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JAL DC-10/MD-11 Flights In 2000-2001  
User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Back in December of 2000 and again in December of 2001 (before I had any interest in civil aircraft), I flew from the US to Osaka, Japan. I know that my flights were on wide-body aircraft, but at the time, I didn't pay any attention to the type. Now that I'm more of an enthusiast, I'm wondering if there is any way to find out on which aircraft I flew--specifically, if I might have flown on a DC-10 or MD-11, since JAL was operating both types at the time.

Does anyone know if JAL was flying the DC-10 or MD-11 from DFW or ORD to KIX in December 2000 or 2001? Or from KIX to DFW or ORD in December 2000-2001? If I can manage to recover the flight numbers and dates, is there any way I can research my flights to find out what aircraft was used?

Thanks in advance for your help!

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if JAL was flying the DC-10 or MD-11 from DFW or ORD to KIX in December 2000 or 2001? Or from KIX to DFW or ORD in December 2000-2001?

JL did use the MD-11 to DFW in 2000 and 2001. According to the caption of the first photo below, the MD-11 replaced the 744 oh NRT-DFW-NRT on April 1, 2000. Not sure how long they used the MD-11 to DFW but the few A.net photos at DFW (3 below) are all dated 2000 and early 2001.


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If memory correct, JL's MD-11s and DC-10s were mainly used within Asia and to Europe. The DC-10s (not sure about MD-11s) were also used on quite a few Japan-Hawaii flights, but they only had limited use to the US mainland. There are a couple of JL DC-10 photos at JFK in the 1970s but nowhere else in the US except HNL.

[Edited 2010-07-28 14:50:58]

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
Not sure how long they used the MD-11 to DFW but the few A.net photos at DFW (3 below) are all dated 2000 and early 2001.

The MD-11 was the last aircraft to operate the JL NRT-DFW route. The route was axed after that and became a codeshare double daily with AA. AA was also operating DFW-KIX at the time, but it was axed due to the loss of a cargo contract.


User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if JAL was flying the DC-10 or MD-11 from DFW or ORD to KIX in December 2000 or 2001? Or from KIX to DFW or ORD in December 2000-2001? If I can manage to recover the flight numbers and dates, is there any way I can research my flights to find out what aircraft was used?

For sure JL's DC10 doesn't even have the range to make it to US.

ORD-KIX had been using 744 just like ORD-NRT.

Do you remember if you have PTV in seat ? (assume you flew in economy) If there is for sure you are not on DC10 or MD11, as none of those have PTV at all in Y, only 744 to the US do.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

KIX-DFW was never operated by JL AFAIK.

UAL


User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

A quick check and I still had JL's timetable back in Dec 2000, June 2001.

JL 45/46 DFW-NRT indeed using M11. I don't have Dec 2001's timetable, but I have Jan 2002's timetable, the route wasn't exist anymore.

An odditity is I found another M11 to the US at that time, it was JL 27/28 LAX-NGO operate 3 days a week.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 3):
For sure JL's DC10 doesn't even have the range to make it to US.

Why not? JL's DC-10s were the long-range DC-10-40, comparable to the -30 but with P&W engines. If memory correct, NW's original DC-10-40s were used on some west coast US-Japan routes. JL and NW were the only original customers for the DC-10-40 and I believe JL's had certain engine or other options that made JL's more capable than NW's.


User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Why not? JL's DC-10s were the long-range DC-10-40, comparable to the -30 but with P&W engines. If memory correct, NW's original DC-10-40s were used on some west coast US-Japan routes. JL and NW were the only original customers for the DC-10-40 and I believe JL's had certain engine or other options that made JL's more capable than NW's.

Yes you are correct about JL's DC10 are all the 40 variety, but most of them are actually configured and delicated to domestic routes, as at that time JL has to use DC10 to flight with NH using L1011 before 744 comes. Some of them that are international a few of them gone to EG for NRT-TPE, and one went to JD to use for NRT-HNL, then several international use it on intra-asia routes like NRT-HKG and NRT-BKK.

NW actually use DC 10-30 to do like SFO-NRT and SEA-NRT instead of DC 10-40, as those DC10-30 are actually bought from SR and TG with the engines equal to a DC10-30ER. AA also once leased DC10-30ER to do DFW-NRT when at the beginning MD11 didnot have sufficient range to fly the route.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
AA also once leased DC10-30ER to do DFW-NRT when at the beginning MD11 didnot have sufficient range to fly the route.

No. That's false. The MD-11 always had the range to do DFW-NRT. No DC-10 variant has the range to do DFW-NRT. They flew the DC-10 briefly on SJC-NRT, but I can't remember the reason, though it was discussed recently here.

UAL


User currently offlineORDnHKG From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Typo error, the DC10 that use for NRT-HNL at the time was operate with JO instead of JD.

User currently offlineprofcalvin From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3219 times:

Remember flying the JL MD-11 DFW-NRT-DFW when I was little. Always loved seeing the beautiful bid on the giant winglet staring back at me....great memories.

FYI JL never flew DFW - KIX

AA did DFW-KIX for a little while but was axed

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[Edited 2010-07-28 19:19:18]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26004 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 3):
For sure JL's DC10 doesn't even have the range to make it to US.

JAL very much used its DC-10s to mainland. JFK being one station, and for a period at SFO as I recall.

Here is a photo taken at JFK(there are more in the database)

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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1320 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3194 times:

NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT?

I believe this was flown with a DC-10/MD-11 until it became JALways and was switched to a 763


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 12):
NRT-KOA-HNL-NRT?

I believe this was flown with a DC-10/MD-11 until it became JALways and was switched to a 763

No MD-11s were used on that route; only DC-10s and B747 classics until the B763 replaced them all.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3665 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
The DC-10s (not sure about MD-11s) were also used on quite a few Japan-Hawaii flights, but they only had limited use to the US mainland.

These were DC-10 routes back then.
NRT-KOA
NRT/KIX/FUK/SDJ/CTS-HNL

I'm not sure which other Japan cities had scheduled service back then, but many were DC-10s. We did have around 15 JAL/JAZ flights a day back then.

The MD-11 did come to HNL as extra section flights only. The last MD-11 flight to HNL was on Sept 24, 2004.

Quoting ORDnHKG (Reply 7):
AA also once leased DC10-30ER to do DFW-NRT when at the beginning MD11 didnot have sufficient range to fly the route.

AA got a couple of 747SPs to do DFW-NRT before the MD-11s.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8450 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2942 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
If memory correct, JL's MD-11s and DC-10s were mainly used within Asia and to Europe. The DC-10s (not sure about MD-11s) were also used on quite a few Japan-Hawaii flights, but they only had limited use to the US mainland. There are a couple of JL DC-10 photos at JFK in the 1970s but nowhere else in the US except HNL

JAL flew DC-10's via Anchorage to JFK before the 747-200B could fly it nonstop in 1983.


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Thanks for the info! I was bumped to business class on three of the four legs I flew (to and from KIX in December 2000, and to KIX and from NRT in December 2001), but I don't remember if the coach class seats had screens (I'm thinking not, because I think I was pretty upset about it). Did the JAL MD-11s have individual screens in business class?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Reply 16):
Did the JAL MD-11s have individual screens in business class?

Not that I can recall. The only JL MD-11 I flew on (J class) was NRT-SIN in the mid-1990s. It had an 8-abreast 2-4-2 business class cabin, uncompetitive with most other carriers, even then. I'm not sure whether that product was ever improved before the MD-11s were retired.


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Is there any way to research the flights I was on back then? I mean, does anyone even keep records that far back?

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