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Cubana IL-62 Retirement  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14792 times:

Cubana is now down to two IL-62s and has 1 more IL-96 on order.
When their IL-62s are gone, will they go to another carrier, charters service, cargo or will they just sit at Jose Marti and rot away?
I wonder if they'll try to sell off their last remaining operating aircraft.
The one I flew on (CU-T1283) blew an engine after takeoff and the aircraft sustained damage and has been written off. It now sits at HAV.



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Is there an official retirement date?


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14561 times:

Maybe they will retire the planes at the same time than Fidel and Raul....

Problem with Cubana is that they can´t buy or lease planes like A330 or B767.

When I was living in HAV, they always talk about buying A330, because they rent one from Novair and they were amazed with the plane.... but because the embargo they have to cancel the leasing, then they start leasing an Air Europa B767, so after 1 and a half month.... same problem....

They really like Airbus, CU have 2 or 3 lease from TACA and they are very happy with them, but so far they can´t buy them.....

Don´t ask me how are they leasing the A320 because It a real tricky story.....

That plane you´re talking about blew the engine in SDQ, I remember that. I was there....

You should see them taking off at lunch time fully loaded..... one day they won´t have enought runway.... it´s amazing...

Actually they have some Il-62 in HAV just retired.... using for spares....


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14455 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Problem with Cubana is that they can´t buy or lease planes like A330 or B767.

Are they not happy with their new fleet of IL-96s, TU204s and AN-148s?

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
That plane you´re talking about blew the engine in SDQ, I remember that. I was there....

Were you at the airport or did you just mean Santo Domingo?
I am surprised there was no thread about it here in the forums. I just found out about this a few months ago.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Actually they have some Il-62 in HAV just retired.... using for spares....

Technically, the IL-62 is still in production. The leader of Sudan had one made that was delivered in 2005.
Doesn't Ilyushin provide technical support for these aircraft?



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14367 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):

Hoping CU will never retire the last two Ilyushin IL-62's! Possible one of the best aircrafts I ever ride!

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14256 times:
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Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Don´t ask me how are they leasing the A320 because It a real tricky story.....

I saw this cool neon sign at their ticket office last week in Montreal. I wish it had an IL-62 on it instead of an A320.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb309/NWA747/Montreal035.jpg

I also grabbed a flyer advertising trips to HAV from YUL on Cubana's "modern A320 aircraft".

[Edited 2010-07-29 06:55:43]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14236 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 3):
Hoping CU will never retire the last two Ilyushin IL-62's! Possible one of the best aircrafts I ever ride!

I agree but it's retirement is already listed at Wikipedia (yeah I know, not the most accurate) and they have ramped down their operating fleet of this aircraft type and have been getting more and more IL-96s.
I enjoyed my two flights on their IL-62.
The sounds of those Soloviev D30KU turbofans is like music.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14226 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
The leader of Sudan had one made that was delivered in 2005.

I would like to see that. Is there a photo in the database?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14179 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 4):
I saw this cool neon sign at their ticket office last week in Montreal. I wish it had an IL-62 on it instead of an A320.

That's more modern and up to date than the office I saw in Havana.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
I would like to see that. Is there a photo in the database?

Yep. There are 11 so far.


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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14131 times:

The Il-62Ms seem already retired from regular services, I didn't hear about any reports of them even at places like SDQ or CCS to which they flew til recently. If anyone seen them in service apart from the Recife pictures, let us know.
That CU-T1284 has been seen flying in Recife this month was good news for Ilyushin fans who thought Cubana quit the Il-62 already.
I don't expect any Ilyushin from Cuba to be sold elsewhere. Even in the 1990s they already scrapped a few Il-62s which then only had 10 year service and probably less then 10.000 landings. So I don't see the last machines which are now much older to be sold to a CIS or Sudanese airline when some younger frames are also unwanted.
@Migair; I took the HAV-SDQ roundtrip and flew on 1280 and 1283, indeed the take offs were quite sluggish!



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14106 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
That's more modern and up to date than the office I saw in Havana

I am sure it is. Their office did have a picture of Fidel hanging in it though. I remember seeing the Cubana office in Montreal 11 years ago, but they only had a neon sign without an airplane.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6649 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

What routes are they/were they flying ?


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13901 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
Even in the 1990s they already scrapped a few Il-62s which then only had 10 year service and probably less then 10.000 landings.

Wow, that was a terrible thing to do.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
So I don't see the last machines which are now much older to be sold to a CIS or Sudanese airline when some younger frames are also unwanted.

I am sure there is some use for these aircraft. Even if someone wanted to have one parked somewhere. I just hate to see these scrapped. How much money is an aircraft worth in scrap?




Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 8):
@Migair; I took the HAV-SDQ roundtrip and flew on 1280 and 1283, indeed the take offs were quite sluggish!

Isn't this because the pilots choose this meathod to preserve engine life and save on fuel and not due to performance limitations?
I flew on 1283 and the takeoff roll seemed rather gradual but not as shallow as the more recent YouTube clips.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
What routes are they/were they flying ?

Flew them between Havana and Cancun.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11892 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Don´t ask me how are they leasing the A320 because It a real tricky story.....

Please share that story!! Would be great to hear it!!

For a stupid thing ex. Mexico's President Fox did with Fidel back in 2005, CU canceled the deal and lease of buses from Mexicana.

Please, share the story!!

g77



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10940 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Were you at the airport or did you just mean Santo Domingo?

I was at the airport waiting for departure, and I listen the pilots talking about the problem, it was at about 10.000 feet, they just come back and land.. they have a hole in the fuselage and they were very nervous because they have some fears about possible damage in the twin engine....

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 12):
Please share that story!! Would be great to hear it!!

Actually that planes don´t belong to TACA, they belong to a leasing company in the USA, so they lease the planes to TACA with Irish registration (note all the other leased planes use USA reg.) so, they are oficially lease to TACA and they sub lease to Cubana, I really don´t know how they avoid the embargo, because usually any airline trying to do a bussines like that very soon have a call from the USA recommending to stop doing that business to avoid problems (like UX, Hola and Novair)..... So the payment is done in cash every month thru the Cuban embassy in Mexico d.f.,
Mexico d.f. embassy is use as well to get the payment from the USA airlines in concept of overflying taxes.... So I guess they are using basically USA money to lease the planes.....


Cu Il-62 are in very bad condition some of them, that´s why they are ground, too much corrosion.... In Cuba when they have to do a Heavy check they always say "Call the russian engineers and tell them to bring the stamp for life extension", so the engineer just go to HAV, sign the papers, and go to enjoy some Cuban night life.... same for Il-18, Yak-42.....


User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 468 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

Cubana is wet-leasing the A320s from TACA, that's how they get around the embargo.

I hate to see the Il-62 go, though. It is a lovely plane.

The Castro brothers are getting up in years. I think political change will be coming in a few years and the embargo will be lifted. Especially if their off-shore oil leases bear fruit.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

Take a look to the attached photo where the IL-62 registered as CU-T1280 was parked at HAV and dated on December 29th 2009.
I remember other planes involved on CUBANA and grounded into the mentioned airport that day. Sorry, I didn't have enough time to take more pictures.



Regards.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39879 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9493 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
I was at the airport waiting for departure, and I listen the pilots talking about the problem, it was at about 10.000 feet, they just come back and land.. they have a hole in the fuselage and they were very nervous because they have some fears about possible damage in the twin engine....

WOW!
They had every reason to be nervous because that is what brought down two other IL-62s. The two LOT IL-62 fatal crashes was a result of the same thing that happened to CU-T1283. Luckily these pilots were able to bring this one back safely.
It even more interesting that this aircraft was flown back to Havana in this condition. Did they only use 2 engines or 3?
That must have been a very long takeoff roll.
Here are some reports and photos from that accident.

Here is the report in English:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20080420-0

(Video in Spanish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xltGZk4aHY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.il-62.ru/library/incidents/CU-T1283/cubanail3.jpg



This trip report really starts at reply #48.
I know that sounds odd but back in 2001, I was new to airliners.net and hadn't typed up a trip report before. I wasn't very detailed initially and didn't own a decent scanner to scan in the photos. It took me 8 years to get around to that. Cubana IL-62 Experience. Fantastic! (by Superfly Jun 18 2001 in Trip Reports)

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
Cu Il-62 are in very bad condition some of them, that´s why they are ground, too much corrosion.... In Cuba when they have to do a Heavy check they always say "Call the russian engineers and tell them to bring the stamp for life extension", so the engineer just go to HAV, sign the papers, and go to enjoy some Cuban night life.... same for Il-18, Yak-42.....

I thought Cubana IL-62s were recent models from the 1990s. Shouldn't they have a lot of life left in them?
Aslo, do they have IL-62 flight simulators?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
Actually that planes don´t belong to TACA, they belong to a leasing company in the USA, so they lease the planes to TACA with Irish registration (note all the other leased planes use USA reg.) so, they are officially lease to TACA and they sub lease to Cubana

TA/LR [HAV-SJO] also holds the CU code as part of its mutual code-share agreement.
Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
they are using basically USA money to lease the planes.....

Nice story!! Thanks migair54 for sharing, funny indeed, there's some kind of clean money laundry there.

g77



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User currently offlineflywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7799 times:
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Not to hijack the thread or anything, but does anyone have a list of airlines still flying the IL-62 on regular passenger services?

Matt


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 13):
Cu Il-62 are in very bad condition some of them, that´s why they are ground, too much corrosion.... In Cuba when they have to do a Heavy check they always say "Call the russian engineers and tell them to bring the stamp for life extension", so the engineer just go to HAV, sign the papers, and go to enjoy some Cuban night life.... same for Il-18, Yak-42.....

Gee, that sounds safe. I'd almost rather take my chances with Air Koryo.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6219 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7712 times:

I saw the video from Santo Domingo of the Il-62 and it looks like it must have been a very scary incident for the passengers involved. I have had a couple of family members who have flown on CU Russian aircraft and they recount the flight as being memorable and very different from your run of the mill AA flight. From seeing the smoke (condensation) in the cabin to the interesting cabin service.
Quick question on the wet leased 320's, is the cabin crew CU or TA? I am asuming the IL-96 is being used to MAD?

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineLoran From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 538 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Quoting flywrite (Reply 19):
Not to hijack the thread or anything, but does anyone have a list of airlines still flying the IL-62 on regular passenger services?

Hi Matt,

Check this page to find Il-62 operators: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php

Unfortunately you will that you have to go to North Korea for the only passenger service, however the Il-62 only appears randomly on the PEK route. I am hoping Aria Air will come back, another option may be Deta Air, according to their website a weekly service to Istambul, but there is no evidence that this route is served by Deta:

http://www.detakz.com/air/regular

I checked the CU schedule to CCS until late September, no Il-62 flight scheduled any more  
Until March 2009, it still appeared on the Friday flight. Looks like it is completely gone from the schedule.

Regards,
Loran



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 21):
I am asuming the IL-96 is being used to MAD?
Quoting Loran (Reply 22):
I checked the CU schedule to CCS until late September, no Il-62 flight scheduled any more

Based on my reply number 15, I can clearly remember the IL-96 ready to serve CU HAV-CCS on December 29th 2009.
That plane was registered as CU-T1250 as shown above.

Regards.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 21):
Quick question on the wet leased 320's, is the cabin crew CU or TA? I am asuming the IL-96 is being used to MAD?

All the crew is Cubana crew... Both cockpit and cabin... they used to have TACA captains at the beggining but now they are all Cubana....

IL-96 as far as I know is use for MAD, LGW, CDG, EZE... and some quick runs to south america..

I don´t know if they are currently flying to CDG and LGW because I know they have problems flying Il-96.... they are new but not very popular...... I have flown them in Business several times and is not good at all..... just personal screen but watching the same movie than economy pax are watching in the overhead screens....

Quoting chepos (Reply 21):
From seeing the smoke (condensation) in the cabin to the interesting cabin service.

very true... in Il-62 and Yak-42 both of them....


25 777way : Cubana operated A320 in the past too, search in database.
26 SJOtoLIR : Correct. Most of those 320s were leased from TACA as discussed above. Regards.
27 Superfly : No kidding. I am surprised there was no report here at Airliners.net when it happend. The report I read said that the incident happened at 20,000 fee
28 Post contains images type-rated : I imagine there were some wide eyes and shocked looks on passengers faces when that engine let go! I have heard that they do (or used to do) food and
29 csturdiv : Does Cubana still have this on order? It is listed on the Wikipedia page for the An-148, but on the page for the An-148 on CH-Aviation, there is no m
30 MEA-707 : at my flight from SDQ to HAV, the cold meal was distributed normally, like 40 minutes after take off, but then in the remaining 90 minutes which were
31 Post contains images globalflyer : I so wish the USA-CUBA embargo would be lifted and CU could fly into the USA with their Soviet eqpt. At least for a while until they could refleet Wha
32 Post contains images Superfly : This was probably the first time an IL-62 returned to a safe landing after this kind of an engine blow out. The other crash reports I am reading of t
33 chepos : I highly doubt that if the embargo were ever to be dropped the IL-96 or TU-204 would be warmly welcomed in MIA. The Cuban community in MIA would screa
34 Post contains links and images Superfly : Those hoodlums in south Florida have had their way far too long with US policy towards Cuba. Just look at how violent they can be over something as p
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