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No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt Signs On 787?  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 35321 times:

I have seen many interior photos of the 787, and I can't seem to find the No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt signs. So, I am wondering, does the 787 have them? If so, where are they?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 35337 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
So, I am wondering, does the 787 have them?

I'm sure it does, but I would imagine that the No Smoking sign will almost certainly be replaced by the No Electronic Devices sign.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 35212 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I'm sure it does, but I would imagine that the No Smoking sign will almost certainly be replaced by the No Electronic Devices sign.

Of course, some airlines now have non-illuminated No Smoking signs that are simply printed on. Speaking of the No Electronic Devices sign, in a previous thread, I was thinking what symbols could represent it. I remember when the No Smoking/Fasten Seat Belt signs were text-based rather than symbol-based, and many aircraft still have text-based lavatory signs.



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User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 35186 times:

Maybe they could work it so it shows up on the seat back IFE systems?


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 35039 times:

Quoting WNwatcher (Reply 3):
Maybe they could work it so it shows up on the seat back IFE systems?

Of course they would take up space on the screens. For the No Smoking signs Boeing could simply have the symbols printed on above or on the tray tables, however, the Fasten Seat Belt signs need to be visible at all times.



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 934 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34993 times:

Quoting WNwatcher (Reply 3):
Maybe they could work it so it shows up on the seat back IFE systems?

The trouble is, IFE screens (the ones I've used at least) can be turned off anytime. Not good for a seat belt sign.



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 34990 times:
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The 787 has lighted seatbelt signs just like other commercial aircraft... You can clearly see them in the photo below, above the middle block of seats on the left, and above the exit door (click for large version)

http://dreamliner.thomson.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/interior/thomson-airways-dreamliner-interior-2.jpg

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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 34727 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The 787 has lighted seatbelt signs just like other commercial aircraft... You can clearly see them in the photo below, above the middle block of seats on the left, and above the exit door (click for large version)

Interesting. I have never seen them in Boeing's 787 mockups. Interesting that the arrow is green instead of red like on most of Boeing's previous aircraft. Also, it appears this one has gasper vents. However, there doesn't appear to by any No Smoking (neither printed nor illumated) nor Turn Off All Electronic Devices signs.



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User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 34380 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):

Wow!!! Everything about this photo makes me want to book a flight with Thomson!!!


User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 34292 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The 787 has lighted seatbelt signs just like other commercial aircraft... You can clearly see them in the photo below, above the middle block of seats on the left, and above the exit door

So it looks like there's a "Fasten Seat Belt" sign, but no "No Smoking" sign. Or at least no "No Smoking" light, as I'm sure there will be "No Smoking" decals or something.

Also, I find it interesting that they use Eurpoean style "Emergency Exit" pictograms, rather than the text based exit signs you currently see on airplanes. Are all 787s going to use these signs, or was that Thompson's decision?


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 34253 times:
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I believe green is now being used an an exit indicator. Apparently red signals danger so people don't always follow red signs.............I ahve no idea who does the research to uncover these gems of wisdom.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 7):
Interesting that the arrow is green instead of red like on most of Boeing's previous aircraft.

WHat about sales to airlines that still permit smoking? And isn't there a legal requirement that all aircraft must have a dedicated cigarette disposal area in case a pax starts to smaoke and is then stopped by crew.


That mockup looks pretty sensational. Looks like a 2-3-2 layout, or am I missing a seat on the far side of the cabin?


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 34026 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
I believe green is now being used an an exit indicator. Apparently red signals danger so people don't always follow red signs.............I ahve no idea who does the research to uncover these gems of wisdom.

Actually, I was talking about the arrow on the Fasten Seat Belt sign.



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33991 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
WHat about sales to airlines that still permit smoking? And isn't there a legal requirement that all aircraft must have a dedicated cigarette disposal area in case a pax starts to smaoke and is then stopped by crew.

I don´t know any airline where you are allow to smoke..... do you??


User currently offlineexFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33918 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
WHat about sales to airlines that still permit smoking? And isn't there a legal requirement that all aircraft must have a dedicated cigarette disposal area in case a pax starts to smaoke and is then stopped by crew.

Are there any airlines that still permit smoking? (Or at least any airlines that permit smoking and are likely to buy 787s?)

As for the cigarette disposal, at least here in the US we still have to have ashtrays mounted to the lavatory doors, which looks totally ridiculous and still strikes me as unnecessary - a cigarette can be put out in the sink (or in a cup of water) and then thrown away in the regular garbage.


User currently offlineWNwatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33745 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):

IIRC, DL's IFE screens can be controled and turned on or off by the Cabin crew at any time. Perhaps I'm wrong......



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User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 977 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33437 times:

Quoting exFATboy (Reply 13):
As for the cigarette disposal, at least here in the US we still have to have ashtrays mounted to the lavatory doors, which looks totally ridiculous and still strikes me as unnecessary - a cigarette can be put out in the sink (or in a cup of water) and then thrown away in the regular garbage.

Passengers do smoke in the lavatories.

On one occasion, our Flight Attendants smelled the cigarette smoke before the smoke detector sounded. The passenger threw his cigarette into the trash rather than use the ash tray on the lavatory door.

And yes, the paper in the trash started smoldering...

In any case, I believe that the reason for the ash trays in the lavs is to encourage a smoking passenger to use
the ash tray rather than the trash bin. But obviously, that doesn't always work.



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User currently offlineflybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32874 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 6):
The 787 has lighted seatbelt signs just like other commercial aircraft... You can clearly see them in the photo below, above the middle block of seats on the left, and above the exit door (click for large version)

Those green signs look like the green running man exit signs I saw in Japan. I doubt those are fasten seatbelt signs.

The new US Airways airbus airplanes have a turn off electronic devices light in place of the no smoking light and install clearly visible no smoking placards throughout the cabin. I think most airlines can do this too if they wish to go through the regulatory pain of having such a change approved by the FAA.

Here's a couple of interesting reads on the subject:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...eda9a8525667200513a33!OpenDocument

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...0067ffe9/$FILE/ST10717SE-T-C-1.pdf



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User currently offlineGulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32833 times:

Quoting eljonno (Reply 8):
Wow!!! Everything about this photo makes me want to book a flight with Thomson!!!

Yeah, but in reality I doubt that you will get an amenity kit in coach/economy!



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User currently offlinerameshksm From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32123 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
Looks like a 2-3-2 layout, or am I missing a seat on the far side of the cabin?

This is a 3-3-3 layout...see this link

http://dreamliner.thomson.co.uk/wp-c...-airways-dreamliner-interior-1.jpg


User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32015 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
For the No Smoking signs Boeing could simply have the symbols printed on above or on the tray tables

On the US airbus(East pre-merger and all new) airplanes, they have the Fasten Seatbelt sign and the "Please turn off electronic devices sign". On the traytable, it says No Smoking.

This can be seen at 1:46 of the safety video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2Hk5_FKmE

1:41 also shows the "old electronic devices sign":

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 16):
The new US Airways airbus airplanes have a turn off electronic devices light in place of the no smoking light and install clearly visible no smoking placards throughout the cabin.

As said above, all pre-merger East aircraft have the electronic devices light.

Old (You can see the sign next to the fasten-seat belt sign is off on the bulkhead, which is the electronic device sign. This is an pre-merger East aircraft)



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31916 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
I believe green is now being used an an exit indicator.

Emergency exit signs in buildings in most of Europe have been green for as long as I can remember.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31513 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
Emergency exit signs in buildings in most of Europe have been green for as long as I can remember.

I'm wondering if Boeing will offer it in red for U.S. airlines.

And speaking of the No Electronic Devices sign, I thought of a possible idea of representing it with a power button symbol that would turn green when electronic devices can be turned on, and red when they should be turned off. Another alternative (particularly for those who are red-green colorblind) would be a power button symbol crossed out with either a red X or a crossed circle (similar to the No Smoking signs) when electronic devices should be turned off.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 31324 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
I'm wondering if Boeing will offer it in red for U.S. airlines

I imagine that if airlines want in with polka dots, Boeing would do that for them. (If regulatory bodies would allow it)

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
Another alternative (particularly for those who are red-green colorblind) would be a power button symbol crossed out with either a red X or a crossed circle (similar to the No Smoking signs) when electronic devices should be turned off.

This is a better idea that the red/green. That seems a bit ambiguous to me, especially since many power buttons on cell phones are red.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 30863 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 10):
I believe green is now being used an an exit indicator. Apparently red signals danger so people don't always follow red signs.............I ahve no idea who does the research to uncover these gems of wisdom.

The green "running man" has been an international standard for a long time. The US is unusual in that our exit signs are usually red and text-based, not green and symbol-based. (Green is OK and the "running man" is OK but only if there is also the word "EXIT.")

See here for more about exit signs around the world.

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 16):
Those green signs look like the green running man exit signs I saw in Japan. I doubt those are fasten seatbelt signs.

You're looking at the wrong green signs. Look at the PSUs and also, over the doors, on the panel where the "running man" sign is, in the bottom left and right corners. They're small, you have to be looking at the image full-size to see them.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 30828 times:

Quoting flybyguy (Reply 16):
Those green signs look like the green running man exit signs I saw in Japan. I doubt those are fasten seatbelt signs.

Yes, but if you look at the full size version of the picture you can see that the arrows on the fasten seat belt signs are green as well.


25 PacificClipper : Perhaps another reason to switch to green for the exit signs is that green generally means GO and red means STOP? Slightly off topic, does anyone know
26 WNwatcher : Looks like a lock signal, it has what appears to be a lever and a green sign on it. Just guessing as to what that is, I may be very, very wrong. -Wn
27 YYZatcboy : I think the original idea behind red exit signs are that they are easier to see in the dark, and don't hurt your night vision, which would be importan
28 tyler81190 : That is the Arm/Disarm lever for the emergency slide... In the green position, the door is safe to open, and the emergency slide will not deploy., wh
29 tdscanuck : Boeing made a conscious decision to switch to the international-standard green sign for the 787. Are there some that don't? I didn't even think gaspe
30 1337Delta764 : Boeing's 787 mockups definitely didn't show gasper vents, and also, most airlines don't have gasper vents on their 777s (DL, AC, and EK being the mos
31 United1 : Thats kind of interesting the only airlines that I know doesn't have gaspers in their 777s are CO and SQ. UA and AA both have gaspers on their 777s..
32 Post contains links MarkHKG : The FAA literally just published an ELOS (equivalent level of safety) position on this. It can be read here: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...c
33 Post contains links 7673mech : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boein...Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/1745321/L/ If you look at the picture that I have linked, just before the bulkhead forw
34 VC10er : Those US interiors look nice! too bad they didn't use an American Flag as their logo!!!
35 planesmith : I think you should take the time to remember that this is an advert trying to get you to actually fly with Thomson, surely experience will tell you,
36 Post contains images Andz : It did its job then. Irrespective of the seating, the hot hostie would do it for me
37 Post contains links and images Crosswind : Their current long-haul product on the 767-300ER has a minumim seat-pitch of 33" (2" more than BA or Virgin) and the ex-First Choice Airways aircraft
38 xXMHxLHx5LXx : I never thought about the "EXIT" difference between Europe (and other parts of the world) and the US. On every flight I took I've never seen the "gree
39 Post contains links USAirALB : Normally, on US carriers, during the safety video/demo, it will say something like: This 737 has 8 exits. Each cleary marked with red and white exit
40 DocLightning : Given that this rule is a good 20 years old IIRC, I'm shocked it's taken this long. Does any airline in the world allow smoking aboard anymore?
41 1337Delta764 : On Delta, the 73G, 738, and 77L fleet has the No Smoking symbols simply printed on the PSU. One thing that I find unusual though is that DL's aircraf
42 BOACCunard : Most airlines certainly allowed smoking 20 years ago. The smoking ban on US domestic flights is 20 years old but in most other parts of the world (in
43 atcsundevil : I'm sure there are others who can confirm or refute this, but aren't these signs unique to Airbus aircraft (or even possibly unique to US's aircraft)
44 BMI727 : I've seen it on a US (Republic really) E-170. I want to say that I saw it on an AA 738 as well, but I don't remember for sure.
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