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DL 191: 25 Years Later  
User currently offlinedfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 13 hours ago) and read 9390 times:

D/FW Airport to dedicate marker to 1985 crash of Delta Flight 191
07:30 AM CDT on Friday, July 30, 2010
By MICHAEL E. YOUNG / The Dallas Morning News
myoung@dallasnews.com

On the 25th anniversary of its worst crash ever, Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport will dedicate a memorial at 9:30 a.m. Monday to the 135 victims of Delta Air Lines Flight 191.

Plans for the brief ceremony at D/FW's Founders Plaza observation park, about two miles from the crash site, include the D/FW Department of Public Safety honor guard, a prayer from the D/FW Interfaith Chaplaincy and brief remarks from the airport's chief executive, Jeff Fegan.

more: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont.../073010dnmetdfwmarker.291facb.html

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User currently offlinetxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

I still remember that day... Eastbound traffic on 114 was almost non-existant when I was heading home from Las Colinas that evening and a large plume of smoke was in my rear view mirror. Quickly heard the reason over the radio on the way home. A friend of mine noticed the additional traffic into Love Field before he heard the news.

A co-worker of mine at the time was also a member of the Red Cross disaster team on-site. Took him a long time to recover from what he saw.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12409 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

There's a fascinating video illustration of the final moments of DAL 191 on Youtube, which clearly illustrates the rate of the descent in the last few minutes of the flight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKwyU1RwPto

You can stop/start the video to compare the descent rates at various stages of the flight.


User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

I can't believe it's been 25 years. I can remember the news bulletin like it was yesterday. Incredible.

Out of the crash has come better wind shear/microburst detection technology, which is saving lives today. Hopefully this kind of mishap won't happen again in this country.

I've never heard of this park. Can someone give me directions to it? I'll check it out the next time I'm out there.



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Very sad.. I came across a member on YouTube who had posted in response to one of the CVR recordings that "knowing the pilots did all they could and we're professional to the very end" helped him with his grieving process.. DAL191 took his wife and son.

This is one of those few crashes that really impacted us.. DFW was the nexus hub of the 1980s alongside Denver and Chicago. Everyone seemed to be somehow connected to the accident. I was young, and it was the first accident I was old enough to fully digest.. it's tragic nostalgia.

Can't believe it's been 25 years.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2241 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 hours ago) and read 8855 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):
I've never heard of this park. Can someone give me directions to it? I'll check it out the next time I'm out there.

It's on the Northwest side of DFW, directly North of the UPS ramp. Take the Texan Trail (Bus. 114) exit off of Hwy 114/121 and turn South. Go straight across at the traffic light. The rotating beacon tower is a good landmark to look for. It's right in the middle of the park.



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User currently offlinedfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):
I've never heard of this park. Can someone give me directions to it? I'll check it out the next time I'm out there.

Here's some information about Founders Plaza:

http://www.dfwairport.com/visitor/index.php?ctnid=28578

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas/...ternational_Airport#Founders_Plaza


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):
Out of the crash has come better wind shear/microburst detection technology, which is saving lives today. Hopefully this kind of mishap won't happen again in this country.

That's always my thought about this flight. The victims didn't know it, and didn't choose it, but their sacrifice has led to safety improvements for everybody else since then. This is true of many crashes, but especially this one.

Incidentally, the number 191 has a bit of a history, with several crashes on different airlines. The AA version just as terrifying.

[Edited 2010-07-30 15:14:57]

User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years ago) and read 8404 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 7):
Incidentally, the number 191 has a bit of a history, with several crashes on different airlines. The AA version just as terrifying.

I've never noticed the recurring theme with this flight number before.

American 191
Comair 191
Delta 191

Rather frightening.


User currently offlineIAHflyguy From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

A great sacrifice from the passengers indeed.

Just imagine how terrifying it was as the L-1011 smacked the ground and bounced onto the airfield. At least now ATC has technology to detect microbursts before something like this happens again.


User currently offlineEMAman From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 8):
I've never noticed the recurring theme with this flight number before.

Yes, ive noticed that, it is kinda scarey!


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 8):
American 191
Comair 191
Delta 191

And don't forget 9-11. Bad luck numbers in aviation!

Quoting contrails (Reply 3):
I can't believe it's been 25 years. I can remember the news bulletin like it was yesterday. Incredible.

It is insane that it has passed by so long ago, but seems like it was so short ago. I too remember seeing the breaking news come over the tv. I was in complete shock, and only 9 years old. I will never forget that day. I went to DFW a few years back, and ate at a Frudruckers in a strip mall. It was next to a highway, in a strip mall. Locals told me that I was standing in the general location of where the planes tires hit the highway. Can anyone confirm this?

And after listening to the CVR for the upteenth millionth time, I still get chills up my spine. They came so close to recovering. What was the response time for the L1011 when going from idle power to full throttle to take effect?

[Edited 2010-07-31 09:04:52]


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User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 11):
I went to DFW a few years back, and ate at a Frudruckers in a strip mall. It was next to a highway, in a strip mall. Locals told me that I was standing in the general location of where the planes tires hit the highway. Can anyone confirm this?

This is not correct. The Fuddruckers is located just south of Grapevine Mills mall west of International Parkway. That location is too far north and west of the crash site. It is due north of the terminals - not any runway.

The plane hit 114 directly north of what is now 17C/35C. That area today has a bunch of warehouses.


User currently offlineSeatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

I remember that day well. I was working in a shoe store at the Irving Mall (next to DFW) and we heard a rumble and turned the radio on to find out that it was an L-1011 crash. Feels like last week.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Reply 12):
This is not correct. The Fuddruckers is located just south of Grapevine Mills mall west of International Parkway. That location is too far north and west of the crash site. It is due north of the terminals - not any runway.

The plane hit 114 directly north of what is now 17C/35C. That area today has a bunch of warehouses.

Bummer! I was standing out there for the longest time, just kinda,,,, feeling sad for them. Oh well, was I even close to it? Did it hit the water towers that are off of Freeport Parkway?

[Edited 2010-07-31 11:27:07]


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User currently offlineDeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Oh well, was I even close to it? Did it hit the water towers that are off of Freeport Parkway?

It did hit the water towers at Freeport Parkway. So, you were not too far - about 1.5 miles away. If you look at google maps, follow 17C north to Hwy 114 - that is where it bounced. Then if you move the map north and west, Fuddruckes is around Bass Pro Drive/International Pkwy/Hwy 26.


User currently offlinecontrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7431 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 5):
It's on the Northwest side of DFW, directly North of the UPS ramp. Take the Texan Trail (Bus. 114) exit off of Hwy 114/121 and turn South. Go straight across at the traffic light. The rotating beacon tower is a good landmark to look for. It's right in the middle of the park.

Thanks, SPREE34 and dfwcre8tive. I'll check it out the next time I'm down there.



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User currently offlineMLD9S From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Wow....

You know what the ironic thing is? I was out at Founder's Plaza today and was looking around trying to figure out exactly where the accident took place and it didn't even dawn on me that the 25th anniversary was only a day or so away.

I am sure many on here remember the made-for-TV movie "Fire and Rain" about the accident.

Also ironic is that a month from today is the 22 year anniversary of the Delta flight 1141 crash at DFW.


User currently offlineviajero From Mexico, joined Aug 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6995 times:
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25 years...wow! I was living in the area at the time as a teenager, and remember the news as if it was yesterday. As others have stated, the images we saw on TV, as horrible as they were, didn't compare to the actual crash site. I was there a couple hours after the fact, and will never forget the utter devastation, especially the devoured Toyota Corolla on Hwy 114. I'll also never forget the police who were literally yanking folks out of their cars and arresting them for trying to pick up pieces of wreckage that had yet to be collected from the roadway. On a personal note concerning the aircraft and crew, my very first commercial flight was on ship 726 to Denver with Capt. Ted Connors 2 years prior, who became a friend, albeit for too brief a period of time. I seem to recall Wendy Robinson (F.A.), also on 191 ,worked that flight as well. To say the least, my first segment was an incredible experience, although I felt a great sense of foreboding throughout the flight;(how much of that was first flight apprehension or something else, I don't know). I would just like to say, for those of you who never had the privilege of meeting and/or knowing Captain Ted Connors, he truly was a class act and consumate professional.

User currently offlinedfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

1985 Delta 191 disaster at D/FW Airport gave rise to broad safety overhaul
08:07 AM CDT on Monday, August 2, 2010
By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News
etorbenson@dallasnews.com
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s/080210dnbusdelta191.28ed08a.html

Twenty-five years after Delta Flight 191 tumbled out of the sky at the northern edge of Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, the tragedy's enduring legacy is one of improved safety for airline passengers.

The crash and its 137 deaths forged new technologies in aircraft and on the ground that have combined to prevent a similar accident of 191's scale.

"This was the watershed accident that helped really galvanize the aviation industry to get a broad range of improvements in weather prediction," said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Lynn Lunsford, who covered the accident as a reporter.

Delta 191's aftermath changed how regulators approached weather threats, how pilots talked to each other in the cockpit and even how fire rescue crews at airports save lives at crashes.

...


User currently offlinedfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6607 times:

Survivor recalls anniversary of D/FW’s deadliest day
by JASON WHITELY
WFAA
Posted on August 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Survi...-191-improved-safety-99732824.html

D/FW AIRPORT — When the clouds cleared, it was a stunning sight. The blackened tail section of an L-1011 jumbo jet sat upright on the northeast edge of the airfield.
The rest of the large aircraft lay scattered in pieces around it.

"I thank God for lettin’ me live," Johnny Meier, a passenger, told News 8.

Monday marks the 25th anniversary of that deadly day.

A ferocious downdraft, known as wind shear, slammed Delta Airlines Flight 191 to the ground as it tried to land in a thunderstorm on August 2, 1985.

The L-1011 crushed a car on Highway 114, then skidded toward the runway before colliding with two massive water tanks and disintegrating.

The crash killed 135 people.

"When I got on the scene, it wasn't anything I felt like I had trained for," remembered D/FW Airport Fire Department Battalion Chief Paul Reese. "When we train, we train on an aircraft — and when we got there on the scene that day, there wasn't an aircraft."

Reese was 23 that day, a young airport firefighter.

"Sometimes I can't remember what I did three days ago, but that day — 25 years ago — I remember it well. It's just like it was yesterday," Reese said.

...


User currently offlinejpj777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

They just had the entire story of this crash on the Weather Channels "When weather changed history" I also can't believe its been 25 years because I remember exactly where I was when it came on the TV in LA.

User currently offlinedfwcre8tive From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

After 25 years, D/FW Airport unveils memorial to Delta Flight 191
Posted Sunday, Aug. 01, 2010Comments
BY GORDON DICKSON
gdickson@star-telegram.com

D/FW AIRPORT -- Finally, a tribute to those who died in -- and those who survived -- the worst aviation disaster in Texas history will be etched in granite.

Today, Dallas/Fort Worth Airport officials unveiled a memorial to the crash of Delta Air Lines Flight 191 at Founders Plaza, the popular airport observation area near Texas 114/121 and Texan Trail.

Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08...my-headlines-default#ixzz0vT7pn0ej


[IMG]http://media.star-telegram.com/smedia/2010/08/02/11/Flight191Memorial007.standalone.prod_affiliate.58.jpg[/IMG


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Quoting txjim (Reply 1):
A co-worker of mine at the time was also a member of the Red Cross disaster team on-site. Took him a long time to recover from what he saw.


I worked in the L-1011 support center. Assisted with the crash investigation. While any loss of life is tragic, much was learned form this accident which undoubtedly has saved and will save lives in the future.


User currently offlinewilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

I wander from the pilots action if they even saw the water tanks. I believe the left wing clipped it and turned the aircraft into the tank. Did they go hard rudder right so as to miss the tanks? The spoilers were up when they crossed the freeway,so they were definately on the ground, don't know if the black box confirmed but there was a rumore reverse thrust had been intiated. I remember the special coverage Channel news 8 had and they were one of the first to speculate it was weather related. I still remember the live updates.....Chilling. Of course its easy to second guess what transpired in seconds with an array of loud blarring warnings and alarms going off in the cockpit. Tearfuel and heartfelt condolences.

Its sad in another way too, the Delta 25 years ago is not the same Delta we know today.


25 peanuts : Time flies! I remember August 1985 as a terrible month for aviation. We have a few more Anniversaries coming up this month... In the grand scheme of t
26 jetjack74 : One of the dealiest months, if not the deadliest month on cumulative historical record. JAL 123/747-SR46, JA8119. - August 12th, 1985. Crashed on Osu
27 MLD9S : All of 1985 was simply horrible for commercial aviation. The TWA flight 847 hijacking beginning on June 14. Air India flight 182, a 747 enroute from
28 peanuts : I believe August '85: DL, JL, British Airtours, and a known American girl in a small plane crash... The entire year was kind of a mess though...
29 AirCalSNA : Amazing how much safer flying has become. When I was growing up it seemed like there would be a major plane crash within the U.S. every 18 months or s
30 PaaClipper707 : Its interesting. I periodically think about those flights when Im working onboard Alaska 191
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