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UA Express To Start ORD-Gulf/South Routes?  
User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

As part of the UA/CO integration, I've heard (from a reliable source, but we shall see), that ORD-SHV,BTR,JAN,MOB,TLH, ECP, MAF, AMA, LBB will happen. Seems reasonable since there is CMI to DFW and possibly PIA to IAH.

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

It's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Some of these routes would be pretty long and thin. Certainly, CO brings something to the table, but I don't think CO's presence alone makes all these routes to ORD viable.

Though of note, PNS-ORD (currently flown on weekends by UA and AA) will go daily on UA in November.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

this kinda runs along the thread i started yesterday about connecting the hub dots to the stations. Some of these markets seem kinda thin ex-ORD but we shall see. Personally I would love to see UA start CID-IAH.

User currently offlineGlobalCabotage From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

I see CID-IAH and ORD-MFE, maybe long, but routes that could be filled.

User currently offlinedsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
As part of the UA/CO integration, I've heard (from a reliable source, but we shall see), that ORD-SHV,BTR,JAN,MOB,TLH, ECP, MAF, AMA, LBB will happen. Seems reasonable since there is CMI to DFW and possibly PIA to IAH.

Overlooking a Gulf area airport in there, aren't we?



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User currently offlineShadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

I can personally see ORD flights returning to FLL. With CO already having a station there, I don't see why a flight or two to the CO/UA ORD hub would not be added in time.

User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

I hope this is true. I wouldn't mind if DEN connected some of those as well.

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 6):
I wouldn't mind if DEN connected some of those as well.

Yeah I would like to see UA Ex start DEN-LBB so I can easily get down to Lubbock to watch my Red Raiders! They just started service from Denver to Midland so LBB probably won't happen, though.


User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Yes, will be an interesting time.

If some of United's product offerings (such as E+) get mixed in with Continental's corporate culture, it should really separate the wheat from the chaffe in the US domestic market.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

I can see "maybe" a weekend service to GPT and/or ECP...but MOB...very doubtful. PNS covers the MOB area fairly well and already has nonstop service to Chicago. BTR-ORD has been tried before by AA...I doubt UA/CO would give it a shot. BTR has proven time and again that it can only support service to the big Southern hubs and that's it. SHV...possibly...JAN...I have my doubts.


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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5241 times:

I honestly think SHV/JAN/BTR to DEN would be better, but that's just me. I'm sure scope clause and possible loads will play a major role. I would think a CR7 would be far better than trying to use a CR2 or ERJ on those ORD to Gulf States POSSIBLE routes.

We'll see. I'm sure the speculation will get hot and heavy as time goes on as to what happens where. I do think that the combined airline will carefully weigh the options.

As I'm in SHV, my only hope is that with ExpressJet having a maintenance base here, it might behoove the new combined airline to link up cities for aircraft rotations....but even the E145's have only so many years left in them.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 10):
I honestly think SHV/JAN/BTR to DEN would be better, but that's just me

I can see SHV-DEN...I think it'd work. BTR-DEN was tried by F9 and did poorly so I'm not sure we'll see that route again. Wasn't JAN-DEN served by UA at one time? I think it was one or two daily CRJ's, IIRC.



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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I can see SHV-DEN...I think it'd work. BTR-DEN was tried by F9 and did poorly so I'm not sure we'll see that route again. Wasn't JAN-DEN served by UA at one time? I think it was one or two daily CRJ's, IIRC.

I believe it was ERJ's from JAN. BTR - DEN would have the much larger Continental FF base...not sure there would be any benefit, though from the new United's perspective. Just continue sending them to IAH, but from a flyer's perspective, the one stop versus two stop would be more efficient.

SHV-DEN would definitely work ... it just needs to be tried. Too few choices here. Plenty of connections in oil and gas industry along with VFR traffic to Colorado and Mountain West.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting sldispatcher (Reply 6):
I hope this is true. I wouldn't mind if DEN connected some of those as well.

Depending upon how MAF is performing, CO stations like AMA and LBB that are served by only one eastbound spoke would seem to be a natural fit with DEN.

The same is true for ORD with a few other IAH stations such as JAN and BTR that are connected by a single westbound spoke to the system.

How many different times has UA done JAN-ORD, though? At least twice before? I know they had mainline back during the days when UA claimed to be the first airline to serve all 50 states.

[Edited 2010-08-02 08:07:41]

[Edited 2010-08-02 08:08:57]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting GlobalCabotage (Thread starter):
As part of the UA/CO integration, I've heard (from a reliable source, but we shall see), that ORD-SHV,BTR,JAN,MOB,TLH, ECP, MAF, AMA, LBB will happen. Seems reasonable since there is CMI to DFW and possibly PIA to IAH.

AA tried ORD-SHV. It did exceptionally poorly. I dont think UA would do any better on that one.

ORD-TLH/ECP/MAF/LBB/AMA will not work either. Too thin.

Of the above, only ORD-MOB/JAN/BTR stand any chance.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Of the above, only ORD-MOB/JAN/BTR stand any chance.

MOB and BTR...chances are slim and none and slim just left the building. I can def see JAN above those two.



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User currently offlinesldispatcher From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
AA tried ORD-SHV. It did exceptionally poorly.

It did? I thought the fuel prices ran it off. SHV is one of the larger non-hub Eagle stations for AA.

I do think that SHV - DEN would be better than ORD-SHV out of gas/oil industry O&D traffic.

I think IAD - SHV is just too far, but would definitely appeal to quite a bit of eastbound connectors to the North east.

At any rate, I think interesting times are ahead...I give this whole rumor about 18.3% chance of being true. Subsidies, however, can make everyone look like prophetic fools.


User currently offlineBHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Is UA completely out of FLL now? I am at the airport and swear I never saw anything that said United on it... Am I missing something?

User currently offlinetlhgator From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
ORD-TLH/ECP/MAF/LBB/AMA will not work either. Too thin.

If UA were to try TLH and seeing how AA has been performing fairly well in the TLH market, could we see a war of the ORD even though it is a thin route?
Technically UA would be a new entrant to the market, the only CO representation is through 3M right now...


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

A bit far off from the Gulf yet sort of south, but can SAF-DEN (especially) and/or SAF-ORD/IAH be profitable for the new UA/CO? AA seems to be adding there, something must be working.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Quoting tlhgator (Reply 18):

If UA were to try TLH and seeing how AA has been performing fairly well in the TLH market, could we see a war of the ORD even though it is a thin route?

AA doesnt fly ORD-TLH, they fly MIA/DFW-TLH. They do well in MIA-TLH. DFW-TLH is still developing, but not as fast as routes like DFW-MHK/SAF/FSD have. Nonetheless, its doing ok.

I dont think there is room for one carrier (much less two) in ORD-TLH.



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User currently offlineytib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting BHMDiversion (Reply 17):
Is UA completely out of FLL now? I am at the airport and swear I never saw anything that said United on it... Am I missing something?

Yes, they only serve MIA is that area. FLL/PBI were pulled in I believe Sept 2008.


User currently offlinetlhgator From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 20):
AA doesnt fly ORD-TLH, they fly MIA/DFW-TLH. They do well in MIA-TLH. DFW-TLH is still developing, but not as fast as routes like DFW-MHK/SAF/FSD have. Nonetheless, its doing ok.

I'm well aware they don't fly that market, I guess what i should have said was do you think AA would jump in and try the market prior to UA starting it, it's unfortunate the DFW market from TLH didn't develop as fast


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

I think MAF would be a bit thin, maybe an RJ. The combined CO/UA at MAF will now serve DEN and IAH and good combo for west/east and the oil & gas market. I am not sure what ORD adds.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting tlhgator (Reply 22):

I'm well aware they don't fly that market, I guess what i should have said was do you think AA would jump in and try the market prior to UA starting it, it's unfortunate the DFW market from TLH didn't develop as fast

DFW-TLH is here to stay, it just has some growing to do.

Would AA jump on ORD-TLH before UA? Probably. Thats if either of them do decide to do it.



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25 Cubsrule : Today, that's true - AA has a station there and UA does not. But once UA has a station there, I don't know that one is any more likely than the other
26 Post contains links GlobalCabotage : http://www.faremeasure.com/View-Airp...-O_Hare_International_Airport.html For the Gulf area and a couple other cities ORD-MFE: 67 daily passengers ORD
27 FlyPNS1 : But consider that PNS which has 177 passengers still hasn't achieved daily status until November. So most of these markets which are much smaller are
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