kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14789 times:
Narita???
They just reduced that route from 2 to 1 daily flight.
j0rdan From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14456 times:
Are there any sources to that? If it's just speculation, I would speculate that India as a whole may be profitable by the level of service it receives.
BOM - 2x Daily
DEL - 2x Daily
HYD - 1x Daily
BLR - 1x Daily
MAA - 5x Weekly
RIXrat From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 773 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14210 times:
How about PHX, since they fly a 744 out of there six times a week, if I'm correct.
chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 5972 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13979 times:
I highly doubt PHX is on the list, in the past the airline has toyed with the idea of pullin hte plug on the route.. PHX is more of a liesure destination rather than a business destination.
gojetset From United States of America, joined May 2007, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13527 times:
How about SFO? it has been twice daily 747 for quite some time ( IIRC I do remember seeing some BA 777 at SFO, but I believe for the most part it has maintained 747 aircraft on both the early evening and late evening departures) This leads me to believe that loads must be high, so it could possible be a profitable route, if it gets double 747 service.
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13074 times:
I love these speculation threads. Of course, much of this information is confidential and internal to BA, save for analysis performed by the City analysts. This said, a little common sense and thought should provide the answers.
willd From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12998 times:
AS others have said this is highly confidential within BA and I doubt anyone who knows will be able to say so.
However lets get this clear, a 744 daily service to a US airport (or even twice daily) doesnt automatically mean its profitable. A plane can be 100% full but if the yields on it are rubbish it is not going to make you much money.
Purely speculating I would imagine that as well as the usual suspects a number of African destinations will be thrown into the mix.
tim222 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12179 times:
SIN makes no money in terms of PAX, it is on the Kangaroo route which on here umpteen times has been said it is not a great route for profits most of it is upgrades no premium money is made for passengers... SIN is a profitable CARGO destination
Also with regards to profitable... one question no one has asked/answered...
Are we talking in terms of Pax, Cargo carried or both at the same time because there are some BA routes that make no/little money in passenger revenue but huge amounts in terms of cargo... ie SIN
rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12003 times:
No one outside of the board of directors route revenue managers, and company accounts KNOW.
This is the MOST COMMERCIALLY SENSITIVE DATA for any airline.
Even the City DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE.
They may be provided with delta information, they can analyise CAA boarding figures, They can analysis published revenues and see trends from the last posted public trading figures.
All will provide evidence but only BA really know and they ain't telling the competition !
This just confirms that no one knows what are the most profitable BA routes. The TIP flights have about 10 people on each of them. The only thing that could keep it profitable is if it was receiving subsidies from the Libyan or UK government.
Unless we can backup our information this thread seems a waste of time. It's all just wild speculation.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11383 times:
Johannesberg has always been profitbable for Britiah Airways with all the multinational based there.
nclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 326 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11320 times:
BA always referred to JFK as the jewel in the crown (they said themselves Concorde would never have worked at all without it), but they have downgraded a lot of 744 to 777 service recently....
directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1569 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11047 times:
I'd say their African routes are among their most profitable. Places like LOS, ACC, JNB, LAD are supposed to be goldmines. Their Saudi Arabian+Gulf routes should have very healthy yields as well, due to the upfront demand for full fare F/J and the amount of business traffic there.
I have mixed feelings about LHR-JFK. On one hand it's their prized jewel in the crown, on the other hand Europe-North America is notoriously competitive. Let's not confuse prestige with profitability.
Same thing about the Indian routes-in recent years a lot of cuts have been made, plus the global recession impacted the demand for air travel, and this hit premium yields hard. Indian carriers sure have upped the ante by improving their offerings drastically to the UK, and of course the Gulf carriers have eaten a lot into that market.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6890 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11003 times:
Quoting nclmedic (Reply 22): BA always referred to JFK as the jewel in the crown (they said themselves Concorde would never have worked at all without it), but they have downgraded a lot of 744 to 777 service recently....
JFK is anything but the most profitable. It may be the most prestigious but TATL yields as a general rule are not that high because of the huge amount of competition. If you'll look closer you'll find that in order to maintain their high number of frequencies they have to lower the fares. BA is almost always the cheapest carrier across the Atlantic.
25 jfk777: Its no quotincidence that BA 744's have 14 F seats and 777(a few have 17F) also have 15 F seats. The 777 J class seat count is a few less but still n
26 yellowtail: to North America....I would bet IAH is right up there.
27 kurbitur: Why are LOS and ACC so profitable ? Excuse me I ask but, what's so big going on in Nigeria and Ghana compared to New York or Dubai ?
28 330lover: Less competition, and historical ties with the UK?
29 seemyseems: There is a large Ghanian and Nigerian population in the UK, plus companies like Shell have a large presence in Nigeria.
30 KrisYYZ: BA has continuly scaled back its YYZ ops. YYZ went to from a daily B744 + B772 to daily 2x B763 in the winter and 1 B772 and 1 B763 in the summer. No
31 SAM1987: Apparently most of the long haul routes from LGW do better than most of the long haul routes from LHR. Agreed. Don't forget the A318s from LCY and th
32 contrails15: Okay, so to calm everyone down how about we call the thread "What do you think are BA most profitable routes?" Okay, everyone feel better now.
33 hardiwv: Surely LHR-GRU-EZE is a top performer, it was mentioned the route is among BA top performers in F class worldwide. Rgs,
34 747fan: Maybe the most prestigious but certainly not the most profitable. Yes, LON-NYC gets lots of premium traffic and a high volume of traffic overall, but
35 as739x: Toronto? I wouldn't think so considering 1 flight is a 767, but I could be wrong. Any 777 in San Francisco was a swap. I have worked at SFO for 14 ye
36 Jacobin777: While I don't know what BA's most profitable routes are, it is known that 40% of BA's revenues come from North America.
37 BD338: Depends how you want to measure profitability. Is it total monetary profit on a route, the profit/mile, per flight or as a % of revenue? For the profi
39 AIR MALTA: Tel Aviv must be one of the most lucrative routes... Prices are always very high!
40 DTWLAX: PHX cannot even sustain a daily service.... I would not be surprised if BA is losing money on this route If that is the case, I would put LAX over SF
41 DFWEagle: On page 2 of the CAA document below, is a chart which they claim shows the profitability of BA's top 30 routes in 2005 by total profit amount, with th
42 EricR: It may not be BA's most profitable route, but I am willing to bet it is not a money loser. This is the only non-stop European route out of a city wit
43 directorguy: Nigeria and Accra and especially Nigeria have tons of high-yielding business traffic (oil, amongst other things) not just with the UK but with countr
45 SQ_EK_freak: That's highly surprising, given that ATH is a traditionally low yielding destination. Now that makes sense, and I've heard more rumours along those l
46 JasonCRH: Houston is undoubtedly one of the most profitable routes.
47 jfk777: Africa has always been among the most profitable continents for BA, Lagos has to be a diamond mine for them. South Africa should be huge too.
48 vv701: With the number of premium class seats on this route every day this must be the case. While yields on certain other routes may well be higher, none c
49 Pe@rson: Why don't you, and others, just look at the CAA link provided herein? While it's from 2005, and thus old, it must be still pretty reflective of the t
51 Sketty222: I remember being briefed in the not so distant past that NYC was the top earner and second believe it or not was EDI. Now EDI has a lot of "Finance" t
53 bojangles: So basically this thread is all about people claiming their home port to be one of the most profitable in the BA network. Am I wrong?
54 Pe@rson: Essentially! I don't understand why people don't just look at the CAA document from 2005 that lists BA's most profitable routes. Yes, it's 5 years' o
55 columbia107: LGW/ Bermuda They have the monopoly on the route and most people who fly to and out of Bermuda are business travellers paying premium prices or high e
56 airbazar: The report was published 5 years ago but it doesn't say how old the data is, which is likely to be even older. A lot has changed since (it could be a
57 Pe@rson: However, it is, as I hitherto said, "still pretty reflective of the truth" - and endlessly better than A.nutters randomly selecting their favourite o
58 Jacobin777: Can't remember..in fact, I'm not even so sure if either was mentioned..
59 bastew: Its definitely these kind of routes. I did an internal 'Premium Service Training' course a few months ago and ACC/LOS/JNB all featured in the top fiv
60 RJ111: Well actually, I've heard that BA do quite well on the London routes, particularly LGW and LHR. Supposedly there's pretty good yields on these routes
61 Soxfan: I've noticed BOS has not been mentioned. How does BA do on this route?
62 I380North: Duh,,,,what a big secret we don't already know. Thanks for letting it out !!!!!!!
63 AIR MALTA: Well EDI must be a very good route for BA. This summer, it is almost an A321 only operation. A lot of capacity there added to the 7 daily flights to
64 vv701: According to the CAA / ABN Amro data presented in the link provided by DFWEagle in Reply 41, BOS ranked second in terms of absolute profit after only
65 BD338: ..an intriguing read indeed. No surprises that JFK was the largest generator of margin. I assume the EBIT % is on the same scale as the monetary prof
66 BA747: What about MIA? Twice a day with full load on a 747-400? You have to make profit or otherwise they would have drop the flight long time ago. Look what
67 Pe@rson: The percentage of business travellers flying BA on LHR-JFK might be surprisingly low (29%), but because BA carries so many people on the route (2,929
68 directorguy: Keep in mind that it's always said that a lot of people going on these 'holiday' routes tend to burn miles, so no actual revenue generated from these
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