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DL - Record Holder For Longest 757-200 Route?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 22987 times:

Hey all,

I was going through some pictures of DL winglet 757's in the database and noticed one of a 75E in BSB. Checking the distance on GCM for ATL-BSB, I was shocked to see a route distance of 4170mi / 3623nm / 6711km

Is this currently the longest revenue service for a 757 in the world?? ATL-BSB seems to beat all the previous record-holders:

ATL-BSB: 4170mi
DTW-FRA: 4161mi
CVG-AMS: 4142mi
EWR-TXL: 3980mi



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A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22498 times:

Didn't Delta recently (June 9?) do a one-time-only-scheduled 757 TPAC from NRT-SEA? Thats 4769 sm/4144 nm/7674 km


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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22034 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Didn't Delta recently (June 9?) do a one-time-only-scheduled 757 TPAC from NRT-SEA? Thats 4769 sm/4144 nm/7674 km

It was scheduled for June 9 but operated as a ferry flight instead.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4548 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20261 times:

If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20220 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 2):

Looks like DL plans on running one on 9/18

flt. 8770 655p-1255p 75A



yep.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25062 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20160 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi.

  
A North-South routing like ATL-BSB is vastly different than a East-West route like IND-AMS.

There is minimal wind component to deal with on a N-S route versus fighting jet stream on E-W routing.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4548 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19974 times:

They did DTW and FRA which is only 10mi difference. There is very little difference in path between DTW-FRA and IND-AMS. I was also told by a NW 757-200 TATL pilot that there is no issue with fuel making a run like IND-AMS on that jet. Was told that when they fly routes like DTW-FRA and DTW-DUS they have plenty of fuel left.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22871 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19741 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 6):
Was told that when they fly routes like DTW-FRA and DTW-DUS they have plenty of fuel left.

Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19468 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).

DTW-DUS ran well into the winter. It took scheduled weight limits but far less than one would expect.



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19373 times:

So..... I think the answer is yes?


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19330 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Quoting Indy (Reply 6):

Just remember, DL's 75As have more seats than they did with NW.



yep.
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22871 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19069 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
DTW-DUS ran well into the winter. It took scheduled weight limits but far less than one would expect.

...although, to be fair, it's 100 miles shorter than DTWFRA or INDAMS.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18972 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
...although, to be fair, it's 100 miles shorter than DTWFRA or INDAMS.

Indeed.

DTW-FRA and DTW-BRU were both quite short-lived. DTW-DUS ran almost a year, from what I remember.



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18306 times:

US used to do PHL-ARN which is 4009mi on the 757.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4548 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18138 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).

I talked to the pilot about the west bound service and whether there was a risk of needing a fuel stop. He expressed absolutely no concern. I believe it was at that point he stated the always had plenty of fuel left in the tanks. If the pilot of the TATL 757 would express no concern then I have to believe the route is doable. If anyone would know it would be him.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22871 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17960 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
I talked to the pilot about the west bound service and whether there was a risk of needing a fuel stop.

Again, NW has never run anything as long as INDAMS in the winter (nor, for that matter, has DL - CVGAMS is another one that ran summer only).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17804 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Again, NW has never run anything as long as INDAMS in the winter (nor, for that matter, has DL - CVGAMS is another one that ran summer only).

Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17770 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 16):
Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.

The NW 757-251 had PW2037 motors versus the RR counterpart as seen on the CO 757-224. The PW has both a lighter dry weight and lower SFC than the RR - thus the longer range.



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17743 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi

2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3203 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17607 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

IND has been a NW focus city for many years and has a considerable FF base.

Between that and and the significant KLM partnership, it's quite possible. It's at the *very* extreme edge of what a 757 can do, albeit still possible.



A340-500: 4 engines 4 long haul. 777-200LR: 2 engines 4 longer haul
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22871 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 17148 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

How many passengers per day does Indianapolis send to Europe?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16955 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
Quoting Lemurs (Reply 16):
Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.

The NW 757-251 had PW2037 motors versus the RR counterpart as seen on the CO 757-224. The PW has both a lighter dry weight and lower SFC than the RR - thus the longer range.

The 752s operated by NW to Europe also had 14 fewer seats than CO's 752s, with a couple of inches more seat pitch in Y class.

NW - 16 J, 144 Y, total 160
CO - 16 J, 159 Y, total 174


User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 16864 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

Really? Wow, I didn't know you worked in route planning and have access to all this information.

Do you consider DTW a 2nd-tier city at all? Or does it meet whatever your criteria for 1st-tier is?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4548 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16810 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

Actually this particular one does. I did some research on it a few years ago. The Commerce Department is a great source of information.  



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16341 times:

TZ made quite a few long hauls in the 75s, here are a few charters they did (with passengers on board, these were not ferry flights):

DTW-FCO // 4015 nm
TPE-ANC // 4065 nm
BIF-SNN // 4167 nm
HIK-ADW // 4212 nm
IND-BUD // 4247 nm
HNL-EWR // 4310 nm

Those were all revenue flights, it gets even longer if you count ferries:

IND-NSY // 4471 nm
MDW-NSY // 4451 nm

And the winner...RJOI (MCAS Iwakuni) -SEA // 4488 nm   



ATA - an honestly different airline.
25 planesarecool : During the Winter, Finnair have regular 757 charter flights from Helsinki to Cancun, Puerto Plata, Holguin, Langkawi, Penang, Krabi and Phuket, all of
26 catiii : But why would they want to?
27 EddieDude : Didn't MX once do CUN-EZE with a 752 nonstop?
28 SCL767 : Last Winter, Finnair also operated a weekly flight from Helsinki to MIA via YHZ. Icelandair operates a twice weekly non-stop B752 service between KEF
29 LAXintl : Hmm. I just did a quick check of MIDT data and combined London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Zurich, Madrid total demand is 167 PDEW. You'd be hard p
30 BMI727 : St. Louis could probably do a 767 in the summer. I've heard that the number of transatlantic pax from there each day is ~300.
31 Post contains links 330lover : Longest routes per aircraft type have been discussed in this topic: Longest N/S Route Per Aircraft Type (A Vs B) (by 330lover Jul 26 2010 in Aviation
32 BMI727 : ATL-BSB is the longest distance, but I would venture a guess that AMS-CVG is longer in terms of air miles.
33 MAH4546 : Icelandair has not flown to Orlando for quite a while now.
34 SCL767 : According to their website, KEF-SFB will operate twice weekly beginning on 11/09/2010.
35 kurbitur : Someone told me that Icelandair had so little fuel left during KEF-MCO that sometime if they had struggle with winds en route you could count the gall
36 spud757 : it's on their current route map
37 SCL767 : Icelandair utilizes Orlando-SFB, not Orlando-MCO.
38 iliribdl : We took that in Dec. going to DUS and Jan returning. (about 3 or 4 years ago)
39 EddieDude : According to Great Circle Mapper, ATL-BSB is 4,170 mi CVG-AMS is 4,142 mi CUN-EZE is 4,269 mi, and KEF-SFB is 3,511 mi.
40 Post contains images fxramper : Does anyone have enough time to list AA, CO, DL, UA, and US longest (scheduled) 757 route?
41 crj200faguy : Wow, you indy folks sure get defensive about your city. It's status as a focus city was greatly diminished with the merger. GRR has a lot of FFs. Does
42 kurbitur : sorry, I ment Orlando Sanford... just still used to MCO
43 Indy : Because the customers want nonstop service. It is a huge time saver and time is money. Because the DL service was a bit random for PIT. They don't ha
44 Viscount724 : Doesn't MIDT data only cover travel agent bookings through Amadeus? It must be significantly understated by excluding the other major GDSs, as well a
45 Post contains links LAXintl : MIDT is GDS data, however now the info is also combined with BSP ( Billing Settlement Plan) info which adds in further color for international segmen
46 Viscount724 : The IATA data still doesn't include airlines' own sales. That's just an estimate.
47 Post contains links LAXintl : Depends on the airline -- LCC vs GDS user, but with BSP included it help capture the segment thanks to the financial transaction. Anyhow for internat
48 catiii : Thanks scoop, every city wants nonstop service to Europe. Why would DL want to fly it? As the poster below said: They were raiding a former hub. And
49 TOMMY767 : Well UA's is easy since they don't fly TATL. It's probably BOS-SFO.
50 Flighty : I think a big issue is irregular days, storms and lane / divert closings. While mr. pilot is no doubt correct that 98% of the days it's absolutely fi
51 Post contains images PITrules : And PIT's PDEW to Europe and beyond is 407 last report I saw. If IND is about 200 I don't see it working. As its capturing only 25% of the local tran
52 Indy : It isn't thin contrary to what another posted stated. If you wish to take the time yourself as I did and contact the Commerce Department you can get
53 Transpac787 : At 2704mi, UA actually has several routes longer than BOS-SFO. The longest overland route is ORD-ANC (or is it ANC-ORD these days?). Anyhow, that rou
54 TOMMY767 : I totally forgot about DEN-LIH with UA. How are the loads on that flight? That has to be like 6.5 hours easily from DEN going westbound. I also space
55 TWA902fly : It looks like DEN-LIH is scheduled for 7 hours 23 minutes (closer to 7 hours in the air i assume) LIH-DEN is 6 hours 43 minutes. If i remember correc
56 Post contains links TWA902fly : Here's a timetable from AA/TW after the takeover TW16 dep HNL 8:00pm arr STL 8:56am+1 TW15 shows as a one stop but i cant figure out where for STL-HN
57 catiii : Ok, so you post your numbers and let's see.
58 alexinwa : The 757 continues to outdo itself. Amazing A/C it is.
59 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Yakutia Airlines of Russia fly a longer non stop route than Delta's service to Brasilia. VKO-PKC; 4,228 miles with an outbound block time of 8 hours a
60 Post contains links and images catiii : Wow. The airplane in question: View Large View MediumPhoto © Diego Ruiz de Vargas - Iberian Spotters
61 Post contains links 330lover : Info like this could be posted here as well: Longest N/S Route Per Aircraft Type (A Vs B) (by 330lover Jul 26 2010 in Aviation Polls) I'll include it
62 caleb1 : Can an A321 match this type of performance?
63 MAS777 : Longest nonstop perhaps but Royal Brunei operated its 757s to Europe for a while although with stops usually at Dubai, IIRC.
64 BlueF9A320 : If you ask any any Airbusphile it doesn't need to, because it can already do 90% of the 757's missions, is much more fuel efficient and has the newes
65 catiii : Not to get into an A v B thing here, but isn't it a repackaged 320?
66 Post contains links and images PITrules : While it included two stops, Canada3000's YVR-HNL-NAN-SYD flights must have been one of the longest 757 services with regard to overall distance View
67 Post contains images deltal1011man : Is there anything an airbus can't do? but really, no...it can't. The 757 is what the 321 wishes it could be when it grows up.
68 jetblast : But your profile says you are a flight attendant? Why would you have this information? I suppose I could tell you I am the Prince of Luxembourg, whil
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