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TAM Firms Airbus Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 36
Posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7707 times:

Quote:
TAM Airlines, Airbus’ biggest customer in the Southern Hemisphere and Brazil’s largest airline, signed a firm order for 25 eco-efficient Airbus aircraft, bringing the Brazilian airline’s total Airbus order book to 176. This order for 20 A320 Family and five A350-900s follows the Memorandum of Understanding announced at ILA Berlin Air Show in June.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ews[backPid]=1683&cHash=8518d7ee2f

Backlog is now:

- 65 A32X
- 2 A330-200
- 27 A350XWB

Somehow I guess we´ll see a top-up of the A330-200 order rather soon, or at least some activity on the used and leasing market.


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

So was this the anticipated order discussed?
20-30 A/C Order For Airbus From The US? (by sydaircargo Jul 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Amerika can also mean the continent of North and South America as well in German, after all...



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7591 times:

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1):
So was this the anticipated order discussed?
20-30 A/C Order For Airbus From The US? (by sydaircargo Jul 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)

who knows but the wa Enders talked i still expect a new order from somewhere not just firming an order after a MoU
was singed just weeks ago.


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7018 times:

This should leave Airbus with 289 new firm orders YTD 2010, right?
(131 before Farnborough + 133 at Farnborough + 25 from TAM.)

With 107 new MoU's (I don't count 15 350 for HK) at Farnborough to be firmed up, Airbus is already very close to the over 400 orders that they set as new target for FY 2010.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Somehow I guess we´ll see a top-up of the A330-200 order rather soon, or at least some activity on the used and leasing market.


I was thinking the same, but after looking at TAMs fleetprojection, it appears like they will slow down their WB fleet growth over coming years.
After the next two A332s, we wont see TAMs Airbus WB fleet grow until A350 arrives.
6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.

http://tam.riweb.com.br/default.aspx

[Edited 2010-07-28 21:58:56]


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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

TAM and Airbus. It seems this firm order will keep TAM as the biggest player in Latin America.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3):
6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.

Maybe we could expact TAM making another Boeing order?

Rgs,


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 4):
Maybe we could expact TAM making another Boeing order?

Will they perhaps have a need for something bigger again still?



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 5):
Will they perhaps have a need for something bigger again still?

I think expanding the B77Ws order could be feasible and I would not be personally surprised. The B77Ws have been a perfect match for TAM especially because of slot limitations in GRU I see TAM going for bigger planes.

Rgs,


User currently offlinecaljn From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4993 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Quote:
TAM Airlines, Airbus’ biggest customer in the Southern Hemisphere and Brazil’s largest airline, signed a firm order for 25 eco-efficient Airbus aircraft

What in the world does "eco-efficient" mean?
I suspect they are appealing to those who object to depletion of the planet's resources, but it is flagrantly dishonest.  


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
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Quoting caljn (Reply 7):

Well, they all do it, and even a Ford Excursion could be called Eco-Efficient if it lowered it's fuel consumption by 5% compared to it's predecessor, making it "The most environmentally friendly Excursion ever"

And this quote comes from Boeing regarding the 787 Dreamliner:
"exceptional environmental performance" as it uses 20% less fuel in comparison to similar sized aircraft (IL-96? MD-11?)
Aviation and Environment are 2 words that should never be combined, it will never be environmentally friendly to fly, at least not until a true viable biofuel can be used.

But nice order for Airbus nevertheless, bad choice of words or not  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Just like Boeing calling the 787 "green" (chief pilot at Farnborough).

This confirms what I think about memorandums of understanding, letters of intent et al, it's a way to announce the same order several times.



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User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4626 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 4):
Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3):
6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.

Maybe we could expact TAM making another Boeing order?

Just checked on Boeing´s website, TAM has ordered a total of 8 B77W. 4 of them were already delivered (PT-MUA/MUB/MUC/MUD).

Is this information correct?

Rgds,

Jmbarros12



Go Boeing!
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 10):
Is this information correct?

No, TAM has ordered 10 77W. The problem is that TAM has already revealed the ninth and tenth frames, but Boeing still lists them as unidentified.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 10):
Just checked on Boeing´s website, TAM has ordered a total of 8 B77W. 4 of them were already delivered (PT-MUA/MUB/MUC/MUD).

Is this information correct?
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
No, TAM has ordered 10 77W. The problem is that TAM has already revealed the ninth and tenth frames, but Boeing still lists them as unidentified.

Another 6 B77Ws will be delivered. I would not be surprised of TAM expanding this order. Anyone has the time-line of delivery of the 6 remaining frames?

Rgs,


User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11):
No, TAM has ordered 10 77W. The problem is that TAM has already revealed the ninth and tenth frames, but Boeing still lists them as unidentified.

Thanks for the update!



Go Boeing!
User currently offlinejmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 12):
I would not be surprised of TAM expanding this order

I hope it does. Imagine a 15 to 20 B77W fleet in JJ colours... That will be sweet!!



Go Boeing!
User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 14):
Imagine a 15 to 20 B77W fleet in JJ colours... That will be sweet!!

But I cannot imagine 10 B77W arriving in the morning in GRU let alone 15 or 20...  

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3711 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 15):
But I cannot imagine 10 B77W arriving in the morning in GRU let alone 15 or 20...

Well, technically, only 5 will arrive since JJ always runs double red-eye flights with them. 5 77W for 5 destinations in Europe.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
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Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3):
I was thinking the same, but after looking at TAMs fleetprojection, it appears like they will slow down their WB fleet growth over coming years.
After the next two A332s, we wont see TAMs Airbus WB fleet grow until A350 arrives.
6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
Well, technically, only 5 will arrive since JJ always runs double red-eye flights with them. 5 77W for 5 destinations in Europe.

2 of them will replace the 2 A345 they have, so in fact, only 4 new frames plus the 2 A332 during the next 3 years, two per year. It's too little ? Yes, that's my opinion. Brazil can handle 4 to 6 every year, and we still don't know how they will add LAD !
MEX, YYZ, LAD, MXP, FRA, LHR, JFK, MIA, MCO, IAH, BOG, just to list some destinations where the WB's coud fly from GIG or GRU, or additional flights from BSB or Northeast.

Plus, it seems the 763 could have shorter life than we imagine.
I think they are negotiating some additional A332 order or even to add the 772 to the fleet.



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17):
2 of them will replace the 2 A345 they have, so in fact, only 4 new frames plus the 2 A332 during the next 3 years, two per year. It's too little ? Yes, that's my opinion. Brazil can handle 4 to 6 every year, and we still don't know how they will add LAD !

Lipe, they could also decide to keep the A345s, the same way they kep the B767s. I am sure TAM must be planning something else, possible lease of aircraft could be an alternative.

Rgs,


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 18):
I am sure TAM must be planning something else, possible lease of aircraft could be an alternative.



This what TAM actually are planning to do.
As the future is unknown, their plans can of course change if needed.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/uf/55248/middle/phpSUa5Z6.gif



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2951 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 19):
This what TAM actually are planning to do.
As the future is unknown, their plans can of course change if needed.

Unfortunately they do not split up the Airbus WB fleet.


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 20):
Unfortunately they do not split up the Airbus WB fleet.
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
- 27 A350XWB

Also the A350 is scheduled to be delivered from 2013 onwards and they are not part of the official fleet plan as above yet. we could expect TAM to receive the first A350 in 2013.

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-08-02 06:48:30]

User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 6):
especially because of slot limitations in GRU I see TAM going for bigger planes

A380s or 748i's on the horizon?


User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Here is the situation after the confirmation / convertion into firm order -

TAM's total Airbus orders have increased to:

134 A320 Family aircraft,
15 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB.

Still in backlog

60 Airbus A320 Family aircraft,
2 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB

We now need to wait a probable new order of Boeing aircraft, I am sure TAM will supplement its B77W fleet further boosting its orders in the coming months.

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-08-02 08:23:30]

User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

TAM remains the biggest player in the continent, both by measuring fleet size and total pax.

Firm order:

134 A320 Family aircraft,
15 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB.

Still in backlog

60 Airbus A320 Family aircraft,
2 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB

This makes TAM Airbus total orders:

A320 = 190
A330 = 17
A350 = 54

Above only refers to Airbus.

The A380 is certainly a possibility in future in my opinion. There is a A380 picture in TAM CEO office...

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-08-02 08:53:04]

25 motorhussy : What are the likely new long-haul routes for JJ with the new A350 fleet arriving? Possibly - LAX, IAH, YYZ, KIX, AKL/SYD, JNB, MAD, LIS?
26 hardiwv : MAD is served daily GRU-MAD A332 in 3 class configuration. In my opinion: From GRU - GRU-YYZ; GRU-MEX; GRU-LAX; GRU-BRU; GRU-ZRH; GRU-MUC; GRU-JNB; G
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