Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6756 times:
Quote: TAM Airlines, Airbus’ biggest customer in the Southern Hemisphere and Brazil’s largest airline, signed a firm order for 25 eco-efficient Airbus aircraft, bringing the Brazilian airline’s total Airbus order book to 176. This order for 20 A320 Family and five A350-900s follows the Memorandum of Understanding announced at ILA Berlin Air Show in June.
sydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6640 times:
Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1): So was this the anticipated order discussed?
20-30 A/C Order For Airbus From The US? (by sydaircargo Jul 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)
who knows but the wa Enders talked i still expect a new order from somewhere not just firming an order after a MoU
was singed just weeks ago.
Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
This should leave Airbus with 289 new firm orders YTD 2010, right? (131 before Farnborough + 133 at Farnborough + 25 from TAM.)
With 107 new MoU's (I don't count 15 350 for HK) at Farnborough to be firmed up, Airbus is already very close to the over 400 orders that they set as new target for FY 2010.
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter): Somehow I guess we´ll see a top-up of the A330-200 order rather soon, or at least some activity on the used and leasing market.
I was thinking the same, but after looking at TAMs fleetprojection, it appears like they will slow down their WB fleet growth over coming years. After the next two A332s, we wont see TAMs Airbus WB fleet grow until A350 arrives. 6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.
hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 5): Will they perhaps have a need for something bigger again still?
I think expanding the B77Ws order could be feasible and I would not be personally surprised. The B77Ws have been a perfect match for TAM especially because of slot limitations in GRU I see TAM going for bigger planes.
caljn From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4042 times:
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter): Quote:
TAM Airlines, Airbus’ biggest customer in the Southern Hemisphere and Brazil’s largest airline, signed a firm order for 25 eco-efficient Airbus aircraft
What in the world does "eco-efficient" mean?
I suspect they are appealing to those who object to depletion of the planet's resources, but it is flagrantly dishonest.
Well, they all do it, and even a Ford Excursion could be called Eco-Efficient if it lowered it's fuel consumption by 5% compared to it's predecessor, making it "The most environmentally friendly Excursion ever"
And this quote comes from Boeing regarding the 787 Dreamliner:
"exceptional environmental performance" as it uses 20% less fuel in comparison to similar sized aircraft (IL-96? MD-11?)
Aviation and Environment are 2 words that should never be combined, it will never be environmentally friendly to fly, at least not until a true viable biofuel can be used.
But nice order for Airbus nevertheless, bad choice of words or not
7D, 17-40 F4 L, 70-200 F2.8 L IS, EF 1.4x II, EF 2x III, Metz 58-AF1
hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3018 times:
Quoting jmbarros12 (Reply 10): Just checked on Boeing´s website, TAM has ordered a total of 8 B77W. 4 of them were already delivered (PT-MUA/MUB/MUC/MUD).
Is this information correct?
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11): No, TAM has ordered 10 77W. The problem is that TAM has already revealed the ninth and tenth frames, but Boeing still lists them as unidentified.
Another 6 B77Ws will be delivered. I would not be surprised of TAM expanding this order. Anyone has the time-line of delivery of the 6 remaining frames?
jmbarros12 From Brazil, joined Nov 2007, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 11): No, TAM has ordered 10 77W. The problem is that TAM has already revealed the ninth and tenth frames, but Boeing still lists them as unidentified.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11200 posts, RR: 61 Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
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Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 3): I was thinking the same, but after looking at TAMs fleetprojection, it appears like they will slow down their WB fleet growth over coming years.
After the next two A332s, we wont see TAMs Airbus WB fleet grow until A350 arrives.
6 more 77W to be delivered 2012-13.
Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16): Well, technically, only 5 will arrive since JJ always runs double red-eye flights with them. 5 77W for 5 destinations in Europe.
2 of them will replace the 2 A345 they have, so in fact, only 4 new frames plus the 2 A332 during the next 3 years, two per year. It's too little ? Yes, that's my opinion. Brazil can handle 4 to 6 every year, and we still don't know how they will add LAD !
MEX, YYZ, LAD, MXP, FRA, LHR, JFK, MIA, MCO, IAH, BOG, just to list some destinations where the WB's coud fly from GIG or GRU, or additional flights from BSB or Northeast.
Plus, it seems the 763 could have shorter life than we imagine.
I think they are negotiating some additional A332 order or even to add the 772 to the fleet.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 17): 2 of them will replace the 2 A345 they have, so in fact, only 4 new frames plus the 2 A332 during the next 3 years, two per year. It's too little ? Yes, that's my opinion. Brazil can handle 4 to 6 every year, and we still don't know how they will add LAD !
Lipe, they could also decide to keep the A345s, the same way they kep the B767s. I am sure TAM must be planning something else, possible lease of aircraft could be an alternative.
Also the A350 is scheduled to be delivered from 2013 onwards and they are not part of the official fleet plan as above yet. we could expect TAM to receive the first A350 in 2013.
hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1820 times:
Here is the situation after the confirmation / convertion into firm order -
TAM's total Airbus orders have increased to:
134 A320 Family aircraft,
15 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB.
Still in backlog
60 Airbus A320 Family aircraft,
2 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB
We now need to wait a probable new order of Boeing aircraft, I am sure TAM will supplement its B77W fleet further boosting its orders in the coming months.
hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1740 times:
TAM remains the biggest player in the continent, both by measuring fleet size and total pax.
Firm order:
134 A320 Family aircraft,
15 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB.
Still in backlog
60 Airbus A320 Family aircraft,
2 A330-200s and
27 A350 XWB
This makes TAM Airbus total orders:
A320 = 190
A330 = 17
A350 = 54
Above only refers to Airbus.
The A380 is certainly a possibility in future in my opinion. There is a A380 picture in TAM CEO office...
Rgs,
[Edited 2010-08-02 08:53:04]
25 motorhussy: What are the likely new long-haul routes for JJ with the new A350 fleet arriving? Possibly - LAX, IAH, YYZ, KIX, AKL/SYD, JNB, MAD, LIS?
26 hardiwv: MAD is served daily GRU-MAD A332 in 3 class configuration. In my opinion: From GRU - GRU-YYZ; GRU-MEX; GRU-LAX; GRU-BRU; GRU-ZRH; GRU-MUC; GRU-JNB; G
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