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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 27151 times:

It seems that the old thread is closed because the lack of posts within a number of days
( http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...407&s=swiss+aviation+thread+23#131 )
Let's start a new one:

Here a link to a nice video from a SWISS A 333 with the Patroullie Suisse at the Emmen 2010 Airshow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS6VVEUe_CM

[Edited 2010-07-28 08:53:23]

[Edited 2010-07-28 09:01:04]

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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 27062 times:

Thanks ZRH for starting the new thread!

SWISS has now already 2 A340's with the new Business Class, when will the next one be upgraded?


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 27005 times:

I also have a question to the A 340. Why does SWISS use the 340 to BOS instead of the 333? It is a relative short route. Does anyone know? Is it because they don't have enough 333 but more 343?

User currently offlineCX288 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 26951 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 2):
I also have a question to the A 340. Why does SWISS use the 340 to BOS instead of the 333? It is a relative short route. Does anyone know? Is it because they don't have enough 333 but more 343?



ZRH-SFO-ZRH and ZRH-BOS-ZRH can be operated with two 340 frames over a 48 hour period. Such scheduling increases aircraft productivity compared to having one 333 dedicated to the ZRH-BOS-ZRH rotation.

Boston was switched to 343 when Shanghai was opened and the aircraft were routed ZRH-PVG-ZRH-BOS-ZRH in a 48 hours circle. Now PVG got replaced by SFO allowing to offer the new business product on every flight to San Fran while only two 340 are equipped with the new seats.


User currently offlinesandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 26948 times:

So, apparently, LX is to get 4 new A320s, one in fall 2010, the rest in early/mid 2011. From what I heard these will NOT be replacing older models. So where will they be using these aircraft to? the first will be used on the three of six GVA-LHR which currently are being operated by bmi. What about the others? increasing frequencies to current destinations, opening new destinations?

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 1):
SWISS has now already 2 A340's with the new Business Class, when will the next one be upgraded?

That does cause you sleepless nights doesnt it?  


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 26902 times:

Quoting CX288 (Reply 3):

Quoting ZRH (Reply 2):
I also have a question to the A 340. Why does SWISS use the 340 to BOS instead of the 333? It is a relative short route. Does anyone know? Is it because they don't have enough 333 but more 343?



ZRH-SFO-ZRH and ZRH-BOS-ZRH can be operated with two 340 frames over a 48 hour period. Such scheduling increases aircraft productivity compared to having one 333 dedicated to the ZRH-BOS-ZRH rotation.

Boston was switched to 343 when Shanghai was opened and the aircraft were routed ZRH-PVG-ZRH-BOS-ZRH in a 48 hours circle. Now PVG got replaced by SFO allowing to offer the new business product on every flight to San Fran while only two 340 are equipped with the new seats.


Thanks, it sounds reasonable, I understand. Funily my parents exacly use these flights in the next few weeks: ZRH-SFO then by AS SEA-BOS then back BOS-ZRH. So they probably have a chance to get the same aircraft on the SFO and BOS leg.
Does anyone know how the AS 738 are? Service quality? (it is BOB)


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 26899 times:

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):
So, apparently, LX is to get 4 new A320s, one in fall 2010, the rest in early/mid 2011. From what I heard these will NOT be replacing older models. So where will they be using these aircraft to? the first will be used on the three of six GVA-LHR which currently are being operated by bmi. What about the others? increasing frequencies to current destinations, opening new destinations?

It is nice to see LX expanding : D . As you mentioned there are basically three options: frequency increase or new destinations or replacing some of the wetleased aircrafts.


User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 26828 times:

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):
So, apparently, LX is to get 4 new A320s, one in fall 2010, the rest in early/mid 2011. From what I heard these will NOT be replacing older models. So where will they be using these aircraft to? the first will be used on the three of six GVA-LHR which currently are being operated by bmi. What about the others? increasing frequencies to current destinations, opening new destinations?

Ahm, shouldn't you know best? Or do you want us to write down a wish list of destinations which you forward to the management   ?



Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 26802 times:

On LX' website they state that they will get one more A333 and two A320 by spring 2012.. Now, is this the A333 which was planned for WK's use or a completely new one?

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...%20Business%20Report_FINAL%20E.pdf



Good day to you sir! Please turn left, your seat is in the first row.
User currently offlineaviationmaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 26755 times:

Quote:
SWISS now intends to further expand its aircraft fleet, with the addition of one more Airbus A330-300 and two A320s. “In doing so, we are continuing our sustainable growth,” Hohmeister comments. With its new A330-300 – its tenth overall – SWISS is investing primarily in growth markets such as the USA, India and Bangkok.

SWISS will also add a tenth Airbus A330-300 to its fleet in spring 2011.

The way I understood these parts from the press release, is that the additional and tenth overall A333 is from the original order of 11 (with one A333 going to WK). Therefore it seems as if no additional A333 has been ordered.

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):
he first will be used on the three of six GVA-LHR which currently are being operated by bmi.

How is LX performing on the GVA-LHR runs?


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 26582 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 8):
On LX' website they state that they will get one more A333 and two A320 by spring 2012.. Now, is this the A333 which was planned for WK's use or a completely new one?

http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...E.pdf

And don't forget, they have already two A320-200 (one is MSN 4604) and a single A321-200 (MSN 4534) on order.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 26545 times:

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):

That does cause you sleepless nights doesnt it?

lol... yeah if I am flying on a "old" A340 business class seat yes   Hehe no no it's not so bad, however the new Business Class seats are just great.

Quoting sandroZRH (Reply 4):
So, apparently, LX is to get 4 new A320s, one in fall 2010, the rest in early/mid 2011. From what I heard these will NOT be replacing older models.

I guess SWISS is always a bit behind with their press releases as they are so far only anouncing 2. Until some time ago they also only spoke of 9 A333's although the order is definetly 11 already longer. Possibly LX will also order another one or 2 considering that the Edelweiss A333 will get the reg HB-JHQ instead of HB-JHI?


User currently offlinenyswiss From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 26499 times:

Wasn't the 10th a "growth aircraft" per Hohmeister with potentially a new destination in the Middle East ?

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 26255 times:

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 12):
Wasn't the 10th a "growth aircraft" per Hohmeister with potentially a new destination in the Middle East ?

Considering that LX currently operates 6 A333's and 3 A332's of which only 2 are used at full capacity the 10th A333's could be used as a growth aircraft. However LX anounced frequency increases as of next summer so we might only see that but no additional destinations for the time being.


User currently offlineknightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 25999 times:

Hi all!

I'm traveling with LH on Thursday from BSL to FRA and then further on from there. In any case, I received an e-mail reminder from LH and it says that the flight from BSL to FRA is operated by Adria Airways. Is this new, is it an exception or simply a mistake?

Thanks for your help.


User currently offlineinfodesk From Switzerland, joined May 2006, 1466 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 25932 times:

Quoting knightsofmalta (Reply 14):
Is this new, is it an exception or simply a mistake?

According to the system, flight LH3811 will be operated by Adria. It's a new thing, starting this Thursday and seems set to continue for the next couple of weeks at least



"Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end" - Edward Whymper
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25780 times:

From SWISS on Facebook:

Quote:
Swiss International Air Lines: Hong Kong is the next destination which will be served with a refurbished A340. The new Business Class featuring the innovative lie-flat seat will be introduced on 14 October, initially with 3 weekly frequencies and then daily from 24 October.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2128 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25717 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 16):

thanks for the info ZRH


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25709 times:

While we are at it, does anyone know if AF and LX eye any substantial change for the Winter Timetable on their code-shared GVA-CDG line?

High-speed rail competition will indeed get tougher on Paris-Geneva from 12th December.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 25656 times:

Also, LH is adding a fifth daily flight on the BSL to FRA route effective winter schedule (all flights with CRJ-700).


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 25520 times:

Here you find a short report by the pilots of the first SWISS flight to SFO:
http://www.facebook.com/notes/swiss-...a-sunshine-sfo-6/10150221091300725


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 25425 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
High-speed rail competition will indeed get tougher on Paris-Geneva from 12th December.

I doubt it will have much impact. The new schedule only saves about 12 to 15 minutes, although they originally promised a saving of about 30 minutes.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 25412 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
Quoting SR4ever (Reply 18):
High-speed rail competition will indeed get tougher on Paris-Geneva from 12th December.

I doubt it will have much impact. The new schedule only saves about 12 to 15 minutes, although they originally promised a saving of about 30 minutes.

12-15mins less, yet with 3hrs05min end-to-end at best. Originally it was hoped 20mins off, and 3hrs sharp at best.

CDG is not so suitable to shorthaul point-to-point passengers, and those 15min saved may already make a difference, especially as other improvements are (almost) there.


Done recently:
- Revamping of the (pay) at-seat-catering in 1st class (Elvetino)
- Complimentary newspapers in 1st class
- Complimentary welcome drink in 1st class
- Removal of pre-boarding immigration controls in Geneva, meaning that one can now get at the station until the very last minute with no risk of missing one's train to Paris.

From December 12:
- Premier service in 1st class, with complimentary cold meal. Hot meal available for a fee (EUR 8). Complimentary newspapers and magazines, and dedicated attendants. Mixed French-Swiss crews, so as to guarantee service in French, German and English.

Lounge access is reportedly under study.

From 2012:
- refurbishment of the single-deck stock, with individual power points. Wireless internet under study.

All that may look quite appealling to those premium passengers currently flying AF/LX on CDG-GVA.
More cost-conscious customers will still benefit from shorter journey times and enjoy refurbished stock a bit later.


Late-2011, journey times on Paris-Basel will also be cut down to 3hrs, with the same Premier service as on Paris-Geneva. I wonder how AF will react at BSL. EZY scrapped its 2 daily flights CDG-BSL shortly after rail journey times on Paris-Basel had been cut from 5hrs down to 3hrs30min in 2007.

[Edited 2010-08-05 18:03:02]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 25361 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 22):
Late-2011, journey times on Paris-Basel will also be cut down to 3hrs, with the same Premier service as on Paris-Geneva. I wonder how AF will react at BSL. EZY scrapped its 2 daily flights CDG-BSL shortly after rail journey times on Paris-Basel had been cut from 5hrs down to 3hrs30min in 2007.

In these days EZY has other serious problems. They are often much too late, cancel flights and don't help stranded passengers ( there was report about it at TV SF 1 in "10 vor 10"). Even the Basel Airport Authority already complained. The speaker said in this TV report that they urgently have to discuss with EZY. So I any time prefere the TGV over EZY although I love flying.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25342 times:

AFs flights out of BSL continue to have high loads despite the TGV.

They still fly 6x a day to Orly and 4x a day to CDG. Instead of A-319/329 they use the smaller Fokker100 and Embraer-170/190.

They have lost point-to-point passengers to/from Paris but the connecting passengers are still there. You can reach many destinations via Orly where the train is no option.

AF also compensates the lost passengers with the BSL-AMS flights that they have started last year.



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25 ZRH : Thanks for the information. They therefore only lost the Switzerland-Paris travellers. Let's then really hope that EZY achieves better punctuality ag
26 RJ100 : Let's hope they will improve. Last week they had a good punctuality (at least out of BSL) but today again the LGW flight is delayed 4 hours. That mean
27 SR4ever : In view of this, how likely will EZY suffer on GVA-ORY from the enhanced rail offer? True, TGV improvements will primarily target 1st class, but all
28 dalce : With what interval do the 320-series get a new paintjob at LX. Yesterday I flew HB-IOK, an A321, and its paintjob is long overdue, almost all bolts se
29 RJ100 : Like you said, AF will lose most of the BSL/MLH/SXB to Paris passengers. My point was that the flights now already have a majority of transfer pax. T
30 SR4ever : On PAR-SXB, the process has already started, and within 6 yrs, rail journey times on Paris-Strasburg will be cut by 30min, down to 1hr50min. The Cham
31 RJ100 : I don't know how much pax are point-to-point on MLH-ORY. On a recent flight I and my wife were however almost the only ones exiting in Paris. For me i
32 SR4ever : At best yes, and might be worse when those further 10mins are saved on the rails round 2015. Maybe to cater for Ski traffic?
33 LXA340 : officially LX has 2 A320's on order but as with the 10th and 11th A333 (11th going to Edelweiss Air) it was known for a long time however first confi
34 Post contains links ZRH : For all who are interested in numbers and statistics: on the ZRH page you find a PDF document about anything of ZRH airport (in German): http://www.zu
35 AntonovA330 : Why did the movement numbers in 2006 go down by almost 7000 (2005: 267'363, 2006: 260'786, 2007: 268'476) and around 12'000 in 2009 compared to 2008?
36 ZRH : About the movements 2006 I can't tell (bigger aircrafts?) but 2008/2009 is because of the crises. I think about every airport in the world lost 2009
37 Post contains links ZRH : SWISS presents the July traffic figure http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...d=SMM_Facebook_TrafficFiguresJUL10 : I find the 91.2 % on long-haul flig
38 Post contains images SR4ever : Thx for the info Very much agreed. That's why I believe LX should expand its offer at a pace of 1 new longhaul destination and 1-2 shorthaul destinati
39 Post contains images Swissy : If you book early enough (like I do ), no problemo.... but have noticed lately the flights I take out of YUL are pretty full , would be nice to get t
40 ZRH : I think this won't take a long time. Soon all 332 will be phased out.
41 Post contains images aviationmaster : Unfortunately, it seems as if YUL and TLV are the two LX destinations which still have their flights see a predominant use of the old A332s. But don'
42 SR4ever : Isn't LX to retain 1-2 332s for contingencies?
43 PhilInBRN : Some news from BRN airport: Skywork Airlines have announced new routes to SXF and HAM. Flights to SXF will operate three weekly (mon, fri, sun) while
44 Humberside : Are these just for the ski season or new year round routes?
45 ZRH : I don't think so. This is too expensive. The 332 are all going back to the lessor or are sold.
46 PhilInBRN : No these two routes will be year round flights. If the two destinations perform well we will likely see an increase in frequency, provided Skywork ex
47 Post contains images SR4ever : Good news for Belp Airport then Any prospects for a rail-air service there? After, BLS runs very close to BRN...
48 PhilInBRN : As long as the demand for flights from BRN doesn't increase significantly nobody will be willing to invest in connecting the airport to the Swiss rai
49 Post contains links ZRH : I hate these NIMBYs. An Edelweiss A 320 landet a bit late in ZRH, at 23:47 because they were delayed from Faro. Now the airport neighbors on the east
50 dalce : It's the same everywhere. And probably they work at the airport or earn their money indirectly via the airport ( suppliers etc ). Ridiculous!
51 LXA340 : This is unbelivable, rather that the airline wastes thousands of francs in order that some ignorant people living in the airport area are happy!!! On
52 Post contains images glidepath73 : Really bad! I wonder what those ''nice'' neighbors (it seems they live in and around Kloten) would have done if they had been on exactly this flight?
53 ZRH : BTW, today (August 17th) I checked up the flight from YUL (LX 087). It was HB-JHA an A 333.
54 aviationmaster : I hate these f******g NIMBYs. If they want their peace and quiet, then they should move to a deserted mountain village in Valais. I also don't think i
55 LXA340 : You know what...fine should there be a very strickt night ban in ZRH, however for every flight a swiss airline needs to cancel because of that ban, a
56 Post contains images glidepath73 : Sounds very interesting! You should forward this proposal to the CEO of ZRH.
57 Post contains links LXA340 : http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/pas...ten-wegen-verdorbenem-essen-153503 according to the above article from the Swiss newspaper Blick, all the SWISS
58 ZRH : At least something positive from this article: they say 236 passengers. This means a complete fully booked 333, not one seat empty. That's amazing. N
59 Post contains images SR4ever : Agreed That's why LX would be well advised to expand its longhaul network and european feeder flights. No wonder that ZRH-NBO-DAR is soon to be upgra
60 RJ100 : Effective winter schedule, easyJet is starting 3 weekly flights between Basel an Tel Aviv. Flights are already on sale. With this link, Tel Aviv is co
61 Post contains links ZRH : SQ had to cancel their A 380 flight ZRH-SIN today (Aug 19th) because of an oil leak at one engine. The aircraft stays in ZRH, the passengers will be b
62 Post contains images swissy : Cr..., we went home on the 13. , we all flew J class... was going to post you guys something about the cr.. check in @ ZRH... We all flew J, the wife
63 330lover : Think you said enough in the 1st quote. Give them some credit please, they are still learning. You probably needed some time as well to learn your jo
64 Post contains images swissy : Sure I did , I am still learning My point is, about 4-5 people stayed around these kiosks, a girl helped us until we got stuck witch is fine by me, h
65 sr176 : Presently standing on E44, most probably leaving tonight. Nice looking in the evening sun.
66 SandroZRH : You do know that there are still dedicated J class check-in desks in check-in 1, do you? I flew J to NRT about a fourthnight ago and I just proceeded
67 SR4ever : Doesn't LX perform check-in duties for AC flights in ZRH?
68 Post contains images swissy : Hey Sandro , Sure I do ... we used check in 1 and were told to go.... you are right Sandro I should just gone by them to J were you drop of the bags..
69 knightsofmalta : LH seems to be having problems with its A380 too. I was recently in FRA and saw it leave 5 hours late.[Edited 2010-08-19 12:55:27][Edited 2010-08-19 1
70 Pilot21 : Well, every aircraft will have a bad day, but LH are not having issues. In fact LH actually put out a Press Statement shortly after their 2nd aircraf
71 aviationmaster : With the exception of US Airways and Continental, all *A carriers serving ZRH and LX are handled by Swissport. The check-in area and process depends o
72 Post contains images swissy : Thanks for the info aviationmaster , I guess I am getting old or do not fly nough out of ZRH anymore... I believe these machines have their place/use,
73 Post contains images aviationmaster : Some news from LX's facebook page regarding YUL and the A333: Don't worry, as ZRH has been a construction site for the past 15 years, things are alway
74 Post contains images swissy : Sounds about right... I left (16 years) the good old CH (ZRH) everything was oki doki Sounds good... still working on the wife as I am planing being
75 ManuCH : There's something I don't understand about the A340 on ZRH-SFO: once I read that LX has now refurbished the Business cabin on both A340's doing that r
76 330lover : I suppose you answered your own question. They have now at least 2 refurbished 340's operating between ZRH and SFO/BOS daily. let's imagine a 340 fro
77 ZRH : I think this was only bad luck. Usually the JMJ and JMK with the new business do this flights in alternation with BOS. My parents recently flew ZRH-S
78 Post contains images 330lover : Thought the same. Great minds think alike
79 Post contains images ManuCH : So my assumptions were right. Thank you. Now I owe my parents a dinner ... for some reason, if LX screws up, it always seems to be my fault
80 SR4ever : Any chance that LX orders a few more 333s, so as to replace 343s in use on CAI, BOS and MIA?
81 ZRH : I don't think so. Why should they? The 343 are not very old.
82 Post contains images dalce : I could see LH/LX order some more widebodies for LX, but not for replacing the 340's. If they order more, it will be for expansion. For example ZRH-BO
83 SR4ever : Agreed, but such distances, 333s would be more fuel-efficient. New F accommodation would also be available. A great pity that 343s will not be fitted
84 vegas005 : what happened with the Helvitic flight yesterday BHX-ZRH? There was an Airbus substitute and the Fokker 100 was parked away from the gate. Saw the fli
85 PhilInBRN : I saw a Helvetic Fokker 100 yesterday around 3pm with its nose radar cover opened sitting on one of its usual stands north of Dock A. I just landed wi
86 Post contains images SandroZRH : I've long been wondering why LX doesn't use more A32Xs for overnight flights (a la SKG) to the Middle East and North Africa, similiar to what LH does.
87 Post contains images swissy : SR used to fly ZRH-YUL-YYZ with the MD11.... did work, sure things have changed however flying via the US to ZRH?? no thank you , get some more "AC h
88 PhilInBRN : After returning from ORD back to Switzerland on LH through MUC I'm wondering about the cooperation of Lufthansa and Swiss concerning gates shared or h
89 SR4ever : That could be an idea, but the curfew at ZRH may be a hurdle on shorter night routes. CMN and TUN would deserve daytime flights. Night flights operat
90 tffip : How many of them in all? Folks at BMI are gossiping about 5 A330s coming in 2011, the latest rumor that they are from LX. (Rumor will be superceded b
91 ZRH : I have to admit that I am not sure anymore but I think SWISS had 13 A 332? Probably someone else knows it better. I don't think that some aircrafts g
92 HAM : For those interested in flying the MD90, there's a chance to fly one in January: Hello does a farewell-flight on the occasion of their fleet renewal.
93 LXA340 : I have noticed that LX currently seems to be saving up on cycles on the A340, HB-JMN, with 2 more A333's to be delivered of which one is for capacity
94 RJ100 : According to the Sunday press, Swiss is thinking about replacing the Avros in Basel with Airbus aircraft to be able to compete better with easyJet. I
95 Post contains images sandroZRH : hmm, where do they wanna get these aircraft and crews from? they don't even have enough aircraft to serve their whole route network as it is. They'd
96 RJ100 : Just speculating but maybe bmi will again cooperate with LX. Or even takes over the London route.
97 knightsofmalta : Actually LX is currently looking into resuming the BSL-LHR route, although so far no decision has been taken as to whether this would be a route they
98 SR4ever : Agreed. But more 319s and less AR1s operated by LX at BSL may boost commonality, and enhance the image of LX, even on those routes where EZY doesn't
99 runway23 : There was also mention in last week's travelinside about LX wanting to further expand GVA. Is this just more hot air like in the past where LX promise
100 ZRH : This sounds interesting but I am asking myself if a medium sized long-haul airline really can afford to run three airports in such a small country? Wo
101 knightsofmalta : Well first of all I think LX serves two very different markets from BSL and ZRH that comlement each other. Setting up an independent entity with an o
102 RJ100 : One of the problems for Swiss is that BSL has become a national (and not only regional) airport in the last years. Just have a look in the parking are
103 Humberside : That plan would unlikely would work on BSL-BRU/LCY or GVA-LCY/LHR/DME. So either LX would have to give up these important markets, or still maintain
104 ZRH : I agree with most of that but I am not sure if SWISS is able to serve both markets: to feed the long-haul flights and to compete with the LCC in the
105 LXA340 : Even without the LCC market if I remember correctly the Crossair operations were not profitable at the end, especially their "eurocross" hub that the
106 runway23 : Unfortunately, Swiss/Swissair/Crossair lost the markets in BSL and GVA over time. Almost all of the markets they served in the past have been taken o
107 SR4ever : BSL and GVA have good large and whealthy catchment areas, and LX would shoot itself in the foot if they abandoned point-to-point European flights at t
108 Viscount724 : Do you really think LX mainline A320-family pilots would agree to that? I doubt it. GVA is also close to full and will never be able to increase capa
109 RJ100 : Why should someone take a train to ZRH if they have direct flights from BSL? It's exactly what I wanted to say. If Swiss does not have its own flight
110 runway23 : But at that time SR and LX did not focus on one hub. Remember BSL was a major European hub with Eurocross. In a sense, GVA was only taken off triangu
111 SR4ever : Agreed. And on those routes where LX can code-share with a Star Alliance partner airline, commercial risks become even more manageable. From BSL, I t
112 dalce : BSL-AMS has been cut since May this year. We had 1 daily rotation with AR1, but LX choose to open HAM and shut AMS instead. Both AMS-BSL and AMS-GVA a
113 UALWN : I fly BCN-GVA from time to time, and there seems to be a decent amount of business traffic. I have even used GVA as a connecting point, flying BCN-GV
114 Post contains images SR4ever : Very True. But the conditions which made BSL a hub for the old LX are no longer met: - SR and LX were rivals, both on personal and regional grounds.
115 RJ100 : True, without the train station the airport has a disadvantage. But I count 8 busses an hour (less during some times). The Amsterdam route is a good
116 SR4ever : 8 hourly bus services isn't bad at all, but it often means standing on board for 15min, and walking to a connecting train at Basel SBB. Travelling to
117 knightsofmalta : Perhaps I haven't understood you correctly, but I think as far as the BSL-AMS route is concerned, the issue is not frequency but simply that there is
118 SR4ever : Not so easy indeed, but with 3 daily flights, LX could gain momentum both back from AF/KL (WX) and EZY. AF serve 3 destinations only from MLH/BSL (OR
119 Viscount724 : But they also charge less than CHF300 round trip on many flights. The problem is that most of those other carriers are likely to be LCCs and LX's cos
120 Arzenal : I'm flying on Bellinzona in 1hr from ORD to ZRH. Come on smooth flight! Looks like a nice bird though.
121 Post contains links amigocharlie : Ever wanted to visit Airbus? Kuoni Travel is organising a day trip to Toulouse. Travel date is the 27th November 2010. Flight will be with LX (RJ100)
122 ZRH : Thanks for this info. I am really thinking about booking.
123 SR4ever : It can happen yes. But I still wonder how long EZY will be able to sustain such low fares at BSL. FR charged more or less the same rates, and could h
124 viasa : That's sounds very cool, but it is too expensive.
125 Humberside : LX already fly MAN-BSL year round, and in winter they also have a weekly MAN-GVA
126 SR4ever : MAN-BSL is indeed operated all year-round, but on a 4-weekly basis. MAN-GVA is just 2-weekly Ski line. Almost nonexistent, compared to the 2-3 daily
127 Post contains links ka : LX to receive 5 more A333, 2 A321 and 2 A320 from 2012 on! http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oves-groups-48-aircraft-order.html Great news... KA.
128 HECA : Wow, fantastic! Which routes will be opened with these new aircraft? Will be particularly interesting to see how LX develops its longhaul network eve
129 ZRH : What a surprise. What do these 5 A 333 mean? Growth of the long-haul fleet to 30 frames, replacement of some 343 or a mixture?
130 Post contains images SR4ever : Just great news Let's hope the 5 333s will at least replace the 343s on YUL, BOS and MIA, and the 738 on EWR. The 343s could then be cascaded somewher
131 Post contains images glidepath73 : Lovely... might we ever see an LX A330 going to LHR or MUC as early morning flights have been in the 90ies with SR? Sure there will be some nice re-o
132 LXA340 : The ex Air Canada and Austrian Airlines A343's are over 10 years old, however given that they are receiving the 2nd seat upgrade, at least in Busines
133 SR4ever : Sounds very credible indeed. It would enhance capacity, product consistency and connections with CO. I don't believe the 738 will fly on ZRH-DXB, it
134 LXA340 : In case LX decides to continue using the BBJ a seat upgrade will be very necesary + a instalation of a proper AVOD IFE system.
135 nyswiss : Great News !!! Sandro or any other of you with an inside view, can you spill the beans....?
136 SR4ever : . That's indeed an almost absolute requirement. The new J seats of LX may however pre-empt a bit too much room in a narrow-body aircraft, but flatbed
137 Post contains links ZRH : For those who can read German, an article in the Neue Zürcher Zeitung about the new Airbus aircrafts: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/wirtsc...auf_neue
138 nyswiss : So after the good news regarding long-distance, would you think it would be an option for LX to align with Baboo (which has ordered 10 E190's), thereb
139 LXA340 : SWISS has ordered the Bombardier C series which will replace all the Avro aircraft from 2014 onwards! Acording to the article LX will add probably 2
140 Post contains images SR4ever : Thanks, really interesting It could, depending on the price to be paid to get F7. If AF wants F7, then LX may make a counter-offer, but there is a ri
141 Post contains links ZRH : An aviation expert predicts for the SWISS long-haul fleet up to 50 frames: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wirtscha...0-Maschinen-steigen/story/11926936 (
142 Post contains images aviationmaster : Did anyone read the Leser-Kommentare of one of the readers at the bottom? Some people need to be slapped. Funny how 10 years ago these experts were p
143 Post contains images SR4ever : Thanks a lot. Quite visionary, but really nice to read. 50 longhaul frames would be substantially above the 36 of SR in 2001. In the end it would mea
144 ZRH : You are right. I try to post an answer to this silly statement of Fred Büchi. I hope they bring it, I have to wait till the news paper people decide
145 runway23 : Apparently Swiss will have a press conference this afternoon in Geneva and will announce an extra aircraft being based. No news if this is to replace
146 Post contains links PhilInBRN : Hello will soon take delivery of their first A320. It is currently in maintenance at Manila Airport: http://www.hello.ch/index.php?eID=tx...5=2db71cba
147 Post contains images SR4ever : Good news Possibly, but perhaps LX should wait until it operates a bit more flights there. Currently, LX flies with its own metal on 8 European desti
148 Post contains links and images SR4ever : Other good news: Swiss is to enhance its catering in Economy class, both on European and Intercontinental flights See http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/abou
149 runway23 : I'm not sure whether this is good news. It doesn't mention what will happen on longer flights eg. IST, ATH, etc... Are they condemned to the same san
150 Post contains images aviationmaster : Just witnessed a nice sight about 30 minutes ago, when I saw four F-18s flying by in formation on my way home on the highway to Bülach.
151 Post contains images AntonovA330 : Must have had to do with the army exercise "Aeroporto 2010", which (I think) finished today. Maybe it was also just a "welcome home and drive safely"
152 dens : Swiss just announced a new route from Geneva. As of December 17th, Madrid will be linked from GVA twice a day. I saw an interview from Swiss CEO on T
153 runway23 : Swiss will add an extra Airbus A320 (bringing the number of based aircraft up to 8) in Geneva from December 17th and fly two daily flights to Madrid a
154 PhilInBRN : So 1 million out of 11 million total annual passengers at GVA equals for a 30% market share?! Nice sign to see LX go head to head with two very estab
155 LXA340 : That "expert" stated that SWISS wi Generally the goal for SWISS needs to be to strenghten their hub at ZRH, however if they add once in a while a eur
156 dens : GVA airport sees more and more transit passengers (altough it's not a hub). This is due to the fact that Star Alliance is expanding well in GVA (UA a
157 runway23 : LX has been pretty aggressive with new routes from GVA recently. LHR, BUD, PRG, IST were all launched against at least two other airlines. GVA-IST fa
158 SR4ever : Very, very good news. Especially as Spain still suffers from the GFC, and as IB and U2 are already there. Agreed. ORY would make more sense than CDG
159 Viscount724 : I can't recall SQ serving GVA. When was that?
160 Post contains images SR4ever : Something like mid-80s to the mid-90s. Or perhaps I am confusing with BRU... Hard to remember, really [Edited 2010-09-29 15:56:16]
161 Post contains links and images SR4ever : A320 See here (in French only, English version not available): http://www.gva.ch/en/DesktopDefault....d-11/2_read-8055/usetemplate-news/ Here you can
162 RJ100 : Vim Airlines starts a weekly flight Moscow to Basel as per January 2 until the end of winter season. NN867/NN868 operates on Saturdays, later on Sunda
163 Viscount724 : I am almost certain SQ has never served GVA.
164 Post contains images SR4ever : It was BRU, sorry Now is there a chance SQ may send a 789 to GVA?
165 Post contains links AntonovA330 : And this is how the "new" sandwiches look like: http://imnews.touristikpresse.net/30...neuheiten-in-der-Economy-Class.jpg Appetizing look, much more
166 Post contains images SR4ever : Thanks, it looks good. Interestingly, LX is upgrading its catering in shorthaul Y, while BA, AF and LH (to a lesser extend) have conversely gone for
167 LXA340 : I want call it upgrading, it's more like bringing back the quality standards to the short haul economy product of the last days of SR and early stage
168 sandroZRH : They have probably been designed(I really can't think of a better word) by a local bakery a la "a taste of switzerland", or they are made by a large
169 SR4ever : Yes, it seems that day after day, the Old SR is further reviving through the New LX, making the Phoenix concept more meaningful than ever. This being
170 LXA340 : SWISS presents itself as a premium airline and with the low cost competition LX should not go into the low cost segment as this is the difference bet
171 Viscount724 : Much too complicated for short flights. And LX don't want to repeat their big mistake of a few years ago when they went to buy-on- board catering in
172 Post contains images SR4ever : Even with less frills in Y-, such product would remain superior to that of U2/EZS: - operations to/from central airports. While U2/EZS operates on mo
173 aviationmaster : While a Y+ concept is indeed an interesting one, I don't think LX needs to jump on that bandwagon, since at the moment they've proven to be just as co
174 LXA340 : The ideas are very nice...but as we are in the world of cost cutting, the concept would be at the end to complicated and too costly. It's really so u
175 PhilInBRN : There will soon be a centralized security checkpoint which will certainly be more customer friendly than the ceckpoints today that are spread out with
176 ZRH : Regarding security it is about to happen. They are building a central security building where you go through before entering the Airside-Center.
177 Post contains images aviationmaster : IMO, when the Airside-Center and Gates E area were designed, more weight was put into trying to make them look aesthetically pleasing instead of func
178 ZRH : Only transit pax from Schengen to Schengen won't have a security check. But pax from non-Schengen countries of course still will have (this is compul
179 Viscount724 : It still complicates service and adds costs. LX's current Y class service is all anyone expects on short flights. I highly doubt that LX is losing tr
180 Post contains links PhilInBRN : Brief article on flight about Sky Work Airlines expansion plans. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...k-cseries-ideal-for-expansion.html In the long
181 SR4ever : Sounds impressive indeed Any chance we may seen BRN-LUG (FCO?) flying again? or something like LUG-BRN-LCY, BRN-BSL-BER? AF is doing really well on B
182 Post contains images UALWN : I tried it last week-end on GVA-BCN. Bread was so hard it was basically inedible. It may have been an accident...
183 PhilInBRN : These routes were operated for some time by Darwin Airlines but without much success. The tag-on flight BRN-LUG had very very light loads. A double d
184 SR4ever : Sorry, I don't see where the increased costs would be. In Y-, the costs base would even be lower, and the service there would be simpler than nowaday
185 Post contains images SR4ever : Crossair would also fly LUG-BRN-CDG in the past. How did this line work 10 yrs ago? LUG-BRN is an endless, very inconvenient journey by train. Couldn
186 UALWN : It's amazing, isn't it? I remember when back in 1998 (I think) Easyjet started operating for the first time outside of the UK with GVA-BCN. What a we
187 Someone83 : Increased complexivity is a killer for low cost. It's much better for LX to keep it simple, then to drag in several confusing concepts
188 mozart : If I may just comment on two topics: The Bern-Lugano flights. That route is actually not commercially sustainable. It existed thanks to a federal subs
189 Post contains images SR4ever : It is, really. The worsening railway services on BCN-CH must have also switched some custom up in the air. The weird thing was also the complimentary
190 LXA340 : This will solve or at least reduce the lines for security checks, however what will happen with Passport control, this will not be at the security bu
191 Viscount724 : You're overlooking the revenue management and inventory control issues. If you want what is basically 3 classes of service on aircraft as small as th
192 UALWN : You're right! On the first day or two U2's flights operated as private flights, for free, although passengers (I mean guests) were encouraged to dona
193 sandroZRH : I don't want to stirr the pot, but company gossip has it that LX might be looking at acquiring A340-600s. Latest I heard is that these would be ex-SA
194 ZRH : This is really an interesting rumor. If it became true, how many frames du you think would it be? My guess is up to four. They don't need a big fleet
195 Post contains images 328JET : I heard about the A346 as well, but without a source of the aircrafts. Rumours say 4-5 aircraft to free up some A343s which would go to SN Brussels. I
196 Post contains images SR4ever : SN makes it on its AR8/AR1, and SK on its CR9. Well, everytime I flew LX AR1 in C in the past months, - the curtain was closed - there was a cold tra
197 Post contains images SR4ever : Very interesting news. Again, one further sign that SR is more and more reviving through LX If SN is to (re) start BOS, NYC, IAD, ORD and to serve IA
198 Post contains images aviationmaster : Hey, we're always open for a good rumor. What LX destinations do you all see the A346 being sent to, if acquired? Aren't these the models that were i
199 Post contains images SR4ever : Yes, there are That would be an interesting shift. And another counter-argument, little revenge against the doom-and-gloom on Swiss in its very first
200 PhilInBRN : With 4 A346 they could probably only serve 2 destinations. NRT, JNB or GRU could be possible destinations.
201 sandroZRH : Definitely HKG. those flights almost always go out (zero fuel-) weight restricted. Oh yes they could. SRT has done maintenance on a lot of VS and LH
202 Someone83 : From Swiss' Facebook status: We will be adding further capacity to selected routes in our 2010/11 winter schedules. From Zurich we will be offering ad
203 Post contains images SR4ever : So 2 daily flights on ZRH-BEG and ZRH-VLC? Quite confident, given that VLC is served by quite many budget flights Which will re-instate those routes
204 PhilInBRN : I believe daily flights will be offered next summer. What do you think could be the next new LX short/medium haul destinations from ZRH? During the n
205 Post contains images LXA340 : Do they somethimes need to leave Cargo behind? If LX will get those planes I am sure they will upgrade the seating to the A333 standards
206 SR4ever : Before starting new European destinations from ZRH, perhaps LX should increase from 3 to 4 daily flights the following routes: MAN, MAD, LUX, VCE, PR
207 Post contains images SR4ever : Hopefully yes While the F cabin is unlikely to be any bigger than the 8 suites of 333s, it will be interesting to see how the extra room is allocated
208 Viscount724 : Interestingly, OS is doing exactly the opposite. Noted a recent news item mentioning that OS will soon be removing the dedicated 2-2 configuration bu
209 Asiaflyer : Fantastic rumor, hope it becomes true!.... Would be great to see a Swiss A346. Production has not stopped, but no A346 has been delivered since the la
210 Post contains links PhilInBRN : Bad news from Baboo. Due to its high losses over the entire time of operation the company is preparing to lay off about half of its 180 employees. Cha
211 SR4ever : Sad news, really, especially as OS had spent quite much money and energy to develop their Premium Service on that network. Or perhaps LH eyes a remov
212 mozart : What a pity! I really like(d) that airline! Although they never seemed to fly to St. Tropez when I needed them.
213 LAX888 : hey there, just joined a few days ago and not sure if this was already asked once. However I was wondering if LX would consider a premium economy clas
214 Humberside : For an EDI, working more closely with bmi regional would be a start (they of course already fly EDI-ZRH)
215 Post contains links and images aviationmaster : Just found this gem on 20min.ch about how the Government wants to loosen up the nightban at ZRH. Just read some of the comments from the readers. http
216 Post contains images SR4ever : Well, I have been raising the isue of having a 3-class offer on European fights (C, Y+ and Y-), but it seems that not too many people here would buy
217 LXA340 : In the past it was Swissair and the early SWISS that have almost wiped out Swiss aviation and I hope that now as the future growth and success of Swi
218 SR4ever : Unfortunately yes. The Federal governement was reckless in the way it ignored the first genuine threats on SR existence in late-2000/early2001. A rea
219 LXA340 : So far one of the neglected ideas was the parallel runways system.
220 Post contains links glidepath73 : Check those links out. Made some drafts for a possible ZRH extention a while ago. Maybe we see that once in the future in ZRH? http://paziart73.devian
221 Post contains images SR4ever : Thx a lot Quite visionary I shall say That would indeed imply a substantial extension of the SkyMetro, so as to serve Dock F, and perhaps to extend i
222 glidepath73 : I would suggest, that by time, the Docks 'A' and 'B' would be designated for Schengen passangers only. Docks 'E' and 'F' would handle all non Shengen
223 ZRH : BTW does anybody know when the new Dock B will be opened?
224 dalce : I already would have expected them to join earlier. But somehow they want to control their borders on their own.
225 PhilInBRN : The Zurich 2010 project page says that Dock be will be operational in late 2011.
226 RJ100 : Lufthansa which has just announced to add a fifth daily flight in winter on the BSL to FRA route will add a 6th daily flight effective summer 11 sched
227 SR4ever : It would be preferable if European fights be allocated to Docks A and B, so that one can avoid the SkyMetro on such short flights. Perhaps, a small n
228 SR4ever : This is once again evidence that other carriers are filling the vacuum which Swiss has left in BSL since 2003/2004. LX 'd better take action, before
229 ZRH : Sorry, but what are 142?
230 SR4ever : BAe 146-200, sorry. Or perhaps LX could get some 319s and 320s from MX.
231 Post contains images glidepath73 : I think really the same. ZRH = Short ways for short flights........ Does anybody have a link to an official master plan for a draft showing a possibl
232 dalce : TP seems to have 2 A320's available, although they are oldish with almost 20years old, but this could give LX a short term boost already. Leasing the
233 Post contains images SR4ever : Oh yes, tell me about it Schengen-to-Schengen connections at Dock A are so smooth and quick, nothing comparable to CDG... It would still be better th
234 Post contains links glidepath73 : Really bad... (sorry in German only) http://www.aero.de/news-11252/Deutsc...eniger-Einfluege-nach-Zuerich.html I think, it is really time to start wit
235 RJ100 : There seems to be a new airline starting from St. Gallen-Altenrhein airport. The airline is called "People's Vienna line" and wants to start 3 daily f
236 RJ100 : Now it's official, Air Berlin will start BSL-TXL in February 2011 with two flights Monday to Friday and one flight on Saturday and Sunday with A-319/A
237 sandroZRH : And who is going to fly these aircraft? LX still doesn't have enough pilots as it is, and thats not going to get any better with the new GAV coming o
238 Viscount724 : Assume you are referring to the BAe-146 (not 142).
239 Post contains links glidepath73 : SWISS goes to European court regarding the overfly dispute with Germany. I think this step was a necessary move by SWISS. (Sorry link in German only)
240 SR4ever : BAe 146-200, yes.
241 dalce : This is indeed a long term 'problem' with LX.
242 SR4ever : What's GAV, if I may ask?
243 aviationmaster : Gesamtarbeitsvertrag (GAV)
244 ZRH : It is not SWISS which goes to court it is the Swiss Governement. That's an important difference. But you are right it is absolutely necessary.
245 Post contains links and images oa260 : Edelweiss Air CEO Karl Kistler unveils the newly converted Airbus A330-200 in Edelweiss colours. It will make its debut flight for Edelweiss Air on 1
246 glidepath73 : oops, sorry... mixed that up.... "Swiss" and "Swiss Government" is close, but not close enough...
247 Post contains links dalce : Let's go for a new thread, as this one grows a bit long! To be found here : Swiss Aviation Thread #25 Cheers, DALCE[Edited 2010-10-14 23:31:59]
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