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BA World Cargo Adds 3 747-8F's  
User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18060 times:

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Congratulations for Boeing, good exposure!

The aircraft will be wetleased from Atlas.

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/PublishingImages/cargo2000/BAWC%20master%20logo%20-%20white%20background.jpg

http://www.joc.com/air-expedited/ba-...dding-three-747-8-freighters-fleet

http://en.rian.ru/images/15794/30/157943047.jpg

[Edited 2010-07-30 08:23:42]

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User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18016 times:

BA PRess release to this

BA Worrlld Carrgo Prress Rellease
British Airways World Cargo Upgrades Freight Fleet
To Boeing 747-8f In New Deal With Global Supply Systems.
British Airways World Cargo today announced that it has signed a five-year wet lease
agreement with Global Supply Systems Limited (GSS), which will see its three Boeing
747-400 freighters replaced with new Boeing 747-8 freighters in early 2011. Further to
its agreement with British Airways World Cargo, GSS will dry lease the freighters from
Atlas Air.
The contract represents a significant investment by British Airways World Cargo. The
three new Boeing 747-8f aircraft will be registered in the United Kingdom and operate
to our existing schedule maintaining regular services through STN, HKG, FRA, PVG,
ORD, DEL amongst others.
It has also been agreed that the new 747-8fs will be delivered in British Airways livery
and incorporate the British Airways World Cargo logo.
Steve Gunning, managing director of British Airways World Cargo says: “
Our investment in the new Boeing 747-8f reinforces our commitment to the air cargo
industry and demonstrates the importance British Airways places on cargo. The
increased range and the environmental benefits that the 747-8f provides will
significantly benefit our customers. Long-haul freighters form an integral part of our
overall business strategy – providing flexibility and capacity on resilient and growing
lanes – as we strive for continued excellence in all key areas of the business, including
product range, customer service and, of course, network offering.
“I am also pleased to be continuing our relationship with our long-term freighter
partners, GSS and Atlas Air.”
The Boeing 747-8 freighter provides an enhanced environmental performance owing to
its new benchmark in fuel efficiency and noise reduction. The 747-8f has an increased
range of 4,475 nautical miles (8,275 km), as well as 16% more cargo volume than the
747-400f. This means it is able to hold seven additional pallets, while maintaining the
same nose and door loading capabilities for industry-standard 10-foot high pallets.
“BA World Cargo is a vital link in the global logistics chain, and it will be one of the
first air carriers in the world to benefit from the 747-8 freighter’s leading-edge
technology,” says William J. Flynn, President and Chief Executive Officer of Atlas Air
Worldwide Holdings. “Through GSS, our new aircraft will give BA World Cargo
increased capacity and revenue-generating capability in a growing airfreight market.”


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5655 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17983 times:

Is this a new order? Don't Atlas already have B748Fs on order?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17915 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 2):
Is this a new order? Don't Atlas already have B748Fs on order?

I would have to guess that this probably isn't a new order and will come out of the 12 748Fs Atlas already has on order.



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User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17878 times:

I think that this news will go some way to pleasing a great number of the A.net membership including myself as we will now be able to view a 748 in a representation of BA Livery   

If anyone has a mocked up picture please post it   

Matt



Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlineBirdseed From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Fantastic to read that the 747-8F will be in BA World Cargo livery! Always wonered why that wasn't part of the contract with GSS before.

Just a question about the BA World Cargo press release though: It says, "British Airways World Cargo today announced that it has signed a five-year wet lease agreement with Global Supply Systems Limited (GSS), which will see its three Boeing 747-400 freighters replaced with new Boeing 747-8 freighters in early 2011. Further to its agreement with British Airways World Cargo, GSS will dry lease the freighters from Atlas Air."

So am I correct in thinking the aircraft will be flown by GSS crews, not Atlas Air?


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2141 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17703 times:

L/N 1429, the next produced 747-8 freighter, will become the first Atlas Air 747-8F.
Roll-out is scheduled for mid-August.
see : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking Thread #2 (by moderators Jun 23 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Maybe this is one of the three that will be painted in the "BA World Cargo" livery, but probably the first one will be in Atlas Air livery.
We will see what happens in a few weeks.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12540 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17553 times:

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 1):
The
increased range and the environmental benefits that the 747-8f provides will
significantly benefit our customers
Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 1):
he 747-8f has an increased
range of 4,475 nautical miles (8,275 km), as well as 16% more cargo volume than the
747-400f. This means it is able to hold seven additional pallets, while maintaining the
same nose and door loading capabilities for industry-standard 10-foot high pallets.

I'm a big fan of the -8 and am glad to see BA take advantage of it via its partners.

But is there more sizzle than steak here?

Surely the -8 will be more fuel efficient, offer more range, more payload, less noise, etc.

But along with that comes the acquisition cost of the -8f, new spares for the GEnX engines, training for pilots and mechanics, etc.

Is this really a case of the pluses outweighing the minuses, or just a case of the -4s being worn out and needing replacement?



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17484 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Is this really a case of the pluses outweighing the minuses, or just a case of the -4s being worn out and needing replacement?

Who cares. Just be nice to see a next generation 'jumbo' in BA colours !



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5655 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17407 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
But along with that comes the acquisition cost of the -8f, new spares for the GEnX engines, training for pilots and mechanics, etc.

Sure these costs are real, but BA is not paying them directly. They will be reflected in the lease rates, but Atlas will have a bigger fleet than BA to spread the fixed costs over. This should result in less cost for BA than if they did it themselves, which also means the cost/benefit for BA is different. I supect that doing it thru Atlas makes it more efficient for BA than the B744 they replace.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6907 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17205 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
Surely the -8 will be more fuel efficient, offer more range, more payload, less noise, etc.

And considering how high operating costs are, I doubt that it will take long to make up for the increased costs you correctly cite. And as you correctly point out, the 744's are getting old, and new aircraft are cheaper to maintain. But unless they sit idle a lot of the time, new aircraft should bring more profits than old ones.



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User currently offlinekeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17116 times:

I can imagine the significant noise reduction from the new engines is relatively important for a LHR based operation with serious noise restrictions for late/early flights.

User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17037 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 11):
I can imagine the significant noise reduction from the new engines is relatively important for a LHR based operation with serious noise restrictions for late/early flights.

How about STN?



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User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16870 times:

Quoting Birdseed (Reply 5):
So am I correct in thinking the aircraft will be flown by GSS crews, not Atlas Air?

Yes, the same as is currently.

Quoting keesje (Reply 11):
I can imagine the significant noise reduction from the new engines is relatively important for a LHR based operation with serious noise restrictions for late/early flights.

All of our scheduled freighter ops in the UK are ex STN and LHR or LGW.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16738 times:

Quoting MWHCVT (Reply 4):
If anyone has a mocked up picture please post it

Not World Cargo, but I did find this instead:


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Template © Danilo Dantas




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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15838 times:
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Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 1):
“I am also pleased to be continuing our relationship with our long-term freighter
partners, GSS and Atlas Air.”

That is very nice news and great to see the B747-8F in BA colors... Could this be also a order on EK's side as when not mistaken they have B744F operated with Atlas Air?


User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15122 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 11):
I can imagine the significant noise reduction from the new engines is relatively important for a LHR based operation with serious noise restrictions for late/early flights.

The current GSS operation is out of STN; they don't touch LHR & don't believe that is likely to change in the future.


User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14803 times:

I think the new 747s will be in GSS-colors, not BA.

Wonder if they will replacing the three 744s flying for BA World Cargo.


User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14657 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 17):
I think the new 747s will be in GSS-colors, not BA.

Nope; see:

Quoting sydaircargo (Reply 1):
t has also been agreed that the new 747-8fs will be delivered in British Airways livery
and incorporate the British Airways World Cargo logo.


User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14555 times:

Thanks for clarification, I've skip that ...

User currently offlinetimmydasquirrel From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12605 times:

I look forward to seeing 747-8's in BA livery!
I suppose it is too much to hope that we will see some BA -8I's at some point?


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7531 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11946 times:

Quoting keesje (Reply 11):
I can imagine the significant noise reduction from the new engines is relatively important for a LHR based operation with serious noise restrictions for late/early flights.

They will be operated out of STN. The current three GSS 744Fs have never, as far as I know, ever visited LHR.

Quoting Birdseed (Reply 5):
So am I correct in thinking the aircraft will be flown by GSS crews, not Atlas Air?

Yes. I believe there is a CAA restriction which requires their authority to operate a foreign registered aircraft (and an Atlas Air owned and operated aircraft could not be put on the British register) on behalf of a British operator and that authority is most unlikely to be granted for a period of more than two years.

This is why this Atlas Air operated aircraft:

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was replaced by the GSS aircraft. (51 per cent of GSS is British and 49 per cent Atlas Air owned.)

The aircraft pictured above is currently the youngest in the GSS fleet (G-GSSA) being just over nine years old. The other two aircraft first flew for Atlas Air. G-GSSB was formerly N491MC and is just on 12 years old. G-GSSC was N494MC and is five months younger having first served with 5Y in December 1998.

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Although GSS describes itself as a general ACMI operator I believe its only activity since starting operations in June 2002 has been to operate 744Fs on behalf of BA World Cargo,


User currently offlineTwoSevenRight From UK - England, joined Feb 2009, 28 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10560 times:

Will be very interesting to see at Stansted for sure!


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