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British Airways: Most Profitable Routes?  
User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18195 times:

I was just wondering if anyone knows which routes are the most profitable in BA's network?

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User currently offlinetonyflyboi From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17737 times:

Lagos /Abuja/ Accra/ New York/ Narita/ Lunada

User currently onlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2366 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 17235 times:

Narita???
They just reduced that route from 2 to 1 daily flight.

Where is LAX?


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 17223 times:

Add TLV, LAD and NBO to that list. I know CAI does very well also, and heard the Gulf routes to MCT, BAH, AUH etc all do well.

Most profitable euro route I hear is ATH.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinej0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16902 times:

Are there any sources to that? If it's just speculation, I would speculate that India as a whole may be profitable by the level of service it receives.
BOM - 2x Daily
DEL - 2x Daily
HYD - 1x Daily
BLR - 1x Daily
MAA - 5x Weekly


jordan


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16700 times:

I would imagine HKG and JNB also do well for them...MIA??

User currently offlineRIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 16656 times:

How about PHX, since they fly a 744 out of there six times a week, if I'm correct.

User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6212 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16425 times:

I highly doubt PHX is on the list, in the past the airline has toyed with the idea of pullin hte plug on the route.. PHX is more of a liesure destination rather than a business destination.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinegojetset From United States of America, joined May 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15973 times:

How about SFO? it has been twice daily 747 for quite some time ( IIRC I do remember seeing some BA 777 at SFO, but I believe for the most part it has maintained 747 aircraft on both the early evening and late evening departures) This leads me to believe that loads must be high, so it could possible be a profitable route, if it gets double 747 service.

User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15806 times:

It has long been rumoured that out most profitable routes are DME and also TIP and ABZ (which surprised me) think OIL...

ATH may make some profit but compared to DME I believe it doesn't come close due to J loads. I have operated DME flights with 120 in club before


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

Quoting tim222 (Reply 9):
It has long been rumoured that out most profitable routes are DME and also TIP and ABZ (which surprised me) think OIL...

TIP does not come as a surprise... And what about ALG?



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User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15520 times:

I love these speculation threads. Of course, much of this information is confidential and internal to BA, save for analysis performed by the City analysts. This said, a little common sense and thought should provide the answers.

User currently offlinewilld From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15444 times:

AS others have said this is highly confidential within BA and I doubt anyone who knows will be able to say so.

However lets get this clear, a 744 daily service to a US airport (or even twice daily) doesnt automatically mean its profitable. A plane can be 100% full but if the yields on it are rubbish it is not going to make you much money.

Purely speculating I would imagine that as well as the usual suspects a number of African destinations will be thrown into the mix.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15304 times:

I would have thought the flights to Africa where they either have a monopoly or weak competition would do well.

User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14793 times:

I would say it is as following:-
JFK
DXB
SIN
SFO
YYZ


User currently offlinetim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14625 times:

SIN makes no money in terms of PAX, it is on the Kangaroo route which on here umpteen times has been said it is not a great route for profits most of it is upgrades no premium money is made for passengers... SIN is a profitable CARGO destination
Also with regards to profitable... one question no one has asked/answered...

Are we talking in terms of Pax, Cargo carried or both at the same time because there are some BA routes that make no/little money in passenger revenue but huge amounts in terms of cargo... ie SIN


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14449 times:
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No one outside of the board of directors route revenue managers, and company accounts KNOW.
This is the MOST COMMERCIALLY SENSITIVE DATA for any airline.

Even the City DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE.

They may be provided with delta information, they can analyise CAA boarding figures, They can analysis published revenues and see trends from the last posted public trading figures.

All will provide evidence but only BA really know and they ain't telling the competition !


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14249 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 10):
TIP does not come as a surprise

This just confirms that no one knows what are the most profitable BA routes. The TIP flights have about 10 people on each of them. The only thing that could keep it profitable is if it was receiving subsidies from the Libyan or UK government.

Unless we can backup our information this thread seems a waste of time. It's all just wild speculation.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2980 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14167 times:
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Quoting babybus (Reply 17):
Unless we can backup our information this thread seems a waste of time. It's all just wild speculation.

SPOT ON !


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13925 times:

What about all that holiday traffic out of LGW,   
Must be some good profit there.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 17):
Unless we can backup our information this thread seems a waste of time. It's all just wild speculation.
Quoting babybus (Reply 17):
The TIP flights have about 10 people on each of them.

Can you back up your infomation on this please?

It's not wild speculation, it's educated guesses. If you take it for what it is worth it can be more helpful than nothing.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13829 times:
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Johannesberg has always been profitbable for Britiah Airways with all the multinational based there.

User currently offlinenclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13766 times:

BA always referred to JFK as the jewel in the crown (they said themselves Concorde would never have worked at all without it), but they have downgraded a lot of 744 to 777 service recently....

User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13493 times:

I'd say their African routes are among their most profitable. Places like LOS, ACC, JNB, LAD are supposed to be goldmines. Their Saudi Arabian+Gulf routes should have very healthy yields as well, due to the upfront demand for full fare F/J and the amount of business traffic there.
I have mixed feelings about LHR-JFK. On one hand it's their prized jewel in the crown, on the other hand Europe-North America is notoriously competitive. Let's not confuse prestige with profitability.
Same thing about the Indian routes-in recent years a lot of cuts have been made, plus the global recession impacted the demand for air travel, and this hit premium yields hard. Indian carriers sure have upped the ante by improving their offerings drastically to the UK, and of course the Gulf carriers have eaten a lot into that market.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13449 times:

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 22):
BA always referred to JFK as the jewel in the crown (they said themselves Concorde would never have worked at all without it), but they have downgraded a lot of 744 to 777 service recently....

JFK is anything but the most profitable. It may be the most prestigious but TATL yields as a general rule are not that high because of the huge amount of competition. If you'll look closer you'll find that in order to maintain their high number of frequencies they have to lower the fares. BA is almost always the cheapest carrier across the Atlantic.


25 jfk777 : Its no quotincidence that BA 744's have 14 F seats and 777(a few have 17F) also have 15 F seats. The 777 J class seat count is a few less but still n
26 yellowtail : to North America....I would bet IAH is right up there.
27 kurbitur : Why are LOS and ACC so profitable ? Excuse me I ask but, what's so big going on in Nigeria and Ghana compared to New York or Dubai ?
28 330lover : Less competition, and historical ties with the UK?
29 seemyseems : There is a large Ghanian and Nigerian population in the UK, plus companies like Shell have a large presence in Nigeria.
30 KrisYYZ : BA has continuly scaled back its YYZ ops. YYZ went to from a daily B744 + B772 to daily 2x B763 in the winter and 1 B772 and 1 B763 in the summer. No
31 SAM1987 : Apparently most of the long haul routes from LGW do better than most of the long haul routes from LHR. Agreed. Don't forget the A318s from LCY and th
32 contrails15 : Okay, so to calm everyone down how about we call the thread "What do you think are BA most profitable routes?" Okay, everyone feel better now.
33 hardiwv : Surely LHR-GRU-EZE is a top performer, it was mentioned the route is among BA top performers in F class worldwide. Rgs,
34 747fan : Maybe the most prestigious but certainly not the most profitable. Yes, LON-NYC gets lots of premium traffic and a high volume of traffic overall, but
35 as739x : Toronto? I wouldn't think so considering 1 flight is a 767, but I could be wrong. Any 777 in San Francisco was a swap. I have worked at SFO for 14 ye
36 Jacobin777 : While I don't know what BA's most profitable routes are, it is known that 40% of BA's revenues come from North America.
37 BD338 : Depends how you want to measure profitability. Is it total monetary profit on a route, the profit/mile, per flight or as a % of revenue? For the profi
38 s4popo : gross or net revenues? big difference
39 AIR MALTA : Tel Aviv must be one of the most lucrative routes... Prices are always very high!
40 DTWLAX : PHX cannot even sustain a daily service.... I would not be surprised if BA is losing money on this route If that is the case, I would put LAX over SF
41 Post contains links DFWEagle : On page 2 of the CAA document below, is a chart which they claim shows the profitability of BA's top 30 routes in 2005 by total profit amount, with th
42 EricR : It may not be BA's most profitable route, but I am willing to bet it is not a money loser. This is the only non-stop European route out of a city wit
43 directorguy : Nigeria and Accra and especially Nigeria have tons of high-yielding business traffic (oil, amongst other things) not just with the UK but with countr
44 readytotaxi : WoW, that is an eye opener.
45 Post contains images SQ_EK_freak : That's highly surprising, given that ATH is a traditionally low yielding destination. Now that makes sense, and I've heard more rumours along those l
46 JasonCRH : Houston is undoubtedly one of the most profitable routes.
47 jfk777 : Africa has always been among the most profitable continents for BA, Lagos has to be a diamond mine for them. South Africa should be huge too.
48 vv701 : With the number of premium class seats on this route every day this must be the case. While yields on certain other routes may well be higher, none c
49 Pe@rson : Why don't you, and others, just look at the CAA link provided herein? While it's from 2005, and thus old, it must be still pretty reflective of the t
50 Post contains images gkirk : MAN-JFK... Oh wait
51 Sketty222 : I remember being briefed in the not so distant past that NYC was the top earner and second believe it or not was EDI. Now EDI has a lot of "Finance" t
52 hardiwv : Add GRU. Rgs,
53 Post contains images bojangles : So basically this thread is all about people claiming their home port to be one of the most profitable in the BA network. Am I wrong?
54 Pe@rson : Essentially! I don't understand why people don't just look at the CAA document from 2005 that lists BA's most profitable routes. Yes, it's 5 years' o
55 columbia107 : LGW/ Bermuda They have the monopoly on the route and most people who fly to and out of Bermuda are business travellers paying premium prices or high e
56 airbazar : The report was published 5 years ago but it doesn't say how old the data is, which is likely to be even older. A lot has changed since (it could be a
57 Pe@rson : However, it is, as I hitherto said, "still pretty reflective of the truth" - and endlessly better than A.nutters randomly selecting their favourite o
58 Jacobin777 : Can't remember..in fact, I'm not even so sure if either was mentioned..
59 bastew : Its definitely these kind of routes. I did an internal 'Premium Service Training' course a few months ago and ACC/LOS/JNB all featured in the top fiv
60 RJ111 : Well actually, I've heard that BA do quite well on the London routes, particularly LGW and LHR. Supposedly there's pretty good yields on these routes
61 Soxfan : I've noticed BOS has not been mentioned. How does BA do on this route?
62 I380North : Duh,,,,what a big secret we don't already know. Thanks for letting it out !!!!!!!
63 AIR MALTA : Well EDI must be a very good route for BA. This summer, it is almost an A321 only operation. A lot of capacity there added to the 7 daily flights to
64 vv701 : According to the CAA / ABN Amro data presented in the link provided by DFWEagle in Reply 41, BOS ranked second in terms of absolute profit after only
65 BD338 : ..an intriguing read indeed. No surprises that JFK was the largest generator of margin. I assume the EBIT % is on the same scale as the monetary prof
66 BA747 : What about MIA? Twice a day with full load on a 747-400? You have to make profit or otherwise they would have drop the flight long time ago. Look what
67 Pe@rson : The percentage of business travellers flying BA on LHR-JFK might be surprisingly low (29%), but because BA carries so many people on the route (2,929
68 directorguy : Keep in mind that it's always said that a lot of people going on these 'holiday' routes tend to burn miles, so no actual revenue generated from these
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