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Delta Widget Really Blue?  
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

Hello there fellow enthusiasts. Currently in a little debate and don't like to make false statements. On another forum, someone posted a picture of the Spirit of Delta currently sitting in the hanger. Pretty much the nose of the a/c is black and the cheat-line is blue; that is clear. However, the question is whether it has always been like that. I always though the old scheme was black but some are saying it was always a dark blue.

Spirit of Delta in the DL Heritage Museum:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Spirit_of_Delta_Boeing_767-200.jpg


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5240 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7852 times:

The old scheme is a very dark blue that looked almost black from some angles. The only part of the scheme was the portion of the cheatline covering the nose and cockpit area. The picture below clearly illustrates the fact that the scheme was indeed blue.


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Nope. It was dark blue.
Too bad it is gone, it was one of the best liveries ever.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7438 times:

Always, dark blue..........


Although, if you go back, far enough, the Travelair, Stinson A & T were black with orange trim  



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Same debate as the old US Airways livery, it's dark blue.

The reason it looks black in older photos has largely to do with the quality of film photo processing and the quality of the scanner which scanned the photo. Digital photos have better color depth/accuracy.

The best way to see evidence that the widget livery is dark blue on the tail/cheatline is to look up photos of Delta L-1011s, one of the few aircraft to still wear that livery after digital photography became more prevalent.



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User currently offlinejosekmlb From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

I miss the widget and wish that the would bring it back for at least 1 for each mainline. It was a dark blue and the MD-88 really looked good in it.

User currently offlinePillowTester From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

Same debate with BOAC livery.


...said Dan jubilantly.
User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

How about the final TWA livery? Was that actually dark blue too?

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15727 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 7):
How about the final TWA livery? Was that actually dark blue too

I believe so.



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User currently offlineFCS110 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

BAC5252 Blue
BAC297 Orange (not red, but close)
BAC733 White letters


User currently offlineN31029 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 101 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 7):
How about the final TWA livery? Was that actually dark blue too

I believe so.

Hi Everyone.

Definitely so.

It was an absolutely stunning, drop-dead gorgeous livery that utilized a very, very dark shade of Blue as the accent color. In my humble (and admittedly very biased) opinion, it will be remembered as one of the sharpest liveries ever adorned by a commercial aircraft.

My airliners.net nickname, N31029, is actually in honor of the only Lockheed L-1011 to wear the "last livery" markings. Not only is the TriStar, in general, my all-time favorite aircraft, but this particular frame clearly stands out as the "greatest of the greats."

May she always be remembered fondly!

N31029

ps - the very sad 2nd photo is one I took of my beloved at LAS after she was taken out of service (notice the absence of the TWA name on the tail) and parked, awaiting what was to be a grim future




John 3:16
User currently offlineCARIBBEANSKY From US Virgin Islands, joined Jun 2010, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting josekmlb (Reply 5):
I miss the widget and wish that the would bring it back for at least 1 for each mainline.

I second that motion. I really do miss that livery and would love to see it on a 777 and 744.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting N31029 (Reply 10):

My airliners.net nickname, N31029, is actually in honor of the only Lockheed L-1011 to wear the "last livery" markings.

Cool! That was the first airplane I remember seeing in that livery, parked at JFK and looking very shiny.

And to tie in with the original topic of this thread, once bore the widget, too:

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User currently offlineericaasen From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

I really like that US has all of those retro-liveries and wish DL would do the same, including a few red tails of course.  

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3865 times:
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What a fascinating thread , I had always assumed that the classic DL livery was black and was very surprised to realise that it was a deep dark blue . I still think it was better than any of the 3 subsequent liveries , but the current one is certainly the next best way ahead of the wavy gravy and Ron Allen colours both of which are best forgotten . Thanks to the OP for starting this thread .   


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User currently offlineskyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Here's a link on delta.com that tells what the colors (red, white, and blue) and angles of the widget symbolized.
http://blog.delta.com/2009/09/25/ima...of-the-week-widget-logo-prototype/

It's too bad all of that was forgotten with the new, two-toned, red widget that points every which way on all of the DL signs. Most corporate brands portray a uniform image (think AA, UA, CO, NW, US, WN). The DL airport signs show a dizzying mix of widgets of different sizes pointing in all different directions. Can anyone explain the logic of that?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 4):
Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):



I would say Delta has put theit best foot forward when it comes to having one brand image. A/C repainting has been at lightning speed and I personally still can't believe how much a/c they have managed to repaint; including a very large portion of Delta Connection. Signage was also a HUGE deal. If I am not mistaken, all are in the current red brand. Now for the "every which way". I really don't know wha't you're referring to here. On any fixed structure, as far as i've seen, the widget is pointing to the right. Just as if you were looking at it from a/c right (mirrored on a/c left).

[Edited 2010-07-31 21:26:23]


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
NW,

Even if it did point to the "northeast" on the opposite side.  
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
What a fascinating thread , I had always assumed that the classic DL livery was black and was very surprised to realise that it was a deep dark blue . I still think it was better than any of the 3 subsequent liveries , but the current one is certainly the next best way ahead of the wavy gravy and Ron Allen colours both of which are best forgotten . Thanks to the OP for starting this thread .

This thread reminds me of the discussion I got into with a journalist, once. He insisted that the Chicago Bears' uniforms were black and orange instead of the actual deep, dark, navy blue and orange. The team's founder, George Halas, used the color scheme from his alma mater, the University of Illinois. While in some situations, it can look black, it is blue. I ended up sending this same journalist a photo to prove my point. I received a rather pithy response, in return.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):

It's too bad all of that was forgotten with the new, two-toned, red widget that points every which way on all of the DL signs. Most corporate brands portray a uniform image (think AA, UA, CO, NW, US, WN). The DL airport signs show a dizzying mix of widgets of different sizes pointing in all different directions. Can anyone explain the logic of that?

Idk, ive only seen the widget and wording read left to right pointing up to the right. Also, all aircraft widget show pointing skyward. So if you are on the captains side, it points up to the left and a mirror image on the other side (to the right) on the F/Os side.

So, IMO DL also portrays an "uniform image" throughout their branding, its just not as drab as all the others.

xjr



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 14):
but the current one is certainly the next best
Quoting skyguyB727 (Reply 15):
It's too bad all of that was forgotten with the new, two-toned, red widget that points every which way


..shortly after they introduced the current scheme, I did up the DC-9 scheme. I LIKE the two-tone widget, as it gives it a more modern look...I have grown to like the current titles. Later on I did the circular logo, to pay homage to the original widget...Now if only someone at Delta would turn the widget back into it's upright position on the tail...



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

The only thing that bugs me about the new livery (having gotten used to it) is that it seems like there is one size fits all. The DELTA that looks good on a DC-9 or Airbus, somehow looks too small on the 744 or other widebodies. Also, I've seen the tail design on a smaller a/c that looks too large compared with a larger a/c. I've been told that the painted contractors have a certain specification they must go by, but I wonder if they really do.


And, yes.......I wish the Widget on the tail was upright.



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