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Southwest Airlines Orders 25 Boeing 737 Jets  
User currently offlineaeropiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16696 times:

Southwest airlines replacing earlier 737 models with nextGen -700 models.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...rs-25-apf-2428128549.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16300 times:

25 new ones. Humm,..... 25 -500s in the fleet. Just saying......


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9211 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16171 times:

Quoting aeropiggot (Thread starter):
Southwest airlines replacing earlier 737 models with nextGen -700 models.

Smart on WN's part. Pax demand isn't quite there yet for them to increase their fleet just yet. At least they're cutting costs in the long run...



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16000 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 1):
25 new ones. Humm,..... 25 -500s in the fleet. Just saying......

purely coincidence I'm sure haha.

This is a good move I think. It will be good for them to have every plane "exactly the same" or as close to that as humanly possible..


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15891 times:

Don't suppose the new birds might have this newfangled interior I've read that Boeing's putting into newer 737s(?)...


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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15872 times:

And they didn't order the C-Series!!?????

User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1473 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15750 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 4):
Don't suppose the new birds might have this newfangled interior I've read that Boeing's putting into newer 737s(?)...

I was told NO since it's too $$$... even though AA, CO are getting it, I can't believe that we, The largest 737 customer in the world won't have it... it kind of peeves me because I think it's really amazing!



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15629 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 5):
And they didn't order the C-Series!!?????

Or the 737-900 either! How does WN make money with the 73G when the 738 has better RASM and CASM? They must no something others don't...  



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User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2356 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 6):
I was told NO since it's too $$$... even though AA, CO are getting it, I can't believe that we, The largest 737 customer in the world won't have it... it kind of peeves me because I think it's really amazing!

I second that emotion, I wish WN was getting it too, would certainly look nice too! Next year marks 40 years of flying for WN maybe we will see a new interior?    Not too much of a fan of the current one.



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User currently offlineEA772LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2836 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11796 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 7):
Or the 737-900 either! How does WN make money with the 73G when the 738 has better RASM and CASM? They must no something others don't...

Those pesky arm-chair CEOs...  Nice to see more new equipment in the WN fleet. I like the 73G personally. Getting tired of seeing 738 orders.



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User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10444 times:

I don't guess they're putting IFE into these birds. I love WN, but on a long flight I really need IFE.


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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10244 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
I don't guess they're putting IFE into these birds. I love WN, but on a long flight I really need IFE.

Have you considered F9 out of DCA?


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9741 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
on a long flight I really need IFE.

WN has few long flights. Still, as a frequent WN customer, I would certainly welcome IFE as well.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
on a long flight I really need IFE.

Read a book, look out the window, contemplate your navel. You NEED a television ?

And I must admit that I'm shocked, SHOCKED! by the news thatr WN has ordered 737s.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineYXwatcherMKE From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 4):
Don't suppose the new birds might have this newfangled interior I've read that Boeing's putting into newer 737s(?)...

I would be very surprised that they would go with the new "sky ceiling" interior because of the cost for the new interior.

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
I don't guess they're putting IFE into these birds. I love WN, but on a long flight I really need IFE.

Again I would be surprised that they would put in any type IFE on their birds. It costs a ton of money to put in the IFE other that WiFi, But I would be shocked if they did that. They are a no-frills airline that means no extras other than basic transportation.



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User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
I don't guess they're putting IFE into these birds. I love WN, but on a long flight I really need IFE.

Have you considered F9 out of DCA?


So far I've been able to book AA 737's, and they have IFE. It makes the trip a bit more bearable. I've considered F9, however.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
but on a long flight I really need IFE.


"Need" and "IFE"?

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 13):
Read a book, look out the window, contemplate your navel. You NEED a television ?

There's some suggestions, and all better Brain Food. Got an iPod? Walkman?



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User currently offlineCFBFrame From United States of America, joined May 2009, 531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 6):
I was told NO since it's too $$$... even though AA, CO are getting it, I can't believe that we, The largest 737 customer in the world won't have it... it kind of peeves me because I think it's really amazing!


Not just the higher cost, but having 25 a/c that have a different interior is costly too long term. Don't worry, you'll be getting a new interior soon when the replacement 737 arrives!!!!


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 14):
They are a no-frills airline that means no extras other than basic transportation.

Maybe 10 years ago, but... Why are their fares not much/if any better than legacies' any more? I mean, they have a low cost structure, no premium cabins or lounges to pay for, etc, and yet they're charging pretty much what everyone else does on most routes these days.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6739 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 18):
they're charging pretty much what everyone else does on most routes these days.

Very true, I find AA is usually cheaper, hell always much cheaper from TUS and even cheaper than driving to PHX to use WN. Then though, WN makes a better profit I suspect.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 19):
Very true, I find AA is usually cheaper, hell always much cheaper from TUS and even cheaper than driving to PHX to use WN. Then though, WN makes a better profit I suspect.

They do now, but at what long-term cost? I mean, I'd rather rack up FF miles on another carrier where I could use miles and/or status to upgrade or use on international trips, if all other things are pretty much equal. How is that sustainable for a "LCC/LFC"?



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
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Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 18):
Why are their fares not much/if any better than legacies' any more?

Savage cost-cutting at the legacies, for once, but on occasion, there can still be a significant difference in price if you're flying with your entire family and are checking in your kitchen sink in the hold.

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 18):
yet they're charging pretty much what everyone else does on most routes these days.

The traveling public, especially of the occasional kind, is still living under the perception that Southwest is the price leader, and many would-be passengers will look at Southwest only when that is their option, because they "know" that it couldn't be cheaper elsewhere, even though sometimes the difference between WN and legacy carriers is the cost of checking in a suitcase or even less nowadays.

Since it is no longer universally true (but not universally untrue either) that WN is the price leader, their challenge is two-fold:
-Maintain that perception for as many passengers as possible as long as possible;
-Add value to their existing fares so that overall the passenger who is aware that the difference in fare may not be what it used to be still finds it worthwhile. This is where "bags fly free" comes in, and I wouldn't be surprised if these shiny new planes they ordered came with free wifi...



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 21):
Since it is no longer universally true (but not universally untrue either) that WN is the price leader, their challenge is two-fold:
-Maintain that perception for as many passengers as possible as long as possible;
-Add value to their existing fares so that overall the passenger who is aware that the difference in fare may not be what it used to be still finds it worthwhile.

So true. Not only do those things need to be done, but they need to be broadcast far & wide. WN is scheduled to begin serving my home airport next year, and I'm losing hope that the true "Southwest Effect" will come to pass here. Our airport has a 60% + market leakage rate due to high fares. We NEED to bring those pax back home. I just compared BHM-LAS fares in late Sept on WN vs GSP-LAS on DL for the same time period, and the difference was negligible.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2502 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting aeropiggot (Thread starter):
Southwest airlines replacing earlier 737 models with nextGen -700 models.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...&.v=1

Good news for them, I suppose, although it's worth pointing out that the 73NG I flew (BWI-BDL) just last weekend was disgustingly filthy (crumbs on the aisle floor, seatbacks loaded with garbage) and suffered a busted starter valve, whereas the venerable 733 was clean and made the return trip without incident.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 7):
Or the 737-900 either! How does WN make money with the 73G when the 738 has better RASM and CASM? They must no something others don't...

Funny, I posted a thread on that very topic last week and was lambasted by WN-o-philes who opined WN wouldn't benefit from the larger birds due to driver training/quals and the need to add a FA to accomodate the extra pax. I still think it'd be a perfect match (and that's coming from someone that doesn't particularly like WN).

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User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 10):
I love WN, but on a long flight I really need IFE.

All I need for a domestic flight is my iPod Touch. I can download the TV shows, movies and games that I want beforehand. But.... Wi-Fi is nice to have. Isn't WN installing it in some of their a/c?


25 Post contains links planemaker : I'm trying to make sense of the article in the OP as it does not make sense that WN is "ordering" 25 73Gs since they already had 84 on order and 18 o
26 Blueman87 : it sure helps after i get bored with the ipod
27 YXwatcherMKE : As I said in my post WN..."They are a no-frills airline that means no extras other than basic transportation." I was not implying at any time that th
28 TSS : Interesting comparison. WN's BHM-LAS flight is non-stop, which might be worth a slight premium over DL from here. A quick check of both websites for
29 TSS : ... And I forgot to add the most important part in my previous post (not to mention the part that relates to this thread): With WN you always know wha
30 SPREE34 : More importantly, you know what Airline you are ACTUALLY flying on, and so, what service you can expect.
31 Post contains images cessna2 : I think i've about had enough of people saying WN is not like they used to...Their prices are soo high...Last time I checked Southwest's cost structur
32 PGNCS : This sounds like a very prudent decision, but while I understand that you (WNCrew) and others like the aesthetics of the new interior, if it costs mo
33 vegasplanes : I agree, out of 544 aircraft to have 25 seat 122 vs. 137 must be a bit of a pain in the rump......and the -500's are ~ 20 years old now, or will be b
34 GSPSPOT : Bo-ring.... LOL But seriously folks.... Eventually, WN will HAVE to update interiors. I mean, the currenty WN interiors were "new" at one point, righ
35 planemaker : Plus, the 500 is really not that much cheaper to operate than the 700 yet there is the big revenue upside on the 700.
36 PGNCS : Who says the pilots are having more fun? It's still a 737. Having said that, I have heard WN pilots complain about the -500 specifically. But more fu
37 planemaker : Although the 500 is lighter and has lower weight related fees, the 700 is more fuel efficient and has lower maintenance costs. Thus, on a short hope
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