.
152 Ltbewr : A sorry tragedy, RIP to the victims. Has their been any details of the weather at the time and place of this crash? Most reports suggest low clouds, h
153 Post contains links 777way : Crew photos http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k5...57_512566057_5218053_8262621_n.jpg and some of the passengers location of crash site as seen from a
154 Post contains links KFlyer : AP-BJB lightning incident http://avherald.com/h?article=412b8215
155 777way : Fifth air hostess was also onboard, probably off duty. The foreigners included one Somali man, besides an Austrian man and two US nationals.
156 Post contains images DocLightning : Terrible news. My thoughts and condolences.
157 scarebus03 : Hi All, The Bruce Dickinson flight was testing the stall protection. If there was no mountains the aircraft would react the same once it approaches t
158 mandala499 : Just noticed something interesting... Accident was 0445Z... The chart indicated 3600m required visibility for Cat D circling. But the METARs showed: O
159 SXI899 : I suppose that it's possible that this aircraft had a lower certified max weight which would place it in Cat C, wouldn't it? Either way, point of imp
160 Post contains links EBGARN : A major development: The Pakistani newspaper "The Express Tribune" claims they have a transcript of the ATC communication right before the crash: http
161 Post contains links and images zeke : That is not the most current chart available, the current chart was published in 2006, very little change to what you have posted. That is not hard t
162 mandala499 : Cheers for that link Zeke... The crash site is in the Margalla mountains and satellite images show the crash site is 9.66nm from the airport. I guess
163 Aesma : I already acknowledged that. This could have happened here, seeing where the crash site is. (E)GPWS alert, pilot pulls the stick and alpha prot incre
164 affirmative : This sucks! That's about it.. For all involved and many bystanders.. I thought you had to stop flying commercially by age 65 according to ICAO, FAA an
165 777way : Sorry I think he was 64, also sufferting from heaklth issues said to include uncontrollable diabetes, hypertension and something else, he was also a
166 David L : That's been the case for a long time. If there has been an increase in the percentage caused by human error, I'd look more towards improvements in ai
167 spacecadet : And yet statistically, flying is much, much safer than it used to be. I think what you are seeing is a large decrease in mechanical-related accidents
168 affirmative : Agreed, but to reiterate and quote freely "there are lies, damn lies and statistics".. If planes are getting better and the material we fly in safer
169 spacecadet : Because humans are imperfect and will always be imperfect. (So are airplanes, btw, because they are designed by humans. And even airplanes designed m
170 affirmative : Said in a very well explained and eloquent way.. And I agree still.. But, and it's a pretty big but.. The fact, from a pilot and passenger point of v
171 Post contains images mandala499 : Interestingly, in the previous weeks immediate to this accident, I have just been looking into Circle-to-land approach policies, safe practices, bad
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