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Qatar & FedEx Freighters... Please Explain?  
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Hi A.Netter's...

Been browsing the website and on numerous occassions come across snap shot's of Qatar Airways Cargo B777-FDZ(ER) and FedEx B777-F28 freighter aircraft...

I was curious to know, are the Qatar aircraft the ER version and FedEx LR??? I was under the impression the B777F program was only available as an LR...

Would be interesting to shed some light...

Sorry if this question has been asked once before...


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[Edited 2010-07-30 08:14:05]


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User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

They are both LR's - identifiable by the raked wingtips. The 777 freighter is solely based on the 200LR.

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

The Qatar freighters are most definitely -LRFs, as they have the raked wingtips. I think you are just noting an error in the photo data.


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User currently onlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 613 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4277 times:
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All QR 777 freighters are LRs.

In fact, all Boeing 777 freighters are LRs.

From Boeing website:

Responding to strong demand from cargo operators around the world for an efficient, long-range, and high-capacity freighter, Boeing launched the Boeing 777 Freighter in May 2005 with a launch order from Air France. Bringing unsurpassed efficiency to long-haul markets, the 777 Freighter provides more capacity than any other twin-engine freighter. The 777 Freighter is based on the technologically advanced 777-200LR Worldliner (Longer Range) passenger airplane and entered service in February 2009.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Thanks for your responses...

I was most certain the aircraft had been LR but the Qatar freighters info. raised an eye brow!

When will the 1st converted B772 be delivered while on this subject?

EK413



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User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 4):
When will the 1st converted B772 be delivered while on this subject?

Still a few years off yet I believe as even the earliest pax aircraft are still quite young.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12597 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

A major factor here is that having spent money developing the 77LRF, Boeing does not want to undermine its sales prospects by offering a conversion, although inevitably there will be, at some stage.

Airbus is facing the same problem with the A332F; Qatar Airways is anxious to get its A332s converted to freighters (once the 787s are delivered) and is trying to persuade Airbus to offer a conversion, but of course, Airbus wants them to order A332Fs, which Qatar has said it won't be doing.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

While based on the 772LR, the freighter is officially certificated as simply the 777F, not 777LRF.

User currently offlinepink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

how many A332s does Qatar have available for
Conversion in the future? Thx


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3255 times:

Don't think QR will have much luck persuading Airbus to launch a conversion of the A330-200. Their priority, as far as conversion of wide-bodies go, is very much in favour of the -300 since that's what all the integrators will be wanting. Besides, QR is relatively small potatoes in the larger scheme of things, and when it comes to freighters they're miniscule compared to the real players. In other words, they don't have alot of weight to throw around - however much AAR likes to think otherwise.

It stands to reason, though, that once the -300 has been through the P2F process, the certified kit should be relatively easily transferable to the -200, and then QR can have what they say they want. Middle of the decade sounds like a reasonable time for EIS. Question is whether QR will hold on to their -200 long enough for that to happen.



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User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

A conversion of an A330 would be a huge undertaking, you would have to completely replace the front nose gear like the A330F from production has.

User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Pardon my Ignorance, but why is it that freighters usually end up having less range then their pax counterparts?


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User currently offlinelindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3131 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
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Hi all,

FYI, I have now removed the incorrect "(ER)" from all the Qatar Airways Cargo 777-FDZ photos.

Regards,

Edward


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting WNwatcher (Reply 11):
Pardon my Ignorance, but why is it that freighters usually end up having less range then their pax counterparts?

Heavier structure to allow for an increase in MZFW while keeping the MTOW as is.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6955 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

In other words, less fuel in the tanks at MTOW.


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User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2552 times:

Thanks for informing me on that. Will the range on the 747-8i go up or will it remain the same as the 747-8f?


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5015 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting lindy field (Reply 12):
Hi all,

FYI, I have now removed the incorrect "(ER)" from all the Qatar Airways Cargo 777-FDZ photos.

Regards,

Edward

Cheers...

Thankyou for the info. correction... Nice snap shots by the way...

EK413



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User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
A major factor here is that having spent money developing the 77LRF, Boeing does not want to undermine its sales prospects by offering a conversion, although inevitably there will be, at some stage.

Boeing did a development study of the 777BCF a few years a ago. I believe it said that the 777ERBCF would have a payload of 175,000lbs which is less than the 777F which has a payload of about 225,000lbs. It would also have a range of just under 4000nm. The 777-200BCF would have a range of 2500nm and a payload of 150,000 pounds.


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