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Why Doesn't Air Tahiti Serve More US Airports?  
User currently offlineGoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

It seems TN only serves JFK and LAX in the US. I'm guessing it's the length of the trip. Explains why they serve few other destinations worldwide. Am I right? If not then why don't they expand routes and/or fleets? The A380 comes to mind.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

JFK got canned.

LAX is the only airport that can really work. SFO and HNL are the only other two that stand a chance.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

Quoting Goblin211 (Thread starter):
It seems TN only serves JFK and LAX in the US. I'm guessing it's the length of the trip

Out of LAX it's only an 8 hour flight and is in the same timezone as Hawaii, currently 3 hours back. I wouldn't imagine that's an issue.

I also tend to believe that people on the West Coast go to Hawaii, Tahiti, and Fiji for their tropical vacations. Whereas people on the East Coast lean more towards going to the Caribbean, Europe, or other Atlantic destinations.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
SFO and HNL are the only other two that stand a chance.

Yeah, I'd buy that. I really can't picture any other city doing TN well. JFK was axed. ORD... maybe? That's about it.

I think TN would do very well with a 777. Not sure what variant would be best. Maybe just a -200ER. Not sure if they could fill a 773ER. A 777LR would be too much. But a 777 would give them good capacity (250-300 seats) and some room down below for freight.

An A380 would be overkill for TN. Just simply too much plane.



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

You're referring to Air Tahiti Nui. Air Tahiti ( VT ) is a regional carrier. Wouldn't 77L be the one that fits them - though I believe there wouldn't be much cargo.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
SFO and HNL are the only other two that stand a chance.

Even those are sketchy.
HA does HNL-PPT but has been stuck with only 1x weekly frequency for ages which kinda tells you what the demand is, while way back SFO had service on UTA, and more recently charters on Corsair, but it has always taken a back to seat to much more services at LAX.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
An A380 would be overkill for TN. Just simply too much plane.

Remember also Tahiti has a finite limit on hotels rooms also. Having daily A380 movements would overwhelm the island which is not really geared for mass tourism.
To put things in perspective in 2009, all of French Polynesia saw about 260,000 tourist arrivals, in comparison Hawaii had 6.5million. HI sees more folks in about two weeks then Tahiti does all year!



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10226 times:

TN seems to come up as a topic now and again. What's interesting is the common theme that TN looses a lot of money and is heavily subsidized. I don't see TN expanding their services to the USA beyond LAX as it's viability is based in part on the tag-on to CDG. I always thought TN could try a once a week PPT-YVR-CDG and make it work as no other carrier would be operating on that routing,of course it would probably require a 5th freedom on the YVR-CDG.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10181 times:

It's just as well more people don't visit Tahiti - the French Polynesian protectorate has some important environmental concerns that preclude excessive tourism activity. There's enough of it to support the local economy generally on top of the stipends the French still provide.


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User currently offlinedldtw1962 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Would it be a good ideal to try ANC. I would think people up in that part of the world would love to have some place other then Hawaii to choose from? Just a thought.

User currently offlineRIDGID727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9884 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
It's just as well more people don't visit Tahiti - the French Polynesian protectorate has some important environmental concerns that preclude excessive tourism activity. There's enough of it to support the local economy generally on top of the stipends the French still provide.

This is so very true, and they really do not have much of an infrastructure to support anymore tourism than they allready have.
As for Air Tahiti Nui, there just really isn't anywhere for them to expand from Tahiti as buisness travel is very very low, and tourism is pretty much covered with what they know operate.
As for Tahiti, it is the largest per capita expenditure for the French Governemtn on their style of public welfare.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6594 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Hawaii is a "big" island. All the 130 islands of French Polynesia can't add to its size. So mass tourism is out of the question (I already find all the bungalows on the water in Bora Bora et al horrible).

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 5):
I always thought TN could try a once a week PPT-YVR-CDG and make it work as no other carrier would be operating on that routing,of course it would probably require a 5th freedom on the YVR-CDG.

France-Canada-France would need 5th freedom ?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9693 times:

Quoting dldtw1962 (Reply 7):
Would it be a good ideal to try ANC.

No. Hawaii has that market cornered and it's very seasonal.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 1):
SFO and HNL are the only other two that stand a chance.

Here's the problem. PPT is a VERY expensive vacation. It's a long way, first of all, which means it takes a lot of time and the fare is going to be high. It's not close to any other countries so it's a single destination (Polynesia) vacation. The fact it's an island coupled with the French influence means its super-expensive. Having said all that it's one of my favorite places and Bora Bora is of the most beautiful places in the world, but the market is inherently small based upon that. Basically the market is affluent honeymooners. That means VERY large cities are where the market is.

The problem with HNL service is that anybody you get is going to be interline from elsewhere so you aren't really serving the market. The last place the people who live in Hawaii want to go is an even more isolated island. That's already their lifestyle. Having said that, the data I've seen shows HNL is the 2nd largest market behind LAX. Again, I suspect it's largely interline traffic. New York is the next largest market and SanFran is a distant 4th.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9529 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
France-Canada-France would need 5th freedom ?

Didn't think that Tahiti would be considered part of France when it comes to bilateral agreements,makes sense though.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2182 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

How does LAN do on its two weekly SCL-IPC-PPT services? There must obviously be reasonable demand from Latin America as well, correct? And while on the subject of going from one remote Island to the next, surely you can't get any more extreme than going from Easter Island to Tahiti, correct?!


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User currently offlinePacNWJet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9327 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
The last place the people who live in Hawaii want to go is an even more isolated island. That's already their lifestyle. Having said that, the data I've seen shows HNL is the 2nd largest market behind LAX. Again, I suspect it's largely interline traffic.

Albeit relatively small, there is a degree of both VFR and "cultural connection" travel between Hawaii and other parts of Polynesia (including French Polynesia). There is a large Mormon community throughout Polynesia as well as a branch of Brigham Young University in Hawaii that attracts students from throughout Polynesia. In addition, there are academic researchers (anthropologists, oceanographers, marine biologists, etc.), many of whom are based in Hawaii and travel throughout Polynesia. Also, there have been efforts to forge cultural ties throughout Polynesia with Hawaii being one of the hubs of such efforts. Finally, individuals from elsewhere in Polynesia have family in Hawaii and/or work there. No doubt tourism mostly accounts for travel to Hawaii and French Polynesia, but there are enough other types of travelers to make up some of the passenger base on the Hawaii–Tahiti market.


User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 6):
It's just as well more people don't visit Tahiti - the French Polynesian protectorate has some important environmental concerns that preclude excessive tourism activity. There's enough of it to support the local economy generally on top of the stipends the French still provide.

are you kidding? they can only just dream of reaching their goal of 500,000 visitors. If you think that there is enough of it to support the local economy you are also dreaming. Tahiti is a total mess at present. They need money, and need it real bad. They can't even finance the contruction of their new hospital, and the construction has started years ago.
Tahiti on a whole is far from everything and very expensive, and the people in the service industry could well do with a bit of training with providing real service!


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9256 times:

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 13):
There is a large Mormon community throughout Polynesia as well as a branch of Brigham Young University in Hawaii that attracts students from throughout Polynesia.

Yes, I have been to the sham Polynesian Cultural Center on Oahu. Regardless, It's not a big market. I still say it's most interline using HNL as a hub to other places. It is also not uncommon for wealthy Mexican honeymooners to do a multiple stop honeymoon of Hawaii, a Pacific Island, and maybe Vegas. That could also account for some of the PPT-HNL traffic. Overall, though, it's not a natural market. They might be better off with NYC, although it is long and low-yield.


User currently offlineRIDGID727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

PPT itself is a horibbly dirty city, and poverty there is rampant. I think PPT makes up about 140,000 in population, and the entire populations of all of Tahiti is like 180,000. Outer islands such as Bora Bora, Moorea, - where most tourists go, have accomodations, but the service is not what most Americans expect. Those bungalos are mostly in real bad repair, and they are more like a "no tell motel" you would find on Route 66, although those on route 66 ususally are not bug infested where you have to sleep all night with a mosquito net over your body. Service is slow( at the leisure of the Demi- or polynesian persons own pace), most places are rather dirty and unkept. The food is far from what you would find in fine restaurants in France for the most part. It just isn't a real nice place for a service vacation- on the other hand, Bora Bora has beautiful snorkeling, and scenery--probably the most beautiful you will see anywhere.

Back in the 80's it was said that the service on UTA French Airlines (and that services was not real good) was better than you would find on the Islands in hotels and reataurants.


User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

What are their code sharing relationships like? That might be a way to increase connections and make other cities more viable.

User currently offlineFCO110 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

Quoting RIDGID727 (Reply 16):
Outer islands such as Bora Bora, Moorea, - where most tourists go, have accomodations, but the service is not what most Americans expect. Those bungalos are mostly in real bad repair, and they are more like a "no tell motel" you would find on Route 66, although those on route 66 ususally are not bug infested where you have to sleep all night with a mosquito net over your body.

Have you been there to say that? We stayed at the Four Seasons and it was amazing. Unbelievable rooms, service and product. Meridien and St Regis also apparently have a great product. That being said they are sesitive to the inflow. Our Air Tahiti flights were packed when we went.


User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9157 times:

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 18):
Four Seasons and it was amazing. Unbelievable rooms, service and product. Meridien and St Regis also apparently have a great produc

at almost US$1000 a night one would hope so!!!!


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7117 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting RIDGID727 (Reply 16):
PPT itself is a horibbly dirty city, and poverty there is rampant. I think PPT makes up about 140,000 in population, and the entire populations of all of Tahiti is like 180,000. Outer islands such as Bora Bora, Moorea, - where most tourists go, have accomodations, but the service is not what most Americans expect

You have obviously visited a different Tahiti to me.

Looks terrible, doesnt it?

http://i30.tinypic.com/348ll03.jpg

Quoting FCO110 (Reply 18):
Unbelievable rooms, service and product.

someone went where i went!



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User currently offlineNZdsgnr From New Zealand, joined Jul 2008, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 20):
Looks terrible, doesnt it?

Oh yes but get out of your over-priced resort and visit PPT and not just your out of town in the "district" hotel


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9076 times:

Quoting RIDGID727 (Reply 16):
PPT itself is a horibbly dirty city, and poverty there is rampant.

Actually the view of Moorea is stunning from PPT and I have nothing bad to say about it other than it is expensive which is a drag on tourism.

Quoting RIDGID727 (Reply 16):
Outer islands such as Bora Bora, Moorea, - where most tourists go, have accomodations, but the service is not what most Americans expect.

Show me an American who actually been to Bora Bora who does not have it among the vest experience of their lifetime. It's among mine. The prices are hideous, though.


User currently offlineisitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

When you fly distance like Tahiti to the USA, a round trip takes a few hours. You have one bird tied up for almost a 24 hour period with flight, taxi in and out and ground ops.
ALSO to serve more places, they are going to need more planes because of above comment with one bird.
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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7117 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8952 times:

Quoting NZdsgnr (Reply 21):

Oh yes but get out of your over-priced resort and visit PPT and not just your out of town in the "district" hotel

Oh, but I did - four islands - Huahine, the least developed, was the best fun - stayed in a tiny beach hotel. We speak French which was an advantage to getting out and about.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2s6vf3m.jpg



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25 bestwestern : Service is mainland european, not have a nice day American with free top-ups.
26 Viscount724 : TN is considered a French carrier and Tahiti is covered by the Canada-France bilateral. YVR-PPT service by French carriers was permitted under the ol
27 NZdsgnr : Great but have you tried the centre of papeete where traffic jam abound and rubbish litter everywhere? and were you there when they had they last str
28 bestwestern : Why such a downer on Tahiti? Yes, stayed in PPT, and actually enjoyed it, refreshing change from the islands to be honest. There when they had a stri
29 NZdsgnr : why? having spent the first 18 years of my life and going back there on a regular basis, one gets desillusioned very quickly. They want everything an
30 multimark : It was indeed rumoured that TN would serve YVR, but it never came to pass. I can't imagine Vancouver generating enough traffic, but adding on the YVR
31 crownvic : Ironically, about 1-2 years ago, there was serious talk that the LAX flight was going to be moved to LAS. It was in the local newspaper and appeared t
32 LAXdude1023 : Its a good thing they didnt. LAS-PPT would never work.
33 Superfly : No need to. They are doing just fine with their A340-300s.
34 BMI727 : Perhaps they were going to try and bank on getting LAS-CDG traffic to help make up the difference and not compete at LAX. If most of the passengers a
35 Post contains images Superfly : There is already a Paris in Las Vegas.
36 aerorobnz : No they aren't. They have too many aircraft and it's too big for what they need for most of the year so as a result they hemorrhage money as fast as
37 Superfly : Doesn't sound like any other plane would solve their financial woes.
38 dldtw1962 : I would love to go spend a week in PPT, Bora Bora, Moorea. I would be snorkeling all day long. This is not a place that someone from my part of the co
39 jfk777 : Air Tahiti Nui will probably fly Airbus since they are a French territory, but the right plane for them now would be the A330. Since the A330-200 is
40 koruman : French Polynesia's niche is as a luxury boutique island destination. It is not for price-sensitive travellers. The hotels for them are still pretty e
41 rfields5421 : I have always assumed there is enough traffic from South America to Tahiti to justify twice a week service, but not enough for more frequency. I doub
42 PacNWJet : Hollywood has glamorized the South Pacific for decades (as exemplified in the motion picture of the same name). This is not about North Americans not
43 koruman : I am fortunate to live in a country where I get two months' paid vacation time each year, and have been fortunate enough to travel widely in the Cari
44 LAXintl : Yes there are lots of problems politically, economically and socially. I would not be surprised if things boil over one day and you have riots like N
45 FCO110 : Top hotels in the caribbean are in the same price range as South Pacific so would think it is only an issue of distance. (ie $1,000 per night)
46 Mortyman : I would think this would be a problem in any country where there is an ongoing strike where garbage handlers would be affected. Not only Tahiti. As f
47 Viscount724 : Is that standard in Australia? I thought Europe was generous with vacation time with a month or more, compared to North America where 2 or 3 weeks is
48 BA84 : Agreed! Quebecers drive to Florida, or fly to Cuba or Dominican Republic. Tahiti would be considered on the other side of the planet. BA84
49 koruman : How long does it take to drive to Florida? I would argue that TN could open a Papeete-Montreal-Paris alternative to PPT-LAX-CDG, and see how they go
50 sunrisevalley : Indirectly if the PPT connection was good this route would offer a useful connection from Eastern and Central Canada to AKL.
51 AABB777 : How are the loads in the premium cabins for AF's LAX-PPT-LAX flights? I must say AF offers a superior product when compared to TN.
52 Viscount724 : Montreal-Paris already has almost the equivalent of 7 daily nonstops during the peak season. A carrier with only 2 per week wouldn't stand a chance.
53 booforty : I've mulled over what other destinations TN could serve to improve its prospects and also thought about it trying to access Montreal. I take the point
54 Post contains images MAH4546 : Yeah, makes sense. I'm sure money has nothing to do with it, because so many Americans can afford to fly half way around the world and stay at expens
55 Post contains images Superfly : ...and it's all the A340's fault. Tell us how you really feel Koruman. You're implying that the South Pacific is somehow a destination for "educated"
56 BMI727 : Plus getting to and from Tahiti is 20+ hours of flying and most of the Caribbean is conveniently in the same timezone as the East Coast and only a fe
57 koruman : This is a Tahiti thread, not a Fiji one. Not many Aussies go to Tahiti. American tourists are what makes Bora Bora and Taha'a work. It's just a shame
58 jfk777 : Yes but people can go for a long weekend to teh Caribean, Tahiti is a 10 day thing at minimum, 2 weeks really.
59 mikey72 : Oh i'm sure Emirates will end up bunging a couple of daily A380's over to Papeete. Why not ? (sorry i'm being naughty ! )
60 booforty : In my earlier post I suggested Shanghai as a possible new destination. Would this be a viable route to open up the Chinese market? Or would it make mo
61 airzim : Does anyone else laugh at the irony in this statement? Making a gross generalization about "East Coaster" uneducated holiday decisions which is itsel
62 Superfly : Very true. I wonnder if koruman was aducated enough to look at the prices to the South Pacific from East Coast cities when most Americans have vactio
63 SCL767 : That is completely false! LAN's cargo yields on the route alone ensure that the service is extremely profitable. Also, LAN will launch LIM-IPC-LIM tw
64 mikey72 : Hang on..i've got so much to say that I don't know where to start. For one thing....BERMUDA...for another thing..it's a hell of a shlep from the east
65 booforty : According to a Tahiti news website the Tahiti Government are considering a direct Tahiti-China flight with meetings to be held between representatives
66 SCL767 : HND and ICN PAX will soon have the option of flying into to PPT via HNL on HA's weekly HNL-PPT-HNL service.
67 koruman : Is it really? Europeans go en masse to the beaches of Thailand and Malaysia, which are a similar distance away. They also are discerning enough to go
68 mikey72 : Yes but you can stay in a 5* hotel in Thailand for £20 a night if you play your cards right !
69 BMI727 : Why is that bad? Why the hell should I sit on a plane for 12 hours just to prove to ignorant foreigners how smart and cultured (as if Caribbean islan
70 QANTAS747-438 : Ok, so how are the load factors for SCL-IPC-PPT? Are flights full?
71 SR4ever : In order to attract a bit more tourism, French Polynesia should set higher service standards in terms of accommodation and catering, but as in almost
72 AA767400 : I know it's hard for you to accept that most Americans choose to travel to the Caribbean, hence why you feel the need to call it inferior. Why can't
73 airzim : Mods clearly aren't doing their job. I didn't know that anti-American sentiment, even in jest, was excluded from your T&C's. If you can't play by
74 SCL767 : This is the low season for travel to IPC; however due to the recent Eclipse, LAN's flights were full last month and IPC recorded record numbers. LAN
75 yenne09 : For Air Tahiti Nui the west coast cities are served not only as a point to point destination but also as an enroute stop because they can't do Pepeete
76 koruman : This thread is about why Air Tahiti Nui doesn't serve more US airports. My anwers have illustrated precisely why, because Americans east of the West
77 BMI727 : What about Mexico or the Caribbean makes them less exotic? What causes the desirability of a vacation destination to be proportional to its distance?
78 mirrodie : I think you are right. And honestly, its an island. Having been to Hawaii as well as several other island in the Carribean, at the end of the day, it
79 AA767400 : And that is your opinion. But, the fact is that the Caribbean gets more tourism than French Polynesia. Inferior as it may seem to you, people prefer
80 Superfly : I am sure many New Yorkers and others on the US East Coast would love to go to the South Pacific. Were those tickets on Air Tahiti Nui under $2000? I
81 koruman : Turquiose lagoons, powdery white sand, almost vertical jagged mountain peaks, Polynesian beauties, Mutiny on the Bounty.... Reunion is rainy, no whit
82 BMI727 : So how does one get from you and your family liking Tahiti the best to Americans don't go there because they are ignorant and uneducated? Some people
83 Post contains images NYCFlyer : I don't want to parrot everyone else, but ignoring the obvious and unnecessary condecension of the above comment, there are many reasons we don't go
84 Viscount724 : They do now.
85 mirrodie : Funny you should mention New Caledonia. Up until our last trip to Australia and Tahiti, I never even heard of NC until I got to discussing it with TN
86 Viscount724 : I've never undeerstood why so many Australians, who have so many tropical beaches of their own, fly thousands of miles to find something almost the s
87 koruman : I understand what you are trying to say, but there is a major flaw in the argument. We are discussing why Air Tahiti Nui don't open up new US destina
88 BMI727 : You expect to make money in a leisure market flying a widebody with 190 seats!? Well, yeah, because that is who goes to Hawaii. People on the East Co
89 luckyone : Not sure I agree with you. Air France has a sizable (and growing) fleet of 777s. I would hazard to say that for such an operationally small airline d
90 aerorobnz : ETOPS is on the way out. All Aircraft will be governed by the same rules shortly.
91 luckyone : Excellent point. Historically might this have been a serious consideration however?
92 mirrodie : One question. They are doing PPT-LAX. What is their route to CDG? Does it have range to do CDG-PPT direct or does it do CDG-LAX-PPT?
93 goldorak : The route is PPT-LAX-CDG-LAX-PPT. Not possible to do PPT-CDG non-stop
94 koruman : Yup. Air Tahiti Nui did extensive modelling to determine whether they could operate an A318 LAX-PPT in an all lie-flat Business Class configuration.
95 Post contains images Superfly : Wow, and you work with doctors too. Right? I know the type you're talking about though. We aviation buffs can be such travel snobs. ...and you would
96 Mortyman : Despite being very touristy, French Polynesia and certainly the Pacific in general is less touristy that the Caribbean and Mexico. it's further away,
97 aerorobnz : F-OJTN is ex Canada 3000 and was their second 343 delivered (by only 2 weeks though). I suspect it was more to do with the fact that they could get A
98 koruman : There is another major factor here - the dignity and wealth of the people, and that provides the setting for your vacation. The minimum wage in Frenc
99 Post contains images mirrodie : Yep. i can only think of 2 other couples, only 1 a doctor couple, that took the trip. Otherwise I think they just want to stick to the beac ha few ho
100 Post contains images Superfly : I've been to many Caribbean islands over the years and ironically found that Cuba seemed to be the most culturally rich compared to all the other isl
101 baw716 : The market for Tahiti is more Asia and Europe driven than from the USA. That and the fact that TN only has a handful of A340s makes expanding into oth
102 mirrodie : And yet, for example, there is some pristine beach on Haiti, untouched by tourism. unfortunately you have to drive through turmoil to experience it.
103 Viscount724 : That would add a lot of cost and time and severely disrupt the schedule, as well as making CDG-PPT very uncompetitive with AF one-stop service. And w
104 Superfly : Can the A340-300 fly JFK-PPT nonstop?
105 aerorobnz : It used to 3x a week. It was the quickest way to the east coast from AKL/SYD.
106 ZK-NBT : Um yes, TN did use it when they fle the route themselves.
107 Viscount724 : JFK-PPT is 5465 nm. A340-300s have operated many longer routes than that.
108 SCL767 : First of all, Trinidad is not a tourist destination. It is however a business destination due to the many industries on the island. Maybe you should
109 Superfly : I thought the JFK service stopped in LAX.
110 ZK-NBT : It did at times in its 3 or so year existance but it definatly started out non stop! And as below PPT-JFK is well within the range of an A343! Yep.
111 Post contains images Superfly : Ok, Ok, Ok fine. No need to beat me over the head for simply asking a question. I don't retain small details like this. I am a bad person for not alr
112 Post contains images aerorobnz : That's what you get for living in a condo in BKK...... I'd be the same with all those Thai girls everywhere...
113 Post contains images Superfly : LOL!
114 Post contains links mirrodie : Thanks. That is why I'm just an enthusiast, not an armchair CEO. What do I know, right? Really? Is it faster than QF/AA? I've done both and I felt it
115 LAXintl : The JFK service was nonstop from the get-go, however when the loads were so atrocious and to help hang on to the route during certain periods it was e
116 SR4ever : Very much agreed. AF prides itself as one of biggest 777s operator in Europe, and the 777 share in AF longhaul fleet is quite impressive for a countr
117 mirrodie : Terrible load factors indeed. Our flights lies within the June 2006July 2006 timeframe. On 3 of our 4 flights, we were the only passengers in F. Busin
118 LAXintl : Actually there was a NY campaign, quite a costly one at that. TN made a deal with big name Saatchi & Saatchi. (long time agency for likes of BA)
119 Superfly : According to Wikipedia, they have a fleet of only 5 aircraft and a staff of 782 people. Is that the norm for an airline of this size?
120 Pyrex : Has to be. Middle of nowhere to even more middle of nowhere. I almost fell to the ground when I arrived at the airport in PPT and looked at the video
121 NZdsgnr : that is part of why TN is in a dire financial situation... and now the government won't to let TN go down even though it is bleeding money because it
122 aerorobnz : Originally connections were excellent. All flights used to hub through in a hub of about 4hours except NRT which was 8hours. JFK passengers would get
123 SCCutler : Well, it may be a late comment, but I (1) enjoyed TN's service from LAX-PPT return, (2) thought Tahiti was a fine place to visit (although no one woul
124 Post contains images Superfly : I don't see the point in that considering their load factors hovers around the 50%. Why not let an employee or relative have that seat since it's goi
125 SCCutler : I have to relate this tid-bit. My son and I both got a little bit sick (head colds), so we asked at the hotel desk about a physician. In no time flat
126 NZdsgnr : but then why bother buying a full fare ticket if i can get a free ticket? 782 x 10 = 7820 people waiting a free ride rather than buying a ticket and
127 Superfly : Well considering most who fly Air Tahiti Nui are tourist from other countries, chances are they wont have a relative that works for that airline. I w
128 NZdsgnr : Actually people from tahiti will travel even with just $15,000pa, they will take up loans and actually flying from PPT-LAX-PPT can be as cheap as $80
129 koruman : That is quite a trap that you have stumbled into. The minimum wage - not the average wage - is around $15,000. And that includes rural populations on
130 mirrodie : Have to agree with you there....the ad campaign in NY got lost in the ether. Never took off. Air Tahiti Nui did a great job, I agree. I don;t think m
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