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Australian Aviation Thread # 38  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 689 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22361 times:

Throughout thread 37, the following was discussed / mentioned / announced:

* Speculation Qantas will return 737 services to the Gold Coast and Launceston
* PacificFlier and their operations
* Tiger Airways to charge for conventional Airport check-in for those without baggage
* Discussion about Qantas' and Tiger Airways' flight and product offerings
* Air Austral set to introduce the 777-300ER to the Sydney market in 2011
* ATSB - Final report on the Qantas VH-QPI A330 HKG-SYD turbulence incident
* Strategic Airlines set to introduce Brisbane - Port Hedland - Bali services from August 3
* Air China to increase services to Australia with effect October 2010
* Qantas cabin crew - short and long haul comparison
* Perth - Darwin Qantas services to become part of the CityFlyer offering
* Air Asia to introduce A320 services from Darwin to Bali
* Qantas to expand its presence in the Pilbara significantly from Perth
* Qantas to introduce Melbourne - Port Hedland and increase Brisbane - Karratha to twice weekly
* Jetstar to receive its first 787s in mid-2012
* Jetstar to introduce Gold Coast and Melbourne - Queenstown (NZ) services
* Lion Air and their intentions to fly to Sydney and Perth
* Jetstar's chief and his call for a handling of all customs & immigration requirements in one port
* Regional Express voted the top performing regional carrier for a second year running
* Melbourne Airport's passenger figures and growth
* Talk about Rail services to Melbourne Airport and discussion about the existing facilities in BNE / SYD
* Tiger cutting capacity in August across the network
* Qantas announces a new Adelaide cabin crew base - discussion about other Qantas cabin crew bases
* Jetstar announces new Cairns and Melbourne to Auckland services
* Cargolux will suspend operations to Melbourne with effect 29 August
* Qantas launches its next-generation check-in system, with its debut in Perth on 29 July
* Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines set to introduce services from Sydney to Cobar
* Regional Express to cut select Adelaide - Port Lincoln services in light of increased competition
* Possible Jetstar 787 routes

Unofficial Qantas Group Fleet Information - www.qflyer.info

Cheers  

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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2155 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 22351 times:

Copied from the previous thread...


Quoting brad330 (Reply 192):
Brisbane-Tokyo

Jetstar currently fly OOL-NRT and OOL-KIX, having previously flown SYD-KIX-BNE-SYD so I would be a bit surprised if they did both BNE and OOL.

Quoting brad330 (Reply 192):
Cairns-Nagoya-London

Remember that CNS and OOL are currently mini-hubs when it comes Japan flights, with Jetstar domestic flights into and out of CNS to all mainland capital cities and flights to OOL from the eastern mainland capitals. Especially if Jetstar has/can get 5th freedom rights from Japan to Europe then I think it might work for them to turn a port in Japan into a European stopover point. Maybe even a mini-hub, especially if they can get some deal in the future to help a restructured JAL run a LCC arm.

I am totally biased, but it appears to me that Japan is becoming an increasingly popular tourist destination for Australians and it would be great to be able to incorporate it as a stopover for Europe trips. At the moment you can book such trips with JAL online, but seemingly not on the Qantas website, even though various OneWorld partners have Europe-Japan flights.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 22305 times:

Interesting, on 7 News Perth last night, they did a report on the huge increase in tourists traveling to Bali. One of the facts they stated was that there are 4 airlines pending approval to be granted operations PER-DPS. Is this true? What airlines could they be?

I'd be suprised if one of them isn't Lion Air.


User currently offlinepugsley From Australia, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22131 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 2):
One of the facts they stated was that there are 4 airlines pending approval to be granted operations PER-DPS.

I've heard Lion Air like yourself have expressed an interests, I've also heard Batavia Air want to serve PER-DPS with A319 (by october/november) and MEL/SYD-DPS with A332's.

I would assume the other two would be refering to Qantas request on behalf of Jetstar for extra capacity and the other may be Strategics application for further capacity.

They are the only airlines that have so far been rumoured to request to use the 4000 seat extra allocation recently announced.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22097 times:

A google search, and look what I found! 
Quote:
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=106977&nav=130

Indonesian Batavia to service Australia
Tuesday, 27 July 2010

Batavia Air (BTV) announced it will start direct services to Australia, offering daily flights from Denpasar to Perth on a date yet to be posted.

"We are so pleased that we can now offer our services to the Western Australian market," BTV director Hasudungan Pandiangan said.

"Bali is always a popular destination for the Western Australians and we are proud to finally service Perth in our network."

The airline will target the young adult and family market, hoping to posit itself as the "value-added airline" Mr Pandiangan added.

The announcement comes after the Bilateral Air Service Agreement between Indonesia and Australia was amended to give airlines from each country an extra 4,000 seats per week.

BTV will use the additional capacity to service Perth, with plans to move into Sydney and Melbourne at a later date.

The Perth service will use BTV's Airbus A319, while the airline will operate its brand new A330-200 for Sydney and Melbourne.
The daily flight schedule will see planes arrive into Perth at 7.05am, departing for Bali an hour later for an arrival into Denpasar before midday

Also,

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...ya-mandala-lion-air--airasia/page1

According to this article, the five airlines competing for a share of the 4000 extra weekly seats are:

Batavia (Daily DPS-PER, possible DPS-SYD/MEL)
Sriwijaya Air (Would have to be DPS-PER or DPS-DRW)
Lion Air (PER-DPS, DPS-SYD/MEL?)
Indonesia AirAsia (4 x weekly DPS-DRW)
Mandala Airlines (PER-DPS?)

The PER-DPS market has skyrocketed over the last year! 52 weekly flights (excluding the ones listed above) and on average - approx. 1000 weekly travelers (this almost triples during the peak seasons)


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22074 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 4):
The PER-DPS market has skyrocketed over the last year! 52 weekly flights (excluding the ones listed above) and on average - approx. 1000 weekly travelers (this almost triples during the peak seasons)

Yields must be really taking a beating on that route. From a 2 airline operation to what it is now, it is a massive increase in available capacity. To fill those seats, prices must be falling through the floor.


User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 22051 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
Yields must be really taking a beating on that route. From a 2 airline operation to what it is now, it is a massive increase in available capacity. To fill those seats, prices must be falling through the floor.

I know for a fact AirAsia is doing extremely well on the route, even before commencing their innaugral service they upped the frequency to 2 x daily! Right now they have the highest number of frequencies on the route - 3 daily services between PER and DPS.

I've been at the airport twice in the last week and AirAsia's check in queue for the Denpasar flights is always very long! Garuda seems to be struggling a little bit. I won't even mention Strategic!


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 22014 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 5):
Yields must be really taking a beating on that route. From a 2 airline operation to what it is now, it is a massive increase in available capacity

One thing I have been led to belive, is that QF is replacing the on the PER DPS from JQ to 3K. So that goes from an Australian based crew to an Asian based crew.

That should help them a little bit



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21981 times:

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 6):
I've been at the airport twice in the last week and AirAsia's check in queue for the Denpasar flights is always very long! Garuda seems to be struggling a little bit. I won't even mention Strategic!

Strategtics move was a strange one to attempt such a strong route, with a cost structure that would be hardly ideal. GA also would struggle to compete with a LCC's business model, as it would have higher overheads, with little J class premium to make up the difference.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):
One thing I have been led to belive, is that QF is replacing the on the PER DPS from JQ to 3K. So that goes from an Australian based crew to an Asian based crew.

That should help them a little bit

Certainly is a smart move. It is about the only way that JQ were ever going to be able to sustain its services profitably.

If those moves are being made now to keep things going, add in all the other planned capacity. Its a bloodbath.

It all sounds great at first, until many get hurt  


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21755 times:

According to travelbiz.com.au a while back, GA were going to reduce DPS-PER from three two flights a day - so obviously they are already feeling the effects of excess capacity.
I just cannot understand how a city of some 1.5 million people can sustain such great demand for Bali vacations.

I am kind of hoping that these airlines will look at opening other city pairs other than DPS-PER. PER could do with direct flights to Surabaya, and maybe even Medan or Yogyakarta (a few times a week)
Going to MEL or SYD will make more sense than PER.
Do all these other airlines really want to look at PER with so much competition already?

I really think Strategic will do well with its Port Hedland-Bali flights, and here's hoping they can build these up to a few frequencies a week.


User currently offlinepilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21554 times:

Something I've noticed lately PER-KTA-PER on DJ is being operated by 737's instead of E190's and this has been happening a lot. Tonight I've lucked out and got a 737 as well, just done online check in.

Anyone know if this is a permanent change on the afternoon flights or E190's going u/s or the demand there?

Cheers



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21531 times:

MEL-YVR with a 788? That's a bit of a stretch. Still air Range is 14200-15200km while great circle distance is 13185km. I'm not sure how it translates to ESAD though.

SYD-LAS - Not sure why this is dreaming.
MEL-SFO - As someone else said, this would steal from SYD-SFO, so would work out better if there was some sort of downgrade on SYD-SFO. Or JQ could do both with 788s. Doesn't seem likely until a few more 788s come in.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 21523 times:

Quoting pilotdude09 (Reply 10):
Something I've noticed lately PER-KTA-PER on DJ is being operated by 737's instead of E190's and this has been happening a lot. Tonight I've lucked out and got a 737 as well, just done online check in.

Anyone know if this is a permanent change on the afternoon flights or E190's going u/s or the demand there?

Cheers

It is a definite change for their afternoon flights - check out the schedules on their website. It's showing in their schedules through to atleast the middle of next year, including a third flight on some days.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 21454 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 11):
SYD-LAS - Not sure why this is dreaming.

Quite easy to say why it is dreaming, or definately not likely to be a priority. It would steal traffic from QF (LAX and SFO), on what is already a very competitive market. Unless QF were looking to downsize service to give JQ SYD-LAS, it will not happen. It could only handle 2-3 weekly service at best, which would be very hard to make work, particularly with a lower higher yielding pax market.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 11):
MEL-SFO - As someone else said, this would steal from SYD-SFO, so would work out better if there was some sort of downgrade on SYD-SFO. Or JQ could do both with 788s. Doesn't seem likely until a few more 788s come in.

Both good points. MEL-SFO can work and will eat into SYD-SFO to start with, but it would give a better balance of services, also giving QF/JQ an advantage over UA on the Aus-SFO route. Moving both to JQ could help the routyes overall performance, given the cost structure that it has. It would have a better balanced and higher yielding market than LAs would be though.

I am still surprised that QF and JQ fly SYD-HNL. It seems very strange to have both flying on a lower yielding route.

[Edited 2010-07-31 22:06:42]

[Edited 2010-07-31 22:09:58]

User currently offlinepilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21421 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 12):

It is a definite change for their afternoon flights - check out the schedules on their website. It's showing in their schedules through to atleast the middle of next year, including a third flight on some days.



Thanks yeah my time tables were playing up on this PC but turns out is was the anti banner thing on the anti virus.

Very interesting they have a 3rd flight W, T, F coming online in the next few months. Obviously the demand is there for the 737 on the afternoon flight anyway  Smile

[Edited 2010-07-31 22:40:42]


Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21414 times:

Well, I would agree that routes like MEL/BNE-NRT and SYD-HNL are likely to be more of a priority for JQ as compared to SYD-LAS. I can't imagine that QF are still flying SYD-HNL because they want to. Probably aren't enough A332s at JQ to increase the service so that QF don't need to fly it.

User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21319 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 15):
I can't imagine that QF are still flying SYD-HNL because they want to. Probably aren't enough A332s at JQ to increase the service so that QF don't need to fly it.

Alan Joyce is on record saying that SYD-HNL is very profitable for QF. Whilst I completely support the Jetstar model, it has to be recognised that there is a market of people wanting to fly QF to certain leisure destinations.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21055 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 15):
Well, I would agree that routes like MEL/BNE-NRT and SYD-HNL are likely to be more of a priority for JQ as compared to SYD-LAS. I can't imagine that QF are still flying SYD-HNL because they want to. Probably aren't enough A332s at JQ to increase the service so that QF don't need to fly it.

I think that the only market between MEL and NRT would be business, with very small amount of leisure however this is just a guess, I can't imagine a JQ flight would be supportable there simply isn't the leisure traffic there, at a guess again. I think personally next round of QF international expansion once 787s are delivered will see MEL-NRT and MEL-PVG, perhaps MEL-SFO I just can't see JQ going onto these routes! An increase in MEL-BKK on the other hand…

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 16):
Whilst I completely support the Jetstar model, it has to be recognised that there is a market of people wanting to fly QF to certain leisure destinations.

I completely agree!! MEL-SFO is certainly one of those markets in my opinion, leisure but with a preference for QF, I doubt we will see JQ touch that, just my uninformed opinion though!
lol


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21035 times:

Also any updates about BI? According to a mate of mine the interviews for MEL have been indefinitely postponed.

There seems to be no issue with government approval if I am reading the below documents correctly:
According to this document (page 10) http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ster_available_capacity_150710.pdf they are permitted 27 weekly services :

AVAILABLE CAPACITY:
PASSENGER CAPACITY ENTITLEMENTS
To/from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth:
26 services per week
From November 2009: 27 services per week
To/from points other than Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth:
Unrestricted capacity, frequency and aircraft type.

According to this document http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/avi...ional/files/NS_2010_TT_Summary.pdf
(page 1) BI have taken up only:

11 services per week;
BWN to PER x 5
BWN to BNE x 6

Are they having issues with receiving their 777s from SQ on time? Seems like they were quiet advanced in their plans with scheduled interviews and the likes then nothing?

On a similar note still no schedule for AI has been released...


User currently offlinethefuture From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20921 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 11):
MEL-YVR with a 788? That's a bit of a stretch. Still air Range is 14200-15200km while great circle distance is 13185km. I'm not sure how it translates to ESAD though.

SYD-LAS - Not sure why this is dreaming.

Anything that avoids awful LAX would be popular, even low frequency, eg.

BNE/LAS
BNE/YVR (which is veyr difficult/messy/expensive at present)

Would BNE/DEN or more importantly DEN/BNE be beyond workable range ?


User currently offlinegstepho From Australia, joined Apr 2010, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20817 times:

I would have though QF/JQ would be more proactive in incresing flights out of Brisbane to Asia. Brisbane only has QF flights to SIN, HKG and MNL and no JQ flights.
Flights that may work
BNE-BKK
BNE-KUL
BNE-PVG
BNE-SGN
BNE-DPS

[Edited 2010-08-01 20:18:59]

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 5766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 20765 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 15):
I can't imagine that QF are still flying SYD-HNL because they want to. Probably aren't enough A332s at JQ to increase the service so that QF don't need to fly it.

I'm not basing this on anything, but that route must be making money for QF for them to still be on it. If the problem was simply a lack of available aircraft then surely it couldn't be too hard to make, for example, one of the two daily PER-SIN flights a 767 and then paint an A330 orange. Don't forget that Hawaii is a "premium" tourist destination which attracts a fairly wealthy class of clientele.

Quoting gstepho (Reply 20):
I would have though QF/JQ would be more proactive in incresing flights out of Brisbane to Asia

I agree. At some point BNE is going to need decent links to China (at least we'll soon get CAN). The same can be said for PER. That there will be flights to PEK and PVG from the mining boom states must surely be something of an inevitability?



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 20710 times:

Quoting gstepho (Reply 20):
Flights that may work
BNE-BKK
BNE-KUL
BNE-PVG
BNE-SGN
BNE-DPS

BNE-BKK - Possible, but TG already struggles on these routes, with fairly low yielding fares
BNE-KUL - This would just compete with D7's OOL-KUL service, which JQ has an alliance with
BNE-PVG - Very possible
BNE-SGN - Not so sure at this stage on this one.
BNE-DPS - There seems to be enough capacity on this one, particularly with GA looking to start it also.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 20702 times:

Quoting gstepho (Reply 20):
I would have though QF/JQ would be more proactive in incresing flights out of Brisbane to Asia. Brisbane only has QF flights to SIN, HKG and MNL and no JQ flights.
Flights that may work
BNE-BKK
BNE-KUL
BNE-PVG
BNE-SGN
BNE-DPS

JQ already do BNE-DPS - the flight takes a stop in DRW, for both fuel and pax who are connecting from SYD and MEL. Here in BNE, we are more likely to longer-haul flights from QF instead of JQ - JQ is already into OOL which is not too far to the south. IMHO, it would be JQ out of OOL and QF out of BNE into the Asian ports.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2084 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20587 times:

SYD-LAS on JQ, although a very long-thin leisure route, would possibly work, simply because:
a) there is sufficient demand for LAS- the destination has enough draw power/attractions for people to spend a week there
b) the airport fees would presumably be subsidised
c) crew accommodation costs are very, very low. Think The Greek Isles Hotel... don't laugh... that's where bmi put their crew!


25 jetfuel : Not only that but it's not hard to connect to most places in the USA via LAS. People forget that not everybody is flying to LAX as a destination
26 AirbusA322 : Their is no alliance. It was to dampen down the Tiger IPO, which had no impact because it was pretty obvious what they were trying to do, dampen it d
27 IndianicWorld : Even if that is the case, BNE has no longer haul operations anymore by JQ. Those flights were moved to OOL. It would need to be a major change by JQ
28 thefuture : LAS would work, but JQ needs to get off the SYD centric thing that QF is stuck on. Anyway, many Australians now do the packages to LAX on various air
29 Post contains links jetfuel : Tiger does it again. Keeping up the wonderful PR and customer care "Many of the passengers have reportedly turned Brisbane Airport into a makeshift ca
30 thefuture : So passengers didn't read the emails they were sent telling them about new flight time. What does this have to do with the airline ? More about how s
31 jetfuel : You think that all these people turned up and ignored their alleged emails? When were the emails sent? It's obvious people either didn't receive the
32 IndianicWorld : I would have to agree with that. A single email, at an unspecified time, really does not cut it. If they had peoples numbers, they would have attempt
33 eta unknown : I choose not to have 24/7 access to e-mail... I guess I'm stupid?
34 tk747 : Sorry if this has already been discussed but does anyone have some opinions on the Jetstar Cadetship. I've been reading a few topis on PPrune and pret
35 thegeek : Great points. And there is also a market for cheap fares there, which would explain JQ flying it. Perhaps we will see this continue in the future. I
36 CHCalfonzo : Don't read PPrune, it will rot your mind. I've never read anything positive or constructive on that website.
37 tk747 : Thanks for the tip. I have been reading it quite a bit and its put serious doubts in my mind about applying for the JQ cadetship. People are not only
38 jetfuel : Consider that Australian owned companies have to compete with foreign companies. Most of Holden's cars are now made in Korea. They are forced to sour
39 tk747 : Those are my thoughts exactly and therefore I was struggling to understand what all these PPRUNERS were going on about. They need to face up reality.
40 jetfuel : Thanks, I am glad somebody else sees the reality. If you want a careeer in aviation pay for your own education the same way that a doctor, accountant
41 thefuture : hey you said it. You can't fly these days without email.
42 jetfuel : Really? Less than 60% of Australian's have internet access on a regular basis and less than 15% have email access via mobile phones. So how do the 40
43 ANstar : So do most of us.... It is commonly known as the whinging pilots forum.
44 QFYMML : Has anyone seen my horse? I could have sworn I heard his familiar whinny.
45 thefuture : Never !!! If you've flown TT, you know there's very little difference cf. JQ (used to be called Junkstar) because people want the low fares, but want
46 thegeek : What a stupid argument. Moreover, Tiger's claims beggar belief. Only 6 people made the flight while they claim every effort was made to contact the a
47 bookishaviator : As others have already said, don't give too much heed to what is posted in PPRuNe. That place seems to be full of people who find it difficult to pos
48 tk747 : Thanks for your advice. I think a cadetship is more suited to me then working my way through general aviation. The main issue for me is being able to
49 747m8te : Oh please...TT is a far less organised LCC then JQ... And by the sounds of things you don't fly QF much...they are still very much a full service air
50 eta unknown : Guess the poor Tigercub staff weren't trained on how to leave voicemail. I'd hate to think what thefuture for Tiger Airways holds... maybe another awe
51 jetfuel : Rumour spreading about Tiger "Heard that CASA have stopped them in their tracks and won't let them get anymore aircraft in Oz for the foreseeable futu
52 thefuture : You can now fly to MNL much cheaper from Australia. Saw an ad this am for return flights including all taxes/charges for AUD$699 for individuals &
53 IndianicWorld : That is very concerning. Must be major issues if it is true.
54 thefuture : storm in a teacup !!! Tiger is in fast expansion mode. Lastly rumour is they are going into NZL. Not TT but the Tiger group. Somebody at Tiger, proba
55 DavidByrne : Oh well, I'm glad that's sorted, and I'm so glad we have people on A-net who're obviously really well-informed about things like this and can put our
56 thefuture : Hey it's a rumour !!! Probably started by someone at QF, DJ, or JQ.
57 Post contains images jetfuel : Yes it is a rumour. Just wait and see what happens in the next few months. Fact is The Civil Aviation Safety Authority suspended the air operators' c
58 smi0006 : I was reading the following article from the Australian on the 30th of July and it got me thinking, with QFLink interested in the C-series, Mitsubish
59 thefuture : & if CASA took unwarranted action against SIN backed Tiger, then Australian airlines flying thru SIN might run into big problems there.
60 gemuser : Good grief! I totally agree with you! The key word in your statement is "UNWARRANTED". I doubt htey will take unwarranted action aganist Tiger (Oz),
61 ditzyboy : The correct term is 'QD'. These people are employed by Qantas Domestic Pty Ltd. (QD) I always feel compelled to correct that. *steps off soapbox*
62 smi0006 : Sorry I never realised, I simply assumed that they simply changed the A in QCCA to QCCD when they formed the domestic contingent. I will do my best t
63 Post contains links and images QF175 : In today's Australian. Source
64 Post contains images ditzyboy : Please, no need to apologise. My own colleagues get it wrong and it annoys me!
65 thegeek : But I wasn't joking there. Only joke is Tiger's performance, and anyone defending it.
66 747m8te : Yes...you may have been joking...but the sad thing is it wouldn't be too far from the truth! LOL Oh and TT say they emailed pax...doesnt mean they ac
67 Post contains links alangirvan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_261/2004 In Europe, they have been there, done that so far as airlines like Tiger are concerned. This EU reg s
68 thefuture : Yes & LCC like Ryanair are either fighting stupid regs or ignoring them. Let's face it the European Parliment is a complete joke. Any sorts of pa
69 kiwiandrew : How many of those airlines bring the time of the flight forward , rather than delaying it ? Delaying it does not increase the chances of pax missing
70 alangirvan : Ryanair is not ignoring this reg - they quote it on their site. There was another UK LCC which fiddled with this reg, and told passengers that they c
71 RyanairGuru : And what exactly are you basing that on? Have you got any quantative proof on this. The introduction of the EU legislation certainly didn't send fare
72 thefuture : Contingency costs !!! Look at the volcano debacle. Why airlines didn't just ignore the incompetent CAA & just fly anyway, I don't know. You can't
73 RyanairGuru : Because they would probably have had their operating licenses revoked for blatantly ignoring a safety directive, flying through closed airspace, and
74 thefuture : just got an email about BR dunping seats to Europe. Under $1600 to Paris return including all taxes/charges for example, with departure dates right th
75 thegeek : While there is always dead weight in the public service, the majority of people do good work, and in some cases for not much pay compared to the priv
76 jetfuel : Fares to Europe are available with many carriers around that price. Korean are doing almost all their European destinations for a bit over $1500 Retur
77 oneworld77 : Whooah there champy, when they ignore them they're taken to court and the pax charter and declaration has kept fares very low...I can still travel fr
78 Weebie : Anyone know if the Perth-London and Sydney-New York V Australia are going to get the direct routes in 2011??
79 ANstar : Given they dont have an aircraft capable I would say NO.
80 jetfuel : Definitely NO plans. These routes show no potential profits, even if they had a/c for the service
81 alangirvan : People have been obsessed with doing PER-LHR as a non stop, when at the moment I do not think there is even a same-plane service on the route. There
82 jasond : Not for a long time as I can remember, even back to say the late 80's. When code share services became the norm people got annoyed at this, they woul
83 alangirvan : Wll, BA operated LHR-SIN_PER under the JSA wih BA/QF flight numbers. Qantas did have some interesting routings out of PER. There was a short lived PER
84 ditzyboy : In the 70s-80s there was the BA services that came down through Middle East and Asia, before heading PER-MEL-AKL. You'd be exhausted if MEL or AKL wa
85 Airvan00 : In 1978 I travelled LHR-BOM-PER on QF8. The aircraft (742) went on to MEL and then SYD
86 alangirvan : In the 70s BA had a flight that went LHR-BOM-PER-MEL-AKL twice weekly. BA promoted it as the only same plane service between AKL and LHR. The most pop
87 ANstar : Not enough profit in it... I mean the Gulf and Asian carriers pretty much have the PER-Europe services stitched up.
88 thegeek : Re: SYD-JFK It would make far more sense for DL to fly SYD-JFK as they have the aircraft for it. Given that they aren't doing that, I think that shoul
89 Post contains images allrite : Is it possible to get tickets with any foreign carriers between SYD - MEL or vice versa? How would you go about it and are they usually reasonably pri
90 jetfuel : Foreign carriers have no domestic rights, so sorry you cant. The only way is if you are an international passenger on an international tag on
91 pilotdude09 : Howdy, Experienced the 'Next Generation QF Checkin' yesterday in Perth. The amount of machines they have is unreal, it's going to be a hell of a lot e
92 ZuluAlpha : I must be out of the loop. Apologies if I sound silly, but I have not heard anything about a new terminal building at PER. Any more details that you
93 zkpilot : The PER master plan is for an extension of the Intl terminal to accomodate a domestic terminal for the airlines. The existing domestic terminals will
94 allrite : Thanks. I realise that I must be confusing current policy with what I read about the 1989 pilots strike when (as I understand it) foreign carriers we
95 IndianicWorld : I thought the Mining ops would move to Terminal WA, over near the International Terminal.
96 ditzyboy : UA carried domestic pax SYD-MEL-SYD during post-Ansett collapse. PX also carried domestic pax BNE-SYD-BNE.[Edited 2010-08-09 22:48:04]
97 Post contains links Boof : Foreign carriers can have domestic rights, it is simply a case of if they choose to apply for them and if the government authority grants them. Look
98 Post contains links MilesDependent : What is the latest on Air India's MEL-DEL nonstop service? There are a few articles floating around, eg, http://www.indiannewslink.co.nz/index.php/fro
99 smi0006 : Someone in the Indian aviation thread stated that things were to be firmed up in the coming weeks, they even had some times posted not sure how accur
100 Post contains links jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/business/brea...-fall/story-e6frfkur-1225904225093 QANTAS Airways has posted a 4.3 per cent fall in annual net profit to $112 m
101 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Lets hope they get their act together soon. It was announced a while back now, and the stated start date is raipdly approaching. It will be good to s
102 ZuluAlpha : I know several services in October and November to both the USA and UK have been cancelled due, to what I have read was excess capacity and maintenan
103 thefuture : On US routes, QF seems to have made the decision to let poor old UA & DL bee the bottom feeders (most Australians won't fly US carriers unless th
104 Post contains links eta unknown : On what fare- surely not on the cheap BULA saver? Interesting story in yesterday's Sydney Morning Herald about Strategic's bitching at losing the Mid
105 IndianicWorld : This airline/aviation services provider really does seem to be a marginal exercise. The fact that they are chasing routes like crazy, including PER-D
106 thefuture : On virtually all FJ fares ex Australia except N class. So, usually, if anything left in peak season, eg. mid DEC-mid JAN departures, these are usuall
107 alangirvan : * Strategic Business Class features 42 seats with up to 62 inch seat pitch, and a seat width of 22 inches. Economy * Spacious economy class seating, c
108 eta unknown : Very interesting point mentioned above: lease the 330 to V Australia to operate a series of NAN/HKT flights that would free up the 773's to do more LA
109 IndianicWorld : That is actually a smart idea, however product inconsistency could become an issue. To bring the product up to scratch onboard, the costs would be hi
110 eta unknown : Agreed- the interior would need to be revamped, but don't go overboard with bars and LED lighting.
111 IndianicWorld : The issue is though that they use those elements as part of their product, so not adding them would actually not go down well. What they can not do i
112 Post contains links and images jetfuel : http://www.mvariety.com/201008122926...c-flier-suspends-palau-flights.php It looks like Pacific Flier is on its way out "Australia-based airline Pacif
113 IndianicWorld : I really do not understand why people did not see it coming. It never had a viable business plan, which some disputed at the start when I, and a few o
114 thefuture : only time will tell. Do wish though that someone at Pacific Flier would come out & say what happened. Has 310 gone back to Portugal ? Did they ha
115 IndianicWorld : Combi maybe, but we do not know the frieght yields either. LF% for both freight and pax traffic are hard to judge profits from.
116 Post contains links jetfuel : Palau's PacificFlier relooks business plan after suspension http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...usiness-plan-after-suspension.html Extract "The car
117 thefuture : Sure. airticle says ... "Replacement aircraft have been sourced and applications will be made to regulators to place the new aircraft on the charter
118 Post contains links gardermoen : Vietnam Airlines flies charters to ADL. Source: http://australianaviation.com.au/vie...lines-to-fly-charters-to-adelaide/ Promising future route perha
119 thefuture : Presume they are combining dead legs(1st in ADL & last out of ADL) with scheduled offerings via where ?
120 eta unknown : Virgin Update: 1. Pacific Blue NZ domestic operations will cease Oct. 18 2. Pacific Blue will take over V Australia SYD-NAN flights (HKT flights unaff
121 Post contains links Boof : This has been posted in the NZ forum but I thought I'd share it here: Virgin ditches NZ after losing millions http://www.theage.com.au/business/vi...
122 eta unknown : Now the big question is, if SYD-LAX is retimed will the aircraft spend the whole day at LAX or return as a southbound daylight flight (these were neve
123 Boof : Assuming an arrival in LAX around 0700 and return daylight departure from LAX around 1120 that would mean an arrival back at SYD at 20:05. That is pu
124 IndianicWorld : Great move to cut the loses in NZ. I never understood why the bothered in the first place. The other changes are smart, especially NAN, so his initial
125 AusA380 : The early departure from LAX would also have connections from midwest and east coast USA, so my bet is on the LAX departures staying about the same.
126 IndianicWorld : With traffic rights unlikely to be granted, it would e hard to see it work. If they could gain traffic rights on LAX-Canada and return then it would
127 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...passenger-growth-at-Melbourne.html Asia drives record passenger growth at Melbourne Aug 16, 2010 Melbourne Airp
128 airbusa322 : Far overdue. I flew PB Domestic mid/late last year nearly a dozen times around NZ and 20/30 pax were the standard. One AKL-WLG flight hit 10 folks on
129 thefuture : isn't tiing of this a bit weird with announcement re proposed dodgy alliance with NZ a few months away or have they been told something ?
130 vhqpa : I just flew in from TSV this afternoon and I noticed there were several billboards around DJ's terminal in BNE suggesting the terminal will be refurbi
131 IndianicWorld : Could well be, but who knows. It was time to move on either way.[Edited 2010-08-16 03:27:36]
132 Post contains links thefuture : Annoucement today on PF's website. http://www.pacificflier.com/news/interruption-of-services Hope they get going soon. The longer it drags out, the l
133 smi0006 : With such a significant increase from Japan and China, is there any chance we could see QF reintroduce NRT and PVG from MEL again before the 787s arr
134 airbusa322 : Jetstar are launching two new routes according to the sale page on their website. OOL-PER BNE-PER.
135 thefuture : Wonder why these routes took so long, esp. the latter with only QF & DJ on them. Must be prime TT routes as well, especially now that TT flies to
136 thegeek : Re: LAX-YVR Before AC had a SYD-YVR direct flight with the 77L, there used to be a seasonal tag on from the QF SYD-SFO flight to YVR. Once AC had the
137 IndianicWorld : We can only hope that someone starts them. Japan is a huge gap in our destination list. Who knows what is going on there. It is the same with AI, who
138 IndianicWorld : Does anyone still fly OOL-PER? I know that one airline did a while ago, but am unsure about now. BNE-PER is a good idea.
139 thefuture : Nope, but with apparently huge differences in airport charges between BNE & OOL, OOL might steal more traffic from BNE.
140 Post contains links thefuture : UA giving away seats again form AUD$928 return OZ/LAX. They do seem to be able to sell seats at any decent yield or always seem to be dragging everyon
141 IndianicWorld : The route is a bloodbath, which is performing decetly from a LF% POV, but yields are shot. The actual realistic demand is lower and this will be foun
142 Post contains links tayser : DJ MEL-DPS and MEL-CHC going daily: http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/N...xpands-services-in-Melbourne-.html
143 IndianicWorld : Its a fair upgrade, especially so soon for the DPS flights (5 to 7 weekly), as they start just about straight away.
144 thefuture : Labor to increases taxes for everyone departing Australia. Question is how much ? Country is completely broke, thanks to Labor, so might be a big incr
145 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Damn. It may boost domestic tourism though instead Both major parties are out of touch with reality unfortunately. They both have so many flawed poli
146 thefuture : Whoever wins, there's got to be massive cutbacks in govt spending everywhere, to pay back our massive debt (many people seem to think it's govt debt,
147 IndianicWorld : All correct. Canberra/ACT will surely be in the firing line, in terms of job losses and loss of confidence. It is the problems will public sector cit
148 thefuture : Hope the $47 departure tax doesn't increase too much, BUT they have got to find money somewhere. Thing is, it's the same whether going to NZL or USA/
149 Post contains links jetfuel : A few articles in today's press worthy of discussion - Fair use extract included http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...tstar/story-e6frg95x-122590744
150 vhqpa : It has just been reported on a couple of local websites that CASA won't let Tiger get anymore new aircraft. As a result from 10 November Tiger is clos
151 thegeek : That was rumored above. Is there any reason given?
152 Aware : Australia does not have a large amount of public debt and so can we please stop with the economically illiterate argument that debt is bad. If you won
153 thefuture : No, because as you don't sem to understand, public debt needs to be paid back with interest & this means higher interest rates which will effect
154 Marara : Word is that TT is closing their ADL base.
155 thefuture : No confirmation. Probably rumour started by JQ, DJ or QF or games playing with airport to get charges down.
156 jetfuel : Tiger is losing money and have a number of serious issues. Business people DO NOT fly Tiger. They need relaible service, not cancelled flights and sp
157 IndianicWorld : The ADL base has been rumoured to be struggling for a while now. TT are reported to have asked the SA govt for more incentives to keep the base optio
158 jetfuel : Its a very significant cut from Adelaide by Tiger ADL-BNE-ADL totally axed ADL-OOL-ADL totally axed ADL-SYD-ADL cut ADL-MEL-ADL cut from 4 daily to 1
159 Post contains links QF175 : Brisbane Airport breaks monthly passenger record Source Recently Melbourne, now Brisbane.. nice to see positive signs! Cheers
160 ZuluAlpha : Are the rumours of the 2nd parallel for BNE still floating about?
161 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Ryanair also has that same kind of strategy. It is a PR positive approach, which tries to create an illusion that all routes are a success in the pub
162 Post contains links DJ748 : It's a trumour - Brisbane Airport Corporation have definite plans to construct it, and it was approved by the federal government on 18 September 2007
163 Post contains links and images jetfuel : To help visualise here's an illustration - click on the image for a larger size From Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) Why is a new runway needed? B
164 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Ahhh yes, I remember seeing a model of that in the BNE Dom Terminal. Silly Me. One thing on that pic, it looks like the observation area up around th
165 Post contains links Boof : With regard to TT and what is happening please have a read of this blog post by Ben Sandilands: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...blinking-no-its
166 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Obviously everything we're getting at the moment are rumours, but is Sandilands really a trustworthy source? Could it be that TT are threatening to p
167 IndianicWorld : Its always possible, particularly when theres other airports out there that are crying for more services, which makes it easier for TT to play that g
168 alangirvan : Cheeky thought...if TT are pulling out of the ADL base because of not enough incentives, I wonder how many incentives Strategic might want to base a c
169 IndianicWorld : The ADL market is nearly at saturation point ATM. It has had a big couple of years, but things will likely settle down to a slower pace, for a while
170 kiwiandrew : When did QF operate AKL-ADL ?
171 IndianicWorld : A few years ago now. I remember they were the first to operate it. NZ then moved in and QF, after a while, pulled out. It was like a game of musical
172 DavidByrne : Strictly speaking, NZ was the first to operate AKL-ADL, some years ago with 762s, but gave that up. And if I'm not mistaken, BA also operated AKL-ADL
173 Post contains images kiwiandrew : I had completely forgotten about that sector . I must be getting
174 6thfreedom : commenced 14 Dec 2004. Back of clock, departing ADL around 22:00 NZ commenced March 2006. Towards the end of 2006 QF tried to match NZ with a dayligh
175 kiwiandrew : I think that should be "re-commenced", I am sure that many years ago NZ tried a weekly ADL-AKL 767 , though I don't think it lasted long .
176 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Maybe so. That obviously went back further than I had memory of. In modern times it is correct lol
177 alangirvan : I think Qantas started a weekly ADl-AKL with a 747 during the first year ADL had international services, 1982. BA did AKL-ADL at about the same time.
178 Post contains links jetfuel : ADL has it's own issues. It's big enough to support many destinations but not big enough for others. I am sure many in ADL route via MEL or SYD anyway
179 koruman : We should be under no illusions here: Air NZ's Adelaide to Auckland flights pay their way as a means of attracting ADL-LAX/SFO/YVR passengers, topped
180 jetfuel : That is one clever move. As a soon to be Cairns resident there has been a very poor service option to LAX. QF used to run CNS-HNL-LAX and then droppe
181 koruman : I've replied in the NZ aviation thread, and don't want to cross-post. Air NZ's 77E fleet is configured 26 Business / 36 Premium Economy / 242 Economy
182 IndianicWorld : I think its more because it is part of the standard US travellers pathway, which is to go to SYD, stay there for a few days, then up to the reef, the
183 Post contains links and images jetfuel : There's many that don't want to waste extra days taking domestic flights and it's one of the reasons that the BNE-LAX was successful when it first co
184 koruman : That really works poorly for American visitors who have 2-3 weeks less annual vacation time less than their Australian equivalents do. The majority o
185 jetfuel : Thats why when QF did it the Route was SYD-CNS-HNL-LAX, and LAX-HNL-SYD - so only CNS on one leg of the journey
186 DJMEL : Jetfuel - Yes QF25 did operate SYD/CNS/HNL/LAX ran until after 1997, it went via BNE some days as was operated by a 747 Combi some days and a 747 SP,
187 Boof : I honestly don't know if he is trustworthy with his sources or not. I'm a reader not a worshipper of the blokes blog. Sometimes he gets it right, oth
188 IndianicWorld : The CNS market is not high yielding, so trying to sustain such services would be insanely hard for them. maybe if JQ had the right planes for it, it
189 koruman : That is true of the OUTBOUND CNS market, but it has only become true of the INBOUND market from North America since the old 14 hour journey on Qantas
190 IndianicWorld : I get what you are saying, but the demand would still be extremely hard to keep viable. There really are not that many $300k people in the first place
191 Post contains links jetfuel : Jetstar pilots screaming foul re jobs being effectively shipped of shore. JQ argues they cannot compete with Asian based airlines with significantly l
192 TN486 : I never thought much about this CNS-HNL-LAX until I read some of the above posts so I thought I may delve into some of my archives (which I stress has
193 jetfuel : Thanks TN486. I can see a definite market on this route and certainly by the time JQ get the 787 there really should not be any excuse for not having
194 koruman : I'm sorry, but I think that Jetstar is the wrong Qantas brand to use on LAX-CNS, I really do. If you leave aside the European and Kiwi backpacker mark
195 jetfuel : Probably the 50% of the USA population that are poorer in 2010 than they were in 2005. I agree with your basic argument and am not sure how successfu
196 koruman : I suspect that they are far too focused on paying their home loans and health insurance to travel halfway around the world on vacation. I think that
197 hikarufree : GUM has a great deal of US military traffic who are looking for a quick Bali-style break, in addition to tourists from East Asia who want to add on a
198 hikarufree : JQ's image doesn't scream LCC to American eyes, which is a bonus for the Qantas Group. In fact, JQ international is pretty comparable to HA or AB. Ai
199 Post contains images jetfuel : Dug up an old post of mine. Aplogies for pushing the CNS wheelbarrow PER-CNS 3433 km ET 4.0 Hours CNS-PER 4.5 Hours CNS -LAX 11570 km ET 12.5 Hours LA
200 Post contains links jetfuel : Apologies again for the pro Cairns post but came across this this morning - Cairns-Melbourne route is the fastest growing airline service in Australia
201 Post contains images mariner : That's an interesting idea. I have a very soft spot for Hawaiian and I'd like to see them try it. In my ideal world, of course, Air New Zealand would
202 6thfreedom : The total ops listed above shows 48 hours for return journey, which would allow 3 per week with one aircraft. However, PER-CNS flights are longer tha
203 RyanairGuru : I had a random thought: why not take the PER-CNS-LAX idea ... .... and do it with DL??? the 747 and 77W is probably too much plane and the 330 won't h
204 DJ748 : 6x weekly at the moment with QF, 3x weekly with VA. QF did fly daily for a period of time but reduced to 6x. VA did have plans to increase to 4x week
205 Post contains links and images jetfuel : Tiger cops a smack over the wrist from CASA/ATSB for not reporting fault. A/c involved was 2 year old A320 with 6000 hours Total Time ABSTRACT - "On
206 Post contains images TN486 : Refer to seperate thread "Qantas grounds 5 Q400 ac".
207 brad330 : QF have just recently upgraded this service to a daily 763.
208 Post contains links bookishaviator : And Jetstar continues to cop bad press, this time with regard to their new cadet program: Jetstar pilot program 'puts savings before safety'
209 TN486 : IMHO, this is continuing pressure re JQ pilots, and the mooted "fly anywhere" policy (I am being a little flippant here). It should also be noted, as
210 Post contains links jetfuel : Crikey is on the Tiger again http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...08/24/is-tiger-fit-to-hold-an-aoc/ "Tiger has just released a statement in respons
211 koruman : Where is thefuture / REALDEAL / simpilicity / ECONOMICS when you need "her". If he hadn't got himself banned from this board again he would be telling
212 Post contains images jetfuel : Let me try. Let's use simplicity - its all about economics being the real deal for the future I dont particularly wish anything bad on Tiger or their
213 eta unknown : You said it bro! Afterall, if an airline can re-schedule a flight at the last minute to depart earlier, shouldn't that blackberry clutching facebook/
214 jetfuel : V Australia's 773 pushed back into a wall by tug at LAX Yesterdays Courier Mail, page 18. "Hundreds of V Aus pax bound for BNE were left stranded at L
215 vhmathy : Not sure if this has been discussed already but I just heard that QF is introducing premium economy on the Tokyo and Frankfurt routes. They are instal
216 smi0006 : I am on my phone so I cannot offer links however QF have announced they are fitting premium economy seats to six two class 744s to serve NRT and FRA!!
217 Kent350787 : So does this mean we'll need to come up with new terminology for the 744s? Will is be as easy as 4 class and 3 class, or will there be 3 class A and B
218 thegeek : It already exists. 2.5 class. I'm surprised that they are starting on the oldest planes. We all knew that the 9 newest 744s would be reconfigured in
219 AusA380 : I wonder if they will upgrade the J seats to the horizontal mkII seats. Any word on the A330 international fleet for Y+?
220 jetfuel : JETSTAR has announced 25 additional weekly return services to Cairns, adding extra daily flights from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. The budget airli
221 Post contains images CamiloA380 : QANTAS is introducing Premium Economy Class service on its existing 2-class Boeing 747-400 service. As per 25AUG10 GDS timetable display, Premium Econ
222 Post contains links BNE : Thanks to QF175 for starting the next installment. Australian Aviation Thread # 39 (by QF175 Aug 25 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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