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Do Major Airlines Own EX Jets For CEO/Presidents?  
User currently offlineCLEpirate From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11401 times:

Curious... do the major commercial (know that FEDEX does) Air Carriers have Biz jets in fleets to transport Senior Executives or do these folks fly commercial?

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11365 times:

I can't think of one US carrier that has a dedicated business jet for senior officers today.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11292 times:

Delta has the Delta AirElite jet fleet that (similar to NetJets) can be rented out to anyone for use. http://www.airelite.com/contact.aspx

My guess is that the vast majority of the time, the airlines will use their regular fleet/flights to move people around, but like with pretty much any Fortune 500 company and their very senior executives, there likely will be times when a private jet is needed for efficiency purposes.


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11279 times:

The Delta Air Elite fleet is owned by companies and individuals and to my knowledge, none of the Delta Air Elite fleet are owned by Delta employees. Delta Air Elite simply manages and charters out the planes when they are not being used by the aircraft owner.

At one point, Mesa Airlines had a few quarter shares with NetJets or Flight Options. (according to AMSTAT)

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22925 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 11192 times:

Quoting BP1 (Reply 3):
At one point, Mesa Airlines had a few quarter shares with NetJets or Flight Options. (according to AMSTAT)

FWIW, it probably makes somewhat more sense for a regional to have such an arrangement, as unlike legacies, regionals don't necessarily fly between all of the cities that executives are likely to travel to; if Ornstein needs to get from Phoenix to Chicago to talk to United, there's not a straightforward way for him to do that on YV.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 11086 times:

As far as I know, airlines generally do not have business jets for internal use. There are however some airlines that have business jets either for charter operations or for their government, such as Delta AirElite or the Qatar Amiri flight.

Even manufacturers don't seem to have a fleet of corporate aircraft commensurate with their company size. I think Boeing has at least one BBJ and a few Challengers but that is about it. Airbus has chartered a few different planes for their corporate shuttles, which I think include some turboprops and used to include a Privatair A319CJ (maybe it still does). Bombardier does operate a completely in house shuttle on YZD-YMX with a Dash 8. I also think that a lot of corporate jet and general aviation manufacturers keep a pretty significant fleet, though it is probably used mostly for demonstration purposes.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10397 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 10993 times:

I'm pretty sure that all of DL's execs travel on positive space passes, especially for company travel.

This reminds me of years ago when Dave Garrett was still President and CEO. DL had recently gone to computerized seat selection and one agent in DFW, in particular, was removing the thru non-revs and putting his friends on board, instead. One day, obviously, he made the mistake of not taking a closer look at the names of the non-revs that were thru on a ATL-DFW-LAX flight. He removed the non-revs, including Mr. Garrett, and, because of that, he was gone by that afternoon.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

Harding Lawrence of Braniff was known for flying in the first class cabins of Braniff flights. It might have been better for him (and especially his employees) if he had gotten a private plane.


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User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1082 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 10876 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Harding Lawrence of Braniff was known for flying in the first class cabins of Braniff flights. It might have been better for him (and especially his employees) if he had gotten a private plane.

It might of been better for Braniff , if Harding Lawrence never became involved with aviation.   


User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 10749 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 8):
It might of been better for Braniff , if Harding Lawrence never became involved with aviation.

Easy now.. he might not have exited Braniff with the same bang that he entered with, but Braniff *WAS* marked with many profitable years before the end. Harding misread the signs regarding deregulation, but that's not to say Braniff would have been better without him.



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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 10488 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure that all of DL's execs travel on positive space passes, especially for company travel.


I have had as set companions 3 of DL's CEO's over the last 30+ years on normal scheduled flights! They do, though, get a bit of extra assistance at the gates, such as a car waiting at the destination to whisk them off without entereing the concourse

Plus several other senior exec's. I found them all to be very pleasant and interesting to speak with.



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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 10338 times:

I believe TWA used to own a private a/c for it's execs, which went down pretty badly with most of it's employees...

User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

Pinnacle airlines/ Express Airlines 1 did have a Citation Jet. It used was used for the executives and also moving the maintenance crews around at night to fix broken planes. Not sure if they have it anymore or not. Probably not. Was thinking it was a model 2, maybe 3.

User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1714 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

One of the defenses of private jets is moving a number of technicians/critical parts to urgent temporary duty, and obviously this could be needed in the airline business. Does anyone have any idea of how many flights are of this nature?


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5027 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting CLEpirate (Thread starter):
Curious... do the major commercial (know that FEDEX does) Air Carriers have Biz jets in fleets to transport Senior Executives or do these folks fly commercial?

Not an airline, but Boeing has several BBJ's and Challengers that transport Senior Execs.



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User currently offlineUTAH744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 9872 times:

When I started with North Central Airlines in 1975 they had one CV-580 that was in executive configuration. It sat about 15 with oversized seats and sofas. The executives did use it occasionally to do business, but mostly it was used for pilot training. The airline joke was that the CEO, Hal Carr, had his initials on the faucets in the bathroom (H and C.)


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User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):

True, but he gets space positive seats for himself and his wife on all United USAirways flight. I am sure there are others, those are just the ones I know off the top of my head.

On YV, he gets space positive for his whole family too.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

When Frank Wolf was running USAir he leased a private jet to get him around.

I used to see him all the time at Signature DCA trying to look incognito.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

At NW they always used the scheduled flights, only if need be they chartered one of their own aircraft, usually an A320. The NW 320 was often seen at BFI when NW execs met with Boeing about stuff... how ironic they would use an A320 to go visit Boeing.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6616 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Airbus has chartered a few different planes for their corporate shuttles, which I think include some turboprops and used to include a Privatair A319CJ (maybe it still does).

On privatair website :

Quote:
Between 2003 and 2008, PrivatAir operated a corporate shuttle service for Airbus executives and employees between the group’s European production sites using two Airbus A319 aircraft. Each aircraft was configured in a single cabin with 126 identical leather seats throughout. The in-flight service was all-business-class, with four cabin attendants serving a superb choice of menus and beverages. Both aircraft were based in Germany and operated between Toulouse (France), Hamburg (Germany) and Filton/Broughton (United Kingdom), five days per week.

So I guess it's over, but they should have something else going on, because this was not just execs moving, but all kind of employees.



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User currently offlinecrjfixer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 12):
Pinnacle airlines/ Express Airlines 1 did have a Citation Jet. It used was used for the executives and also moving the maintenance crews around at night to fix broken planes. Not sure if they have it anymore or not. Probably not. Was thinking it was a model 2, maybe 3.

Was a Citation II , N11FH, Highest time Citation II still flying, It was sold a few years ago but is still flying from what i hear.

God i miss that thing, made many trips to go recover aircraft in it....It saved alot of flights when we could throw a part and mech on the jet and have a plane fixed at outstations by morning.


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Back in 1990 ish, the then BA Chairman, Lord King, had his own private King Air.
He leased it out to BA occasionally. One night it arrived at ARN at 0200 with an AOG
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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 11):
I believe TWA used to own a private a/c for it's execs, which went down pretty badly with most of it's employees..

I don't know about that, but

Quoting frmrCapCadet (Reply 13):
One of the defenses of private jets is moving a number of technicians/critical parts to urgent temporary duty, and obviously this could be needed in the airline business. Does anyone have any idea of how many flights are of this nature?

TWA did used to have a Fairchild C-82 Packet that flew around Europe with the purpose of carrying engines and parts for the airline's fleet. It was nicknamed "Ontos" (Greek for thing) or the "Motor Toter."

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Not an airline, but Boeing has several BBJ's and Challengers that transport Senior Execs.

I don't think that their fleet is that large, and I think it is pretty much reserved for only top executives as they seem to prefer patronizing airlines. I do know that McDonnell Douglas used to have some LearJets and King Airs which would sometimes carry mid to lower ranking employees if they needed to be somewhere.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 19):
So I guess it's over, but they should have something else going on, because this was not just execs moving, but all kind of employees.

I think now Airbus uses smaller planes, but I can't find any specifics at the moment. I'm sure someone else will chime in.



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

U.S. airlines have used business jets for executive travel in the past.

Continental had a North American Sabreliner 40 for pilot training and exec use. Actually, they had two - the first one crashed when a thrust reverser deployed during climbout, after dropping off Bob Six and his wife Audrey Meodows in Colorado. The second Sabreliner was a replacement.

TWA had two Lockheed Jetstars for pilot training, I'm not sure if they were also used for corporate travel.

The original National Airlines had a Jet Commander 1121 then an Aero Commander 690 which NAL Bud Maytag flew himself, I'm not sure if they were his personal airplanes or paid for by the company.

Eastern had a Jetstar and an Aero Commander 500B they flew in the early 1970s for executive use. Russ Farris


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 23):
TWA had two Lockheed Jetstars for pilot training, I'm not sure if they were also used for corporate travel.

The had modified cockpits so they looked like Boeings. I think one was supposed to be a 707 and the other a 727.



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25 DUALRATED : COMAIR HOLDINGS had a Challenger for the big wigs back in the 90's can't say if they do today because they are now Delta owned.
26 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : View Large View MediumPhoto © David O. HillView Large View MediumPhoto © George W. HamlinView Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Groot
27 bravo1six : The shuttle is YZD-YUL.
28 BP1 : The bigger question is the value of time these planes provide and the ability to work in confidence during flight. These planes are not all for show -
29 Post contains images BMI727 : Certainly not, quite the opposite in fact. The show is just incidental for the most part. This probably doesn't tend to be an issue for airlines, as
30 HiJazzey : Not really. It's an executive perk in the end of the day. Shareholders haven't had much power to reign in their execs, as can be seen with spiralling
31 BMI727 : Wrong. You have to understand that the people at the top of these large companies may be responsible for making hundreds of thousands of dollars an h
32 2H4 : Can be, but now more than ever, shareholders demand that such tools be used in an efficient and cost-effective manner. In this sense, corporate aircr
33 JETnyc : Great question, i've thought about that.
34 HiJazzey : Dude, Executive pay is a classic agency problem. It's completely out of scale with shareholder return (the comparison with wages is even worse). Supi
35 BMI727 : Don't you think they would try to do more than that if they thought it was a real problem? Wouldn't you try to avoid investing in a company where the
36 Post contains images mrskyguy : You're really ralking out of your , Jazzey.. regardless of whatever institution you used to work for. I work in sales, specifically in aviation sales
37 413X3 : In todays age of video-conferencing, there is almost no reason that an executive needs to get somewhere asap, unless his family wants to take a holid
38 jfk777 : Most US airline don't have Executive jets, chances are very high the airline flies where teh CEO needs to go on business. Herb Kellner from Southwest
39 BMI727 : And yet there are still many business travelers on all sorts of aircraft, private or otherwise. Why do you suppose that is? Could the demise of busin
40 Dl767captain : It wouldn't surprise me if they had executive jets. But is there really a need for them? It seems like anywhere the CEO needs to go for business their
41 chase : TZ had a bizjet for executive travel. Once a coworker of mine in the IT dept got a ride on it - I think she happened to be going to the same place tha
42 COS777 : I'd think the most cost effective method would be to have the executives fly on normal flights whenever possible. After that, either charter a busines
43 Viscount724 : Many executives can also use their corporate jets for personal tra vel. While the executive is charged for such use based on a government-mandated fo
44 Cubsrule : It depends on the industry, doesn't it? It's tough to videoconference with an entire plant.
45 Post contains links MNMncrcnwjr : Prior to that, NC used a retired DC-3 ship 728, Which is Now in NW Red livery and in the Henry Ford museum in Dearborn MI. I had a flight on this bir
46 413X3 : because for the longest time it was a tax right-off for corporations to fly jets
47 Post contains images Viscount724 : SQ operates 6 Learjet 45s for pilot training, normally based at their training site in Australia. Four were delivered in 1999 and replaced 4 earlier L
48 CLEpirate : wow lots of good comments....I am nuetral either way. think the argument that they dont need because then can get to every city doesnt hold up. they c
49 WesternA318 : Hey now.. Braniff would've been just another airtline without him, as would have Continental. At least with CO, him and Bob Six were almost inseperab
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