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ATL-JAX, JAX-ATL Widebody Turns?  
User currently offlinedelta777lr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 16 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Wow - I can remember the days when DL used to turn L-1011's from ATL to JAX and back on a regular basis - AND keep them full! - a few times, I remember sitting on Biz Elite on the MD-11.....the jetway was really jacked up to get to the boarding door!!

Then - the retirement of the old-great L-10's came, and, at least there was still hope for widebody service on a short route with the 76's - then....slowly...the 75's showed up with a mix of MD-88's and 738's......now..I notice a mix of A319/320's starting...with RJ's....

For some reason, I either heard or remember reading that filling those old, wide birds on a short turn was a good use of the aircraft...Is that true? Also, wasn't JAX viewed as a "shuttle hub" - for many biz travelers who reside in JAX, and commuted out of ATL on a regular basis (I know I was one of those)....

No complaints here - just curious as to the possible thought/process or strategy.....did pax traffic drop off that much from JAX? - I can't remember the last time I had a flight from JAX-ATL with a significant # of empty seats....and I'm on that route dozens of times a year -

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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 16 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I think it was more a change in philosophies at DL. Mullin was a fan of sending the widebodies to FL, but often times to chase junk yields. When Grinstein took over, they realigned their philosophy in that regard. Heck, there used to be 777's to FLL!

User currently offlinedelta777lr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 16 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

That's so true - when DL first purchased the 777 - and received them in 1999 - I can remember them in Orlando - the old Ron Allen scheme.......taking all of those Disney fans back and forth with those growling RR engines!!! that should have been carrying high-fare paying pax overseas!!

User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1055 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 15 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting delta777lr (Reply 2):
That's so true - when DL first purchased the 777 - and received them in 1999 - I can remember them in Orlando - the old Ron Allen scheme.......taking all of those Disney fans back and forth with those growling RR engines!!! that should have been carrying high-fare paying pax overseas!!

The 777 flights between ATL & MCO were operated primarily between transatlantic turns, as a means to generate additional revenues for the aircraft (which would otherwise be idle in ATL) as well as provide crew familiarization for the new aircraft type.



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User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 15 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

I find myself missing DL using wide bodies on domestic flights more often now. DL used to always have 767s on SAN-ATL and now it's all 757s with a 767 for one flight when travel is at it's peak. I'm hoping that they will have that twin aisle jet to replace the 757 and hopefully we'll see more wide bodies on domestic routes but it seems like US airlines are choosing frequency over capacity.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 15 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting delta777lr (Thread starter):
No complaints here - just curious as to the possible thought/process or strategy.....did pax traffic drop off that much from JAX? - I can't remember the last time I had a flight from JAX-ATL with a significant # of empty seats....and I'm on that route dozens of times a year -

I don't know about JAX specifically but there are many routes that we could send widebodies on in the United system if we wanted to reduce frequency. The problem is that our customers prefer frequency to aircraft so they get what they want. If customers changed their needs and let airlines schedule less frequency it would make a lot of sense to send larger aircraft into cities that you would NEVER see them in today. The change is not so much that the aircraft isn't efficient enough to do the shorter hops its that our passengers want to choose between several departure times.



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User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 15 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

I remember when i worked there with ACA from 00-02 they'd get mix of 767's, L-1011's with 767-400/MD-11's as fill-ins. Back the JAX was the #1 non-hub city with the most Medallian customers. Is that still the case?

Desmond in ILM,



Desmond MacRae in ILM
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 14 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 3):

The 777 flights between ATL & MCO were operated primarily between transatlantic turns, as a means to generate additional revenues for the aircraft (which would otherwise be idle in ATL) as well as provide crew familiarization for the new aircraft type.

At one point just before they were yanked off the domestic side, MCO saw double daily T7s.



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User currently offlineDeltaDelta From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Delta in JAX to ATL is all mainly 757 and MD88's now days. There are a couple of 738's mixed into the crown once in awhile. No RJ's are doing JAX ATL all mainline aircrafts.

And yes, JAX is still considered as one of the top Medallion cities in the DL system.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

It seems hard to believe now, but I flew DL 767s into JAX as recently as the last couple of years. The MD88s are always seemingly oversold.

User currently offlinemetjetceo From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

I think the introduction and growth of Southwest across JAX anf Florida has taken some of that volume, too.

User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

I remember going to JAX from Denver on DL once and boarding a 767 in ATL. It was pretty full, but I was astonished to be on one. I also remember having an early morning flight out of JAX for the return to DEN through ATL (maybe 5 years now) and seeing a lot of DL widebodies, maybe 5, that had spent the night at JAX and were getting reading to go. It was stunning to think that there were that many folks going to and from JAX.

User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting DeltaDelta (Reply 8):

Yes

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):

Sounds like flight 1903 before it was downgraded to the 757, then later the 737-800. Most of our DL flights here in Jax were, at one point operated by Song. Those were the days....... IIRC, last tuesday, the flights were operated by a 767, 757,737, MD-80. Last Rj I saw was a while ago, but I have seen E190s here. Just my .02
-Wn



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