j0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17033 times:
Are there any sources to that? If it's just speculation, I would speculate that India as a whole may be profitable by the level of service it receives.
BOM - 2x Daily
DEL - 2x Daily
HYD - 1x Daily
BLR - 1x Daily
MAA - 5x Weekly
gojetset From United States of America, joined May 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16104 times:
How about SFO? it has been twice daily 747 for quite some time ( IIRC I do remember seeing some BA 777 at SFO, but I believe for the most part it has maintained 747 aircraft on both the early evening and late evening departures) This leads me to believe that loads must be high, so it could possible be a profitable route, if it gets double 747 service.
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1326 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15651 times:
I love these speculation threads. Of course, much of this information is confidential and internal to BA, save for analysis performed by the City analysts. This said, a little common sense and thought should provide the answers.
willd From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15575 times:
AS others have said this is highly confidential within BA and I doubt anyone who knows will be able to say so.
However lets get this clear, a 744 daily service to a US airport (or even twice daily) doesnt automatically mean its profitable. A plane can be 100% full but if the yields on it are rubbish it is not going to make you much money.
Purely speculating I would imagine that as well as the usual suspects a number of African destinations will be thrown into the mix.
tim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14756 times:
SIN makes no money in terms of PAX, it is on the Kangaroo route which on here umpteen times has been said it is not a great route for profits most of it is upgrades no premium money is made for passengers... SIN is a profitable CARGO destination
Also with regards to profitable... one question no one has asked/answered...
Are we talking in terms of Pax, Cargo carried or both at the same time because there are some BA routes that make no/little money in passenger revenue but huge amounts in terms of cargo... ie SIN
This just confirms that no one knows what are the most profitable BA routes. The TIP flights have about 10 people on each of them. The only thing that could keep it profitable is if it was receiving subsidies from the Libyan or UK government.
Unless we can backup our information this thread seems a waste of time. It's all just wild speculation.
directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13624 times:
I'd say their African routes are among their most profitable. Places like LOS, ACC, JNB, LAD are supposed to be goldmines. Their Saudi Arabian+Gulf routes should have very healthy yields as well, due to the upfront demand for full fare F/J and the amount of business traffic there.
I have mixed feelings about LHR-JFK. On one hand it's their prized jewel in the crown, on the other hand Europe-North America is notoriously competitive. Let's not confuse prestige with profitability.
Same thing about the Indian routes-in recent years a lot of cuts have been made, plus the global recession impacted the demand for air travel, and this hit premium yields hard. Indian carriers sure have upped the ante by improving their offerings drastically to the UK, and of course the Gulf carriers have eaten a lot into that market.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13580 times:
Quoting nclmedic (Reply 22): BA always referred to JFK as the jewel in the crown (they said themselves Concorde would never have worked at all without it), but they have downgraded a lot of 744 to 777 service recently....
JFK is anything but the most profitable. It may be the most prestigious but TATL yields as a general rule are not that high because of the huge amount of competition. If you'll look closer you'll find that in order to maintain their high number of frequencies they have to lower the fares. BA is almost always the cheapest carrier across the Atlantic.
: Its no quotincidence that BA 744's have 14 F seats and 777(a few have 17F) also have 15 F seats. The 777 J class seat count is a few less but still n
: to North America....I would bet IAH is right up there.
: Why are LOS and ACC so profitable ? Excuse me I ask but, what's so big going on in Nigeria and Ghana compared to New York or Dubai ?
: Less competition, and historical ties with the UK?
: There is a large Ghanian and Nigerian population in the UK, plus companies like Shell have a large presence in Nigeria.
: BA has continuly scaled back its YYZ ops. YYZ went to from a daily B744 + B772 to daily 2x B763 in the winter and 1 B772 and 1 B763 in the summer. No
: Apparently most of the long haul routes from LGW do better than most of the long haul routes from LHR. Agreed. Don't forget the A318s from LCY and th
: Okay, so to calm everyone down how about we call the thread "What do you think are BA most profitable routes?" Okay, everyone feel better now.
: Surely LHR-GRU-EZE is a top performer, it was mentioned the route is among BA top performers in F class worldwide. Rgs,
: Maybe the most prestigious but certainly not the most profitable. Yes, LON-NYC gets lots of premium traffic and a high volume of traffic overall, but
: Toronto? I wouldn't think so considering 1 flight is a 767, but I could be wrong. Any 777 in San Francisco was a swap. I have worked at SFO for 14 ye
: While I don't know what BA's most profitable routes are, it is known that 40% of BA's revenues come from North America.
: Depends how you want to measure profitability. Is it total monetary profit on a route, the profit/mile, per flight or as a % of revenue? For the profi