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British Pm Chartering BA Rather Than VS?  
User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010.../cameron-visits-india-media-ignore

Looking at the photo, that's a BA 747 flying from Ankara to BLR, India. Surely, that's a chartered flight. What happened to the contract with VS?

[Edited 2010-07-28 00:41:56]

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User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

There was no "contract" IIRC, the government charters the best priced and most appropriate a/c available for each job.

User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Virgin Grabs BA Goverment Contract! (by Readytotaxi Aug 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)

What about this?


User currently offlineNQYGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting anshuk (Thread starter):
What happened to the contract with VS?

New government.. new contract maybe?


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 754 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

I had heard cameron had gone back to BA for the gov charters as he wanted to rid as much of the former governments image as much as possible. Plus the conservatives have never really been a branson/VS fan from the start. Not as much as Blair/Brown Labour anyways.

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting anshuk (Thread starter):
Looking at the photo, that's a BA 747 flying from Ankara to BLR, India

Just to put the record straight, it went to Bangalore, but not BLR.
G-CIVG landed at XXY Hindustan airport in Bangalore,
It's now on its way to Delhi.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 5):
Just to put the record straight, it went to Bangalore, but not BLR.

My mistake! Indeed, you are right. It landed at the HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) Airport which is the old Bangalore International Airport. I suppose it flew to Palam Air Force base in Delhi?


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 4):
I had heard cameron had gone back to BA for the gov charters as he wanted to rid as much of the former governments image as much as possible. Plus the conservatives have never really been a branson/VS fan from the start. Not as much as Blair/Brown Labour anyways.

But when he flew to Canada, he flew VS. I recall seeing a photo of him with the VS FA's. It was an A340, if I'm not wrong.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 6):
I suppose it flew to Palam Air Force base in Delhi?

No the main DEL airport, due there at 1230Z.


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 7):

But when he flew to Canada, he flew VS. I recall seeing a photo of him with the VS FA's. It was an A340, if I'm not wrong.

Your right he's cheating on BA    with VS   Its like a soap opera!!!. Or Perhaps it was a one off charter or he hadn't made the decision to switch to BA at the time when someone arranged it and they just followed the precedent left by Labour. I think its cool the PM is flying BA again especially as he will be "slumming it" in Club World............poor poor David. Congrats to BA for regaining the contact.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

I imagine BA have more spare 747 capacity at the moment too...


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User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

He slummed it back from JFK in CLub on the BA182 last week as well.

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

Do we know how much this chartering is costing, versus a owned fleet of smaller BBJs ?


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User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Do we know how much this chartering is costing, versus a owned fleet of smaller BBJs ?

Oh dont start that again, its been discussed back and forth a thousand times


User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
Do we know how much this chartering is costing, versus a owned fleet of smaller BBJs

Not sure but this article says it saved the UK $300,000
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/20...lesson-for-our-politicians/?hpt=T2
and this one says
"Downing Street has abandoned its previous policy of hiring a plane for long-distance trips. This can cost between £200,000 and £300,000 and the bill for taxpayers was only partly recouped by charging the pack of journalists who travel with the PM."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-special-relationship-2030345.html

personally I would trust Downing Street since the number 300,000 pops up alot the American journalist must have made an accidental switch up
You Never know maybe over time?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Quoting antonovman (Reply 13):
Do we know how much this chartering is costing, versus a owned fleet of smaller BBJs ?

Oh dont start that again, its been discussed back and forth a thousand times

Sorry about that, can you point to a relevant thread ?

speedbird : my question was more about the long run that any particular flight.



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User currently offlinetheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6135 times:

Maybe as the PM is promoting British interests overseas, particularly in India, it perhaps looks better to arrive on a British Airways aircraft rather than a Virgin Atlantic aircraft?!?

[Edited 2010-07-28 14:08:02]

User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting anshuk (Thread starter):
What happened to the contract with VS?

I believe the contract was for a single flight. It was to take then PM Gordon Brown to the G20 Conference. If you go to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ntic-ahead-of-British-Airways.html

you will see the following:

'A Virgin Atlantic spokesman said: “We are clearly delighted that the Prime Minsiter has chosen to fly with us. We hope it will be the first of many similar trips.'

Clearly the spokeman's hope is yet to be realised.


User currently offlineweb500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

doubt the whole business class seat would actually work for POTUS, or for that matter the acela express- he has to fly form DC (white house) to NY (wall street)- that is somthing i would like to see the cost of!


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User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 18):
or for that matter the acela express- he has to fly form DC (white house) to NY (wall street)

Acela's not really an option, even if Amtrak wanted to add a special run for the President, from a security perspective running a Presidential train up the Northeast Corridor and into Penn Station would be a nightmare both in terms of protecting the Presidential train and disruption to Amtrak, NJ Transit, and SEPTA (and possibly MARC as well, I'm not that familiar with that line) due to that protection. Flying the President into EWR or JFK has to be cheaper overall.

As for the PM contract, does anyone know if there are any other set trips like the G20 that may have been contracted before the election and will still be on Virgin?

And does the new BA contract cover just the PM and Cabinet travel, or Royal travel as well? Or is Royal travel still bid on a per-trip basis? It would be sort of odd to see the PM flying BA and the Queen flying Virgin.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
Do we know how much this chartering is costing, versus a owned fleet of smaller BBJs ?

There are several threads from the last few years on this - both the PM's Office and Buckingham Palace have crunched the numbers repeatedly and every time the conclusion is that the charters, along with use of the BA 146s of 32 Sq.for shorter trips, are more cost-efficient than buying dedicated VIP transports.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 19):
As for the PM contract, does anyone know if there are any other set trips like the G20 that may have been contracted before the election and will still be on Virgin?

And does the new BA contract cover just the PM and Cabinet travel, or Royal travel as well? Or is Royal travel still bid on a per-trip basis? It would be sort of odd to see the PM flying BA and the Queen flying Virgin.


The implication from the statement by a VS spokesman in the link in Reply 13 is that each trip is subject to an individual contract. So the next trip, set or otherwise, could be on BA or on VS. (The G20 flight was clearly fixed well in advance and the spokesman is quoted as saying that he hopes the PM will fly with VS again implying that the contract was for that single flight.)

However while this may apply to government flights it may not apply to Royal flights. BA have a Royal Suite that they fit into the first class cabin when carrying HM Queen Elizabeth and HRH Prince Philip. So I guess that this could mean the contract for flying her as the British Queen or as Head of the Commonwealth is more fixed if only because, never having carried the Queen, VS have no such suite. (BA's suite comprises two single beds, a table, four chairs and a dressing area).


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 19):
Acela's not really an option, even if Amtrak wanted to add a special run for the President, from a security perspective running a Presidential train up the Northeast Corridor and into Penn Station would be a nightmare both in terms of protecting the Presidential train and disruption to Amtrak, NJ Transit, and SEPTA (and possibly MARC as well, I'm not that familiar with that line) due to that protection.


It's been done before.



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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 20):
However while this may apply to government flights it may not apply to Royal flights. BA have a Royal Suite that they fit into the first class cabin when carrying HM Queen Elizabeth and HRH Prince Philip. So I guess that this could mean the contract for flying her as the British Queen or as Head of the Commonwealth is more fixed if only because, never having carried the Queen, VS have no such suite. (BA's suite comprises two single beds, a table, four chairs and a dressing area).

These suites are they like Cargo containers that BA put in and HM Queen Elizabeth goes down into the cargo hold by stairs like below

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Photo © Sven van der Mespel


Or do crew come in and retro fit the aircraft ahead of time?

and for the A.net proposed UK Governments Private Jet how about a leased A319 and fit it out like Privatair

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Photo © Konstantin Von Wedelstaedt


it might not be as fancy and better than other Governmental aircraft but it may be cheaper and they could always take out some seats in the back and install couches facing each other and a coffee "like" table as a form of board room. this was one of the suggestions made when it was being considered and called "BLAIR FORCE ONE" (besides the coffee table and couches



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 20):
So I guess that this could mean the contract for flying her as the British Queen or as Head of the Commonwealth is more fixed if only because, never having carried the Queen, VS have no such suite.

Nothing against VS but I really don't think the Virgin Atlantic brand/image is compatible with her majesty and 'the firm' ! Mind you SRB can be quite persuasive with his freebies to Necker Island so in years to come (when William and Kate fancy a week in the sun) who knows ?

  



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User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting vv701 (Reply 20):

Seeing as Di and SRB were such firm friends I don't think we'll be seeing the Queen travelling on VS for quite some time!


25 brenintw : From memory, they fit in the First Class cabin and completely replace the seats. There's also a wardrobe that replaces a few rows of seats in Economy
26 Post contains images speedbird9 : WOW no that really is the "Royal treatment" ........thanks i'll be here all week.Many Thanks to brenintw and vv701. no wonder HM The Queen enjoys tra
27 BA174 : Our PM always seems to be on the train if going to a domestic destination or France/Brussels. I am sure using BA again might have something to do wit
28 bastew : I carried the Queen on a tour a couple years ago. It was on a converted 767. The whole front cabin had the Club seats removed and it became a bedroom.
29 NYC2THEWORLD : Technically he was not President then. More importantly, he was not Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States then either. Its not
30 anshuk : Well, the initial question isn't clear. We still don't know what happened to that VS contract. And judging by the long thread I posted a link to earli
31 Aesma : Can't Marine One do that short trip ? BTW I just read on wikipedia that the Marine One fleet alone needs 800 staff and that decoy helos are used. Tha
32 Cadet57 : He was on his way to the inauguration. He had secret service protection then as well. Not really a big difference. So? Considering his communications
33 vv701 : From the comments of the VS spokesman at the time - see Reply 17 - it is reasonably clear that the contract between VS and the British Government was
34 anshuk : Thank you for that, Cheers
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