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DL - Record Holder For Longest 757-200 Route?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23079 times:

Hey all,

I was going through some pictures of DL winglet 757's in the database and noticed one of a 75E in BSB. Checking the distance on GCM for ATL-BSB, I was shocked to see a route distance of 4170mi / 3623nm / 6711km

Is this currently the longest revenue service for a 757 in the world?? ATL-BSB seems to beat all the previous record-holders:

ATL-BSB: 4170mi
DTW-FRA: 4161mi
CVG-AMS: 4142mi
EWR-TXL: 3980mi



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22590 times:

Didn't Delta recently (June 9?) do a one-time-only-scheduled 757 TPAC from NRT-SEA? Thats 4769 sm/4144 nm/7674 km


Just accept that some days, you're the pigeon, and other days the statue
User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22126 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Didn't Delta recently (June 9?) do a one-time-only-scheduled 757 TPAC from NRT-SEA? Thats 4769 sm/4144 nm/7674 km

It was scheduled for June 9 but operated as a ferry flight instead.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4566 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20353 times:

If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20312 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 2):

Looks like DL plans on running one on 9/18

flt. 8770 655p-1255p 75A



yep.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25387 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20252 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi.

  
A North-South routing like ATL-BSB is vastly different than a East-West route like IND-AMS.

There is minimal wind component to deal with on a N-S route versus fighting jet stream on E-W routing.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4566 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20066 times:

They did DTW and FRA which is only 10mi difference. There is very little difference in path between DTW-FRA and IND-AMS. I was also told by a NW 757-200 TATL pilot that there is no issue with fuel making a run like IND-AMS on that jet. Was told that when they fly routes like DTW-FRA and DTW-DUS they have plenty of fuel left.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19833 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 6):
Was told that when they fly routes like DTW-FRA and DTW-DUS they have plenty of fuel left.

Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19560 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).

DTW-DUS ran well into the winter. It took scheduled weight limits but far less than one would expect.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19465 times:

So..... I think the answer is yes?


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 9423 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19422 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Quoting Indy (Reply 6):

Just remember, DL's 75As have more seats than they did with NW.



yep.
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19161 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
DTW-DUS ran well into the winter. It took scheduled weight limits but far less than one would expect.

...although, to be fair, it's 100 miles shorter than DTWFRA or INDAMS.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
...although, to be fair, it's 100 miles shorter than DTWFRA or INDAMS.

Indeed.

DTW-FRA and DTW-BRU were both quite short-lived. DTW-DUS ran almost a year, from what I remember.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18398 times:

US used to do PHL-ARN which is 4009mi on the 757.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4566 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18230 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Again, westbound flights are the problem (and, FWIW, I don't think either DTWFRA or DTWDUS ran in the winter).

I talked to the pilot about the west bound service and whether there was a risk of needing a fuel stop. He expressed absolutely no concern. I believe it was at that point he stated the always had plenty of fuel left in the tanks. If the pilot of the TATL 757 would express no concern then I have to believe the route is doable. If anyone would know it would be him.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18052 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
I talked to the pilot about the west bound service and whether there was a risk of needing a fuel stop.

Again, NW has never run anything as long as INDAMS in the winter (nor, for that matter, has DL - CVGAMS is another one that ran summer only).



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17896 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Again, NW has never run anything as long as INDAMS in the winter (nor, for that matter, has DL - CVGAMS is another one that ran summer only).

Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.



There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17862 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 16):
Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.

The NW 757-251 had PW2037 motors versus the RR counterpart as seen on the CO 757-224. The PW has both a lighter dry weight and lower SFC than the RR - thus the longer range.


User currently offlinecrj200faguy From United States of America, joined May 2007, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17835 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
If they can do ATL-BSB then they should be able to do IND-AMS at 4171mi

2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17699 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

IND has been a NW focus city for many years and has a considerable FF base.

Between that and and the significant KLM partnership, it's quite possible. It's at the *very* extreme edge of what a 757 can do, albeit still possible.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23019 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17240 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

How many passengers per day does Indianapolis send to Europe?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17047 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
Quoting Lemurs (Reply 16):
Also, seeing as how CO's CGN-EWR regularly takes fuel stops with a 752 in the winter, I don't see how anyone could argue that DTW-FRA is somehow less impacted even though it is ~150 miles further on a virtually identical flight path.

The NW 757-251 had PW2037 motors versus the RR counterpart as seen on the CO 757-224. The PW has both a lighter dry weight and lower SFC than the RR - thus the longer range.

The 752s operated by NW to Europe also had 14 fewer seats than CO's 752s, with a couple of inches more seat pitch in Y class.

NW - 16 J, 144 Y, total 160
CO - 16 J, 159 Y, total 174


User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16956 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

Really? Wow, I didn't know you worked in route planning and have access to all this information.

Do you consider DTW a 2nd-tier city at all? Or does it meet whatever your criteria for 1st-tier is?



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4566 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16902 times:

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 18):
2nd tier midwest cities don't have the passengers to fill a transatlantic flight.

Actually this particular one does. I did some research on it a few years ago. The Commerce Department is a great source of information.  



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16433 times:

TZ made quite a few long hauls in the 75s, here are a few charters they did (with passengers on board, these were not ferry flights):

DTW-FCO // 4015 nm
TPE-ANC // 4065 nm
BIF-SNN // 4167 nm
HIK-ADW // 4212 nm
IND-BUD // 4247 nm
HNL-EWR // 4310 nm

Those were all revenue flights, it gets even longer if you count ferries:

IND-NSY // 4471 nm
MDW-NSY // 4451 nm

And the winner...RJOI (MCAS Iwakuni) -SEA // 4488 nm   



ATA - an honestly different airline.
25 planesarecool : During the Winter, Finnair have regular 757 charter flights from Helsinki to Cancun, Puerto Plata, Holguin, Langkawi, Penang, Krabi and Phuket, all of
26 catiii : But why would they want to?
27 EddieDude : Didn't MX once do CUN-EZE with a 752 nonstop?
28 SCL767 : Last Winter, Finnair also operated a weekly flight from Helsinki to MIA via YHZ. Icelandair operates a twice weekly non-stop B752 service between KEF
29 LAXintl : Hmm. I just did a quick check of MIDT data and combined London, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Zurich, Madrid total demand is 167 PDEW. You'd be hard p
30 BMI727 : St. Louis could probably do a 767 in the summer. I've heard that the number of transatlantic pax from there each day is ~300.
31 Post contains links 330lover : Longest routes per aircraft type have been discussed in this topic: Longest N/S Route Per Aircraft Type (A Vs B) (by 330lover Jul 26 2010 in Aviation
32 BMI727 : ATL-BSB is the longest distance, but I would venture a guess that AMS-CVG is longer in terms of air miles.
33 MAH4546 : Icelandair has not flown to Orlando for quite a while now.
34 SCL767 : According to their website, KEF-SFB will operate twice weekly beginning on 11/09/2010.
35 kurbitur : Someone told me that Icelandair had so little fuel left during KEF-MCO that sometime if they had struggle with winds en route you could count the gall
36 spud757 : it's on their current route map
37 SCL767 : Icelandair utilizes Orlando-SFB, not Orlando-MCO.
38 iliribdl : We took that in Dec. going to DUS and Jan returning. (about 3 or 4 years ago)
39 EddieDude : According to Great Circle Mapper, ATL-BSB is 4,170 mi CVG-AMS is 4,142 mi CUN-EZE is 4,269 mi, and KEF-SFB is 3,511 mi.
40 Post contains images fxramper : Does anyone have enough time to list AA, CO, DL, UA, and US longest (scheduled) 757 route?
41 crj200faguy : Wow, you indy folks sure get defensive about your city. It's status as a focus city was greatly diminished with the merger. GRR has a lot of FFs. Does
42 kurbitur : sorry, I ment Orlando Sanford... just still used to MCO
43 Indy : Because the customers want nonstop service. It is a huge time saver and time is money. Because the DL service was a bit random for PIT. They don't ha
44 Viscount724 : Doesn't MIDT data only cover travel agent bookings through Amadeus? It must be significantly understated by excluding the other major GDSs, as well a
45 Post contains links LAXintl : MIDT is GDS data, however now the info is also combined with BSP ( Billing Settlement Plan) info which adds in further color for international segmen
46 Viscount724 : The IATA data still doesn't include airlines' own sales. That's just an estimate.
47 Post contains links LAXintl : Depends on the airline -- LCC vs GDS user, but with BSP included it help capture the segment thanks to the financial transaction. Anyhow for internat
48 catiii : Thanks scoop, every city wants nonstop service to Europe. Why would DL want to fly it? As the poster below said: They were raiding a former hub. And
49 TOMMY767 : Well UA's is easy since they don't fly TATL. It's probably BOS-SFO.
50 Flighty : I think a big issue is irregular days, storms and lane / divert closings. While mr. pilot is no doubt correct that 98% of the days it's absolutely fi
51 Post contains images PITrules : And PIT's PDEW to Europe and beyond is 407 last report I saw. If IND is about 200 I don't see it working. As its capturing only 25% of the local tran
52 Indy : It isn't thin contrary to what another posted stated. If you wish to take the time yourself as I did and contact the Commerce Department you can get
53 Transpac787 : At 2704mi, UA actually has several routes longer than BOS-SFO. The longest overland route is ORD-ANC (or is it ANC-ORD these days?). Anyhow, that rou
54 TOMMY767 : I totally forgot about DEN-LIH with UA. How are the loads on that flight? That has to be like 6.5 hours easily from DEN going westbound. I also space
55 TWA902fly : It looks like DEN-LIH is scheduled for 7 hours 23 minutes (closer to 7 hours in the air i assume) LIH-DEN is 6 hours 43 minutes. If i remember correc
56 Post contains links TWA902fly : Here's a timetable from AA/TW after the takeover TW16 dep HNL 8:00pm arr STL 8:56am+1 TW15 shows as a one stop but i cant figure out where for STL-HN
57 catiii : Ok, so you post your numbers and let's see.
58 alexinwa : The 757 continues to outdo itself. Amazing A/C it is.
59 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Yakutia Airlines of Russia fly a longer non stop route than Delta's service to Brasilia. VKO-PKC; 4,228 miles with an outbound block time of 8 hours a
60 Post contains links and images catiii : Wow. The airplane in question: View Large View MediumPhoto © Diego Ruiz de Vargas - Iberian Spotters
61 Post contains links 330lover : Info like this could be posted here as well: Longest N/S Route Per Aircraft Type (A Vs B) (by 330lover Jul 26 2010 in Aviation Polls) I'll include it
62 caleb1 : Can an A321 match this type of performance?
63 MAS777 : Longest nonstop perhaps but Royal Brunei operated its 757s to Europe for a while although with stops usually at Dubai, IIRC.
64 BlueF9A320 : If you ask any any Airbusphile it doesn't need to, because it can already do 90% of the 757's missions, is much more fuel efficient and has the newes
65 catiii : Not to get into an A v B thing here, but isn't it a repackaged 320?
66 Post contains links and images PITrules : While it included two stops, Canada3000's YVR-HNL-NAN-SYD flights must have been one of the longest 757 services with regard to overall distance View
67 Post contains images deltal1011man : Is there anything an airbus can't do? but really, no...it can't. The 757 is what the 321 wishes it could be when it grows up.
68 jetblast : But your profile says you are a flight attendant? Why would you have this information? I suppose I could tell you I am the Prince of Luxembourg, whil
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