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Gol Applies For San Juan PR.  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Gol has applied with the DOT to commence service between Sao Paulo, Brazil, and San Juan, Puerto Rico, via intermediate point in Bogota, Colombia.
Gol proposes twice weekly service on 737NG or 767-300 equipment commencing in "2011".

OST-2010-0191


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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Interesting. After that Gol's caribbean network will be:

GIG-GRU-CCS-AUA - ThSu - 738
GIG-GRU-CCS-PUJ - TuSa - 738
GRU-MAO-SXM - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SJU - 2x weekly - 738/763 (probably 738)
GRU-BGI - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SDQ - MoWeFr - 738

Perhaps G3's next move in the region could be NAS, HAV or even MBG.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
GRU-CCS-SJU - 2x weekly - 738/763 (probably 738)

According to the application it would be GRU-BOG-SJU.
I trust that there will be trafffic allowed between BOG and SJU. That is a route that is currently not served, but that was in the past.

[Edited 2010-07-29 10:34:33]

User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
According to the application it would be via GRU-BOG-SJU.

My bad. I thought of BOG but wrote CCS. Thanks for the correction.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6234 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

BOG-SJU could support a twice weekly flight, if 5th freedoms are not allowed on the route then GOL will struggle as there is not much traffic between Brazil and Puerto Rico. CCS would have been a perfect stopover, however, with the tarnished political relationship between the US govt and Venezuela any new routes between the countries might not be granted (even if it's with an airline not based in either Venezuela or the US). Good luck to GOL if they indeed go ahead with this route, it's always nice to see more international traffic in SJU. the 738 would be perfect on the route as the 763 would be overkill.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

My question is when will GOL apply for MIA?  

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Will Gol move to a 2-class configuration on selected birds for its international flights?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
MBG.

Sorry, I obviously didn't mean MBG. I meant MBJ.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

It's said that G3 is getting close to AA, if it's so, interesting development that G3 plans to fly to SJU, one of AA hubs.
And If G3 get the 5th freedom rigths for BOG-SJU, that would improve loads. GRU-BEL-SJU would have sounded good too.



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6234 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

I doubt AA considers SJU a hub or that GOL plans on using this flight to connect passengers to other Caribbean Islands.This flight would cater to either passengers catching cruises in San Juan or people visiting Puerto Rico or vice versa (Puerto Ricans visitings Brasil or South America).

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
GIG-GRU-CCS-AUA - ThSu - 738
GIG-GRU-CCS-PUJ - TuSa - 738
GRU-MAO-SXM - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SJU - 2x weekly - 738/763 (probably 738)
GRU-BGI - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SDQ - MoWeFr - 738

And what about their first Caribbean destination that started at the same time as AUA? Doesn't CUR ring any bell?

A388


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
And what about their first Caribbean destination that started at the same time as AUA? Doesn't CUR ring any bell?

Sorry, couldn't find CUR in my schedule. My mistake.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
Interesting. After that Gol's caribbean network will be:

GIG-GRU-CCS-AUA - ThSu - 738
GIG-GRU-CCS-PUJ - TuSa - 738
GRU-MAO-SXM - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SJU - 2x weekly - 738/763 (probably 738)
GRU-BGI - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SDQ - MoWeFr - 738

GOL is recently heading to the Caribbean as quoted above.
At this time, CNF, GIG, GRU and even MAO -in a minor scale- are connected to whether AUA, PUJ, SJU and SDQ through PTY.
Maybe authorities of the airline discovered that fact and they are now targeting to this market.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 1):
GIG-GRU-CCS-AUA - ThSu - 738
GIG-GRU-CCS-PUJ - TuSa - 738
GRU-MAO-SXM - Sa - 738
GRU-BOG-SJU - 2x weekly - 738/763 (probably 738)
GRU-BGI - Sa - 738
GRU-CCS-SDQ - MoWeFr - 738

Perhaps G3's next move in the region could be NAS, HAV or even MBG.

CUR is missing from the list. I think HAV and MBJ are good options for future destinations. What about a destination in Central America? SJO or PTY?

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12):
GOL is recently heading to the Caribbean as quoted above.
At this time, CNF, GIG, GRU and even MAO -in a minor scale- are connected to whether AUA, PUJ, SJU and SDQ through PTY.

Surely GOL is taking market share from CM, although CM recently introduced a 3rd daily GRU flight.

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 5):
My question is when will GOL apply for MIA?

I think MIA is a matter of time. It will certainly come.

Rgs,

[Edited 2010-07-29 14:45:00]

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
I think MIA is a matter of time. It will certainly come.

where is going to be the stop for that one???                


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 13):
What about a destination in Central America? SJO or PTY?

The G3 code appears in one of the three daily CM PTY-GRU.
In my view, this is rather a shy interline agreement and the next step consists in G3 serving Panama City by means of their own planes.
COPA Airlines combines more than five daily flights to Brazil in average: CM PTY-GRU 21x weekly, CM PTY-GIG 7x weekly, CM PTY-CNF 5x weekly and CM PTY-MAO 4x weekly.
On the other hand, none of the Brazilian airlines is flying to PTY at this time.
VARIG in the past flew to the mentioned Central American stations: Panama City and San Jose.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
In my view, this is rather a shy interline agreement and the next step consists in G3 serving Panama City by means of their own planes.

I agree and Central America must be the next market for GOL, I consider both PTY and SJO as interesting possibilities.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 14):
where is going to be the stop for that one???

I am sure GOL would fly MIA nonstop.

Rgs,


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 16):

I am sure GOL would fly MIA nonstop.

If GOL will start MIA service I think they will use their Varig rights to do so. In that case they will probably use the 763 they currently have, that is IF they will still operate the aircraft by that time. The 763 they use now is temporarily taken up in their schedules and the use of it depends on how well their network performs to require a 763 operation.

A388


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3571 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 16):
I consider both PTY and SJO as interesting possibilities

It may be interesting taking into account the lack of flights linking Costa Rica and Brazil.
However, I don't think their 738s fully loaded may be capable to fly to Sao Paulo as non-stop flights.
Probably a layover will be compulsory as they are planning into their Caribbean allocations.

Regards.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Gol has applied with the DOT to commence service between Sao Paulo, Brazil, and San Juan, Puerto Rico, via intermediate point in Bogota, Colombia.
Gol proposes twice weekly service on 737NG or 767-300 equipment commencing in "2011".

That's quite a difference in capacity since (according to Wikipedia) GOL's 767s are all configured for vacation charters. But I can't get my head around Brasilians thinking San Juan beaches are as good as -- let alone being better than -- their beaches at home.

However GOL already has codeshare flights with AA. Business travel through SJU to the US east coast is certainly a possible explanation for this routing.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6234 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Not necessarily will the flight be catering to people heading to Puerto Rico, they might be catering to cruise traffic. The Brasilians who will be traveling to the Caribbean I'm sure are wealthy or at least can afford a cruise vacation so that is what Gol might be going after. As to codesharing with AA, with two weekly flights and 1 stop enroute I don't see this as connections to the US as being a big driver for this route (or maybe I'm wrong).

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
If GOL will start MIA service I think they will use their Varig rights to do so. In that case they will probably use the 763 they currently have, that is IF they will still operate the aircraft by that time. The 763 they use now is temporarily taken up in their schedules and the use of it depends on how well their network performs to require a 763 operation.

GOL B767 are configured in Y only, it could also be an excellent option for MCO.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 18):
However, I don't think their 738s fully loaded may be capable to fly to Sao Paulo as non-stop flights.
Probably a layover will be compulsory as they are planning into their Caribbean allocations.

They could combine SJO with a Caribbean destination or with a stop-over in BOG.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):
But I can't get my head around Brasilians thinking San Juan beaches are as good as -- let alone being better than -- their beaches at home.

SJO would be business traffic. MEX is another destination GOL could consider.

Quoting chepos (Reply 20):
Not necessarily will the flight be catering to people heading to Puerto Rico, they might be catering to cruise traffic.

Brazil has become the world's no. 5 cruise market, behind US, Canada, Germany, UK and Italy.

http://www.jornaldeturismo.com.br/no...abremarbrasilmercadocruzeiros.html


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 21):
GOL B767 are configured in Y only, it could also be an excellent option for MCO.

Okay thanks hardiwv, I wasn't aware of that.

A388


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 21):
Brazil has become the world's no. 5 cruise market, behind US, Canada, Germany, UK and Italy

Strange that there are no Caribbean cruises departing from Brazil itself yet, and that could be from Belém.

Quoting hardiwv (Reply 21):
SJO would be business traffic.

But SJO-GRU is a bit longer than the longest B737-700 route flown. SJO altitude may be an issue too for a non-stop flight. Info from http://www.gcmap.com

PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) 154.4° (SE) 2941 nm
SJO (9°59'38"N 84°12'32"W) GRU (23°25'55"S 46°28'10"W) 132.5° (SE) 2985 nm



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User currently offlinehardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 23):
Strange that there are no Caribbean cruises departing from Brazil itself yet, and that could be from Belém

Cruise market in Brazil has become massive and has taken a lot of traffic from airlines. On the other hand, it has also generated traffic because many pax have to fly to port of departure to board cruise. It is also common to see flight combination with cruise (you board the cruise at one destination and return by flight from another one).

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 23):
But SJO-GRU is a bit longer than the longest B737-700 route flown. SJO altitude may be an issue too for a non-stop flight. Info from http://www.gcmap.com

Hence the mention about stop-over. MEX was operated by RG in the pas via BOG and nonstop. In case MX folds I would see both JJ and G3 interested in such market.

Rgs,


25 EddieDude : I believe AeroMexico and Gol have an interline agreement (not sure if it is actually a codesharing agreement and also includes mileage accrual and re
26 hardiwv : I agree MEX-GRU is a top performer for AM, which explains why AM operates the route daily with the B772 on premium schedule, while MX, which had a bo
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