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Airbus To Increase A320 Production To 40/month  
User currently offlineCentre From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 490 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

Starting first quarter of 2012 from the current 34/month with a ramp up to 36 by December, 38 by August of next year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ly-a320-production-to-40-jets.html

[Edited 2010-07-30 01:14:46]


I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.
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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10164 times:

I think that's a good move to increase availibility. With the 737 and A320 so closely matched things like that must play an even bigger role.

User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

Airbus is reinvesting in the A320 series.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z160/keesje_pics/AirbusA321NEOconcept.jpg

Makes you think, TAM orders 25 A320!

So the lines is filled up again.. for 3 weeks..


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31439 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9909 times:
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Quoting cobra27 (Reply 4):
Just seems strange that half a year they were planning on reducing.

As Centre noted, the market can change on a dime - both negative and positive. Boeing has wracked up over 50 orders for the 737 in the past week and are increasing their own production rate to meet demand. And they shortened the period of the 777 production rate drop due to a spike in demand for the 77W and 77L.


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4884 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 9661 times:
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didn't IATA expect airlines this year to lose several billion when they issued a report in Jan, now they think they will make a profit this year, the economic recovery is starting and the OEMs will be ready

User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

Whats is happening with the production line in China, is that still in construction or have they done any A32X production there, or has it all be stopped and the project forgotten.

If anyone has any insight i'd love to know and i'm there is others that are interested

Matt



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9240 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 13):
Whats is happening with the production line in China, is that still in construction or have they done any A32X production there, or has it all be stopped and the project forgotten.

They have been in production now for a little over a year now, they built 22 aircraft in the first 12 months. The plan for 2012 is to deliver 48 aircraft from that plant.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8366 times:
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Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 13):
Whats is happening with the production line in China, is that still in construction
http://atwonline.com/aircraftengines...news/first-tianjin-a320-flies-0309

1st delivery of a Chinese produced A320, 18th May 2009...  

Rgds


User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

I was in Tianjin last year. Mostly European people everywhere and a steady supply chain from A320 subcontractors. The aim is to gradually increase Chinese content, workshare and production rates without taking risk on learning curves.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

Let's just stand back for a second and say what a marvellous achievement this is: forty jetliners of one type in a month; ok, the production is split between three centres (Tianjin, XFW and TLS), but even still, it is a remarkable achievement.

Has any other civilian aircraft achieved this - or any aircraft outside wartime production? Just to put it in perspective, only 37 Convair 990s (and 65 Convair 880s) were ever built; one month's A320 production (by the end of next year) will exceed the total production of 990s.

The 737 production, I believe, is around the 30/mth mark (perhaps someone can give the precise current figure): I don't think it has ever got near 40 per month. (There's a list of annual 737 production towards the bottom of this link):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Boeing said it will make 35 per month beginning in early 2012. It expected to produce 34 in May of this year (not sure if that happened?)....

[Edited 2010-07-30 10:30:26]


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User currently offlineCentre From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Let's just stand back for a second and say what a marvellous achievement this is: forty jetliners of one type in a month; ok, the production is split between three centres (Tianjin, XFW and TLS), but even still, it is a remarkable achievement.

And no work over the weekend... so that's about 22-25 business days a month. with 40 A320s/month, 8.5 (A330s,A340s)/month, and a planned production of 25-40 (not sure about the number) A380/year, are we looking at north of 600 ACs delivered by Airbus in 2012?
that's quite an achievement, considering the process each aircraft has to go through from supply chain parts, transporting parts (Air, Land and Sea), assembly, outfitting ( to customer specifications), testing ...etc.

Btw, how many flight test hours each aircraft has to do before delivery? and how many test pilot does Airbus have in order to meet the production?



I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7733 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Has any other civilian aircraft achieved this - or any aircraft outside wartime production? Just to put it in perspective, only 37 Convair 990s (and 65 Convair 880s) were ever built; one month's A320 production (by the end of next year) will exceed the total production of 990s.

For sure other civilian planes have been built quicker. For instance, the Cessna 172. Over 43,000 have been built since 1956. Do the math, and it works out to somewhere along the lines of 90 per month, not including the times where none were produced. Quite a few planes would probably be right up there, but I'm not going to do a whole bunch of math right now. If you wanted to check some more out, go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_produced_aircraft and do some basic math

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12599 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 12):
For sure other civilian planes have been built quicker. For instance, the Cessna 172. Over 43,000 have been built since 1956. Do the math, and it works out to somewhere along the lines of 90 per month, not including the times where none were produced

OK, OK, fair point - I meant civilian jetliners, specifically.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
Let's just stand back for a second and say what a marvellous achievement this is: forty jetliners of one type in a month; ok, the production is split between three centres (Tianjin, XFW and TLS), but even still, it is a remarkable achievement.

Let's not jingle the bells quite yet!
This is planned production in 2012. It's not given that Airbus will actually achieve this.
I remember Boeing tried to raise production across pretty much their whole product line (I think in sometimes during the 90's) and they suffered almost a melt-down.
I'm sorry that I dont remember all the details, but I'm sure someone can fill me in.

That being said I'm quite sure Airbus will make it.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9240 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 14):
This is planned production in 2012. It's not given that Airbus will actually achieve this.

On avarage it is "just" 2 additional aircraft per production line per month.



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

I wonder what maximum assembly capacity the Tianjin line has working normal hours. Is the building sized so that it is possible to assemble more than 4 per month without extending the hours the plant is open, say 6 or 8 pm with extra labour and equipment? If it is, I would imagine it would be cheaper to ramp up / ramp down assembly in China rather than in Europe.

User currently offlinesimpilot459 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

Quoting mffoda (Reply 10):
It expected to produce 34 in May of this year (not sure if that happened?)....

Boeing reports delivering 34 737s in June (from the O&D page on their website). I've heard they are thinking about increasing production rate even more, but for now are holding it at 34.

However, 40/month is still a very impressive number. It'll be interesting to see how it works out and if Boeing responds. Based on the article and the Boeing site, Boeing is a little behind with 222 deliveries in the first half to 250.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 9):
The 737 production, I believe, is around the 30/mth mark (perhaps someone can give the precise current figure): I don't think it has ever got near 40 per month

It was stable at 31/month for a while, then ramped to 34/month, and they're rumbling about going higher.

The new BCA CEO has stated very clearly that he wants to surpass Airbus in deliveries (among other things)...there's pretty much no possible way to do that without ramping 737 production again.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 14):
I remember Boeing tried to raise production across pretty much their whole product line (I think in sometimes during the 90's) and they suffered almost a melt-down.

That was in the late 90's...they tried to ramp too fast and basically broke the production system (too much work got out of sync). They ended up shutting all the lines down for a while (on the order of a couple of months) to straighten it all out.

Tom.


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

They need to give the A321 a longer wingspan.


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