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DL Going Back To VIE Anytime Soon?  
User currently offlineA380fo From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

I know that Delta used to operate to VIE sometime ago, but they have pulled out of that market. How were the flights? Is there any chance of DL re-starting some VIE flights to the states? Just curious, so any help is accepted!!

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User currently offlineewrkid From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

I think we could see CO doing EWR-VIE before DL(again), it makes sense as it is a star hub, but I think it will be after the merger as the new UA will have more longhaul a/c by then

User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

I have a feeling the DL flight will return next summer.

User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

I wish they would by May 2011, I'm trying to find a flight for my cousin to meet us there and most of them involve 2 stops since she's flying from CHS

User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 2):

From ATL or JFK?



yep.
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

VIE seems to struggle to hold Nth American service. It is a decent sized market, but distance must make it hard to get 757's on the route, which would likely be the best suited plane.

The competition from neighbouring hubs/carriers also makes it hard, especially with LH, OS's owner right next door   The pure amount of connecting possibilities, and the chance to hold up a significant yield premium, puts VIE in a difficult position.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 4):
Quoting toobz (Reply 2):

From ATL or JFK?


I'm gonna say jfk. The flights did very well during summer. I say 752 service S11.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 6):


I'm gonna say jfk. The flights did very well during summer. I say 752 service S11.

Agree with everything save the A/C type. I'm betting on a 767, JFK-VIE is a bit long for the 757.

I'm really wanting to see JFK-MUC,DUS,VIE,OSL and LIS from Delta next year. MUC/VIE on the 300ER and DUS/LIS/OSL on the 757.



yep.
User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 785 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 7):
Agree with everything save the A/C type. I'm betting on a 767, JFK-VIE is a bit long for the 757.

I'm really wanting to see JFK-MUC,DUS,VIE,OSL and LIS from Delta next year. MUC/VIE on the 300ER and DUS/LIS/OSL on the 757.

Ok L10 I agree. I think it's a stretch for the 752. DL has no problem filling a 763 on the route. Been there done that. It's a great seasonal route. I really think DL will return. I also think CO will be all over this route as well. Agree on DUS MUC. Great seasonal routes. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for HEL too. PA and DL did great there. DL still has an office in HEL due to all the FFs in the area. It's time to give AY some competion  


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 8):

Ok L10 I agree. I think it's a stretch for the 752. DL has no problem filling a 763 on the route. Been there done that. It's a great seasonal route. I really think DL will return. I also think CO will be all over this route as well. Agree on DUS MUC. Great seasonal routes. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for HEL too. PA and DL did great there. DL still has an office in HEL due to all the FFs in the area. It's time to give AY some competion

Yea i'm thinking LED/HEL/WAW may come in 2012.

DUS/MUC would fallow the connect the dots idea DL has been doing lately (JFK-ZRH/CPH) and OSL/LIS would give CO a run for there money from EWR.



yep.
User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 3):
I'm trying to find a flight for my cousin to meet us there and most of them involve 2 stops since she's flying from CHS

Check on United. They have 3 flights per day that go to IAD and connect to the 5:40pm IAD-VIE service of OS.

I checked August 24th of this year, one way, CHS-VIE.

YYZRWY23



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User currently offlineGoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4811 times:

Why not an A330? I'm sure one can make it from VIE to the east coast. But I agree w/ JFK b/c the market is probably better and it's more fuel efficient anyway. That's just my opinion.


From the airport with love
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4803 times:

Quoting Goblin211 (Reply 11):

because that plane would be WAY to big for the market. A 757 would be a great fit if it had the legs.



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User currently offlineGoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4803 times:

I forgot to mention in the last post that I was talking about Delta A330s.


From the airport with love
User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

In the 90s, Swissair and Austrian had a close partnership, and this included DL and AF as code share partners. Since the alliances came into town, DL had no need for a Star alliance like OS. With Swissair out of the picture, and DL and AF getting involved with Skyteam, VIE was no longer of any use to DL.

Even if DL did have a change of heart, I could not see them adding the service between JFK and VIE, as it is already served by OS. O&D traffic would be rather vital, considering nearly all of the Skyteam flights going into VIE from their respective hubs which are already served by DL, except for maybe MXP (correct me if Im wrong here).

While I am speculation ville here, I just don't see the value added with another service between JFK and VIE, especially with a 757. Be it in C or Y, I do not like long hauls on 757s. I will take a 777 or 330, or even a 767, take the stop over and enjoy the added comfort before I take a 9 hour flight on a 757 (even if it could do it).

Tom



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

The total of Finland-US is less than 450 PDEW and during the winter most of that traffic is to Miami, not New York. The chances of seeing Delta or any other U.S. carrier at HE'LL are near zilch. Even Finnair requires the benefit of its hub location to fill flights.


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 14):
In the 90s, Swissair and Austrian had a close partnership, and this included DL and AF as code share partners.

It was more than a code share......it was an alliance, much as Skyteam is an alliance, now. I'm trying to remember, but I do know that Sabena was also a member as was Singapore. AF was a latecomer to this particular alliance, IIRC.

[Edited 2010-07-29 13:41:56]


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Even Finnair requires the benefit of its hub location to fill flights.

I would bet that the Delta hub on this side of the ocean can supply as many connecting passengers as Finnair on the other side of the ocean. I could be wrong but it would be interesting to see the numbers.


User currently offlineicna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
The total of Finland-US is less than 450 PDEW

I'm lost... aren't we talking about Austria here? I would think Austria/Vienna is much bigger a market than what Finland/Helsinki is. The population is greater, the wealth probably on par, plus vienna is quite a big UN town.

Quoting mayor (Reply 16):
It was more than a code share......it was an alliance, much as Skyteam is an alliance

The S'air team or club or whatever. It included TAT in France though, not AF, but I do think DL was the American partner. Most of the airlines in that club went bankrupt and their offsprings are now in Star Alliance. It was I think the first example of what are now the big alliances...


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 10):
Check on United. They have 3 flights per day that go to IAD and connect to the 5:40pm IAD-VIE service of OS.

IAD probably handles the majority of connecting passengers, since OS, unlike most Star Alliance airlines, only flies to JFK and not EWR.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
I would bet that the Delta hub on this side of the ocean can supply as many connecting passengers as Finnair on the other side of the ocean. I could be wrong but it would be interesting to see the numbers.

But that doesn't change the fact that the U.S.-Finland market is only about 450 PDEW. And HEL-U.S. isn't very spread out - New York, Miami and San Fran are pretty close to two-thirds the demand.

Quoting icna05e (Reply 18):

I'm lost... aren't we talking about Austria here? I would think Austria/Vienna is much bigger a market than what Finland/Helsinki is. The population is greater, the wealth probably on par, plus vienna is quite a big UN town.

The topic is Vienna but others were bringing up Helsinki.



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Yea i'm thinking LED/HEL/WAW may come in 2012.

WAW would be a great option in early 2011. LO is lacking long haul aircraft. Returned 2 762 to a leasing company and now will do the same with one of their 763. This means that they will only have 4 left and they are supposed to be retrofitted by Boeing. As a result LO is reducing its service to US and Canada waiting for first 787.
This means that anyone else could profit from Lo's reduced service.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 16):
Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 14):
In the 90s, Swissair and Austrian had a close partnership, and this included DL and AF as code share partners.

It was more than a code share......it was an alliance, much as Skyteam is an alliance, now. I'm trying to remember, but I do know that Sabena was also a member as was Singapore. AF was a latecomer to this particular alliance, IIRC.

"Atlantic Excellence" was the name IIRC, and the airlines involved were Delta, Sabena, Swissair and Austrian.
Not sure when that alliance was started, but the 4 airlines gained ATI in summer 1996, and the alliance was disbanded in October 1999, about the time when DL went with AF.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 22):
"Atlantic Excellence" was the name IIRC, and the airlines involved were Delta, Sabena, Swissair and Austrian.

I think that grew out of the Qualiflyer FF alliance of the early 1990s.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting icna05e (Reply 18):
The S'air team or club or whatever. It included TAT in France though, not AF, but I do think DL was the American partner. Most of the airlines in that club went bankrupt and their offsprings are now in Star Alliance. It was I think the first example of what are now the big alliances...

It was called the Atlantic Alliance.....the members were Delta, Sabena, Swissair, Austrian and Singapore (actually, SQ was in the "Global Excellence Alliance" but the name changed when they left). TAT was never a member. I was thinking that AF was in it, at the last, but I guess I was thinking of the beginning of Skyteam.



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25 USPIT10L : I wanna say it started in 1993, as that was the year all of the ex-Pan Am cities were in full swing.
26 mayor : I think I read another old thread on here, from 2003, that stated that it started in 1996 and ended in 1999.
27 bobnwa : It was mostly a frequent flyer allainace. Could be wrong butI don't believe it ever had ATI.
28 Post contains images BOACCunard : Re: historic alliances, so far what I can find is: Delta, Swissair and Singapore Airlines formed the Global Excellence Alliance in 1989. I was surpris
29 milesrich : I flew the route in November 1997, VIE - ATL. They used a 767-300ER. The flight was full in Bus Elite, and there were probably 25 seats available in t
30 mayor : IIRC, ATL-VIE was still operating almost a year later as I took it in the summer of '98. I was connecting VIE-SKG on OS. I believe the service from A
31 icna05e : Ach, ok sorry. Bratislava I agree, but Budapest is more than 200k away. And, is already served by DL (or is it?). Still, pretty good location indeed.
32 BOACCunard : Yes, BUD is already served by DL.
33 tyler81190 : I flew DL's ATL-VIE in July of 2008, flight was full, and I was sad to see it go away, as I now have to connect through AMS on KL, and if I pay for B/
34 LHCVG : Isn't Star's own performance with VIE indicative of the market there? As in, OS only runs to IAD, JFK, ORD, and YYZ here in North America IIRC, and al
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