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AS Announces BLI-HNL  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6479 posts, RR: 24
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12524 times:

Quite the pre-emptive strike at G4, but I guess you have to protect your territory.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...es-prnews-1723950983.html?x=0&.v=1

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User currently offlineAKviator From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12488 times:

Bellingham is quite the college town. Could do very well during spring break.

User currently offlineFlying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Great move on the part of AS, start building the market before G4 even gets approval.

User currently offlinedxer1974 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12325 times:

Quoting AKviator (Reply 1):
Bellingham is quite the college town. Could do very well during spring break

Not really, This service will attract the folks from north of the border much more than students at Western Washington University. Definately a "checkmate" move on the part of AS vs G4 at least in BLI. I know that G4's second 757 is at ATS
@KPAE getting winglets and some cabin mods. Anyone know how long it will be before G4 jumps through all of the hoops and is able to begin services West Coast-Hawaii? Also would the runway at BLI need to be lengthened from its current 7000 feet to allow a 757 to carry a full load to HNL?



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6577 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12229 times:

Quoting dxer1974 (Reply 3):
Also would the runway at BLI need to be lengthened from its current 7000 feet to allow a 757 to carry a full load to HNL?

It shouldn't be any more of a problem for a 757 than it is for a 73G/738.

Quoting dxer1974 (Reply 3):
This service will attract the folks from north of the border much more than students at Western Washington University.

True. Not having to pay all the international departure/arrival taxes (as well as airport fees) should make the all-in price about $50-75 cheaper than it would be from YVR. Parking is probably less expensive at BLI, too.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12156 times:

Very smart by AS. Is this the first time G4 has been headed off?

User currently offlinebiggsfo From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12096 times:

I wonder where they will send that 737 during the day in BLI. Surely they aren't going to keep it parked from 6:05AM to 5:20PM....

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12073 times:
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Thread starter):
Quite the pre-emptive strike at G4, but I guess you have to protect your territory.

Interesting move...yeah...it's quite the pre-emptive strike against G4. Although, I wouldn't doubt that G4 would enter the BLI-HNL market anyway with their 757's. All of sudden, BLI is a booming place for air service...who would've thought. Does BLI have enough ramp space to handle all of these airplanes?

Back in 1980's and 1990's, having PS MD-80's was a very big deal.


User currently offlinedxer1974 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11962 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 7):
Back in 1980's and 1990's, having PS MD-80's was a very big deal.

Where did PSA run the mad dogs to from BLI back then?



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11947 times:

However, G4 has already won loyal locals of BLI. I think AS might find it difficult to win this one.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11922 times:

Quoting AKviator (Reply 1):
Bellingham is quite the college town. Could do very well during spring break.

The northern suburbs of Seattle are quite well off, and many times (read: rush hour!) it's easier to head north to BLI than south to SEA. That combined with the Canadian traffic makes this a smart move in my book!


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11923 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 9):
However, G4 has already won loyal locals of BLI. I think AS might find it difficult to win this one.

I wouldn't underestimate the power of the Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan here....... AS has an incredibly loyal fan-base (as they should they're an excellent airline).... I think AS will hold it's own.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11879 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 11):
I think AS will hold it's own.

Agreed. Plus they'll be using an airplane that is probably the right size for the market, at least initially.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11869 times:
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Quoting dxer1974 (Reply 8):
Where did PSA run the mad dogs to from BLI back then?

I believe they only flew BLI-SEA, but continued on to SFO and LAX.

I'm still wondering if AS will enter the BLI-LAX market.


User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11845 times:

Quoting biggsfo (Reply 6):
I wonder where they will send that 737 during the day in BLI. Surely they aren't going to keep it parked from 6:05AM to 5:20PM....

They fly BLI-LAS right now don't they? Maybe they are going to do it SEA-LAS-BLI-HNL-BLI-LAS-SEA? Or do a change of aircraft in HNL also. I'm sure that's how they are going to get the airplane into their system.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11845 times:
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Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 2):
Great move on the part of AS, start building the market before G4 even gets approval.

But G4 has a list of 10 possible airports for their service. Bellingham was only one of the 10.

I doubt if G4 will offer parallel service and duke it out with AS -- that's not their style. And I read that airports as diverse as EUG and MRY are bidding for G4's HNL service.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 14):

They fly BLI-LAS right now don't they?

Yes, BLI-LAS is a daily 737, I believe.


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 10):
The northern suburbs of Seattle are quite well off, and many times (read: rush hour!) it's easier to head north to BLI than south to SEA


I think that Marysville would be about the 50/50 point (just over an hour to BLI)

I live in Stanwood and almost always fly out of SEA (or YVR), but that is only because I would usually end up flying back through SEA from BLI for a connecting flight anyway. That said, I would consider a long stopover in LAS fun if the schedule ever fit mine.

PAE is much closer to the northern 'burbs of Seattle than BLI, but the same people that would fly out of there are stuck in NIMBY mode.


User currently offlinefalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11633 times:

Breaking out the popcorn, this could get interesting. Not convinced AS is in it for the long-haul though.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 17):

PAE is much closer to the northern 'burbs of Seattle than BLI

Absolutely, but BLI is already set up as a commercial airport with reasonable facilities. While PAE would be nice, it just doesn't make sense in the way that BLI does. BLI catching the Canadian traffic just helps too.

Personally, if I were in the Everett/Mukilteo/Marysville area and had the choice of driving down to SEA (during rush hour especially, but even when not) or up to BLI, I would choose BLI if prices were similar. No hesitation on that.


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11566 times:
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 9):
However, G4 has already won loyal locals of BLI. I think AS might find it difficult to win this one.

Not so. The single BLI-LAS flight has been hitting 90% LFs.

Quoting biggsfo (Reply 6):
I wonder where they will send that 737 during the day in BLI. Surely they aren't going to keep it parked from 6:05AM to 5:20PM....
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 14):
They fly BLI-LAS right now don't they? Maybe they are going to do it SEA-LAS-BLI-HNL-BLI-LAS-SEA? Or do a change of aircraft in HNL also. I'm sure that's how they are going to get the airplane into their system.

Something along those lines.

Quoting falcon flyer (Reply 18):
Breaking out the popcorn, this could get interesting. Not convinced AS is in it for the long-haul though.

I most definitely think this is in for the longhaul.


User currently offlinedxer1974 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 17):
PAE is much closer to the northern 'burbs of Seattle than BLI, but the same people that would fly out of there are stuck in NIMBY mode.

Ain't that the truth considering that PAE is the home to Boeing 747-8, 777, and 787 production and the accompanying test and delivery flights from there and the ATS (formerly Goodrich) MRO to boot. What would be the big deal with a couple of extra scheduled flight services out of there? The MD-80 isn't that lound and the Q400 is very quiet. I live just to the SW of KSEA's third runway 16R/34L and it does not bother me at all. May these NIMBY namby-pambies near KPAE always get stuck in traffic down trying to get to KSEA. Serves em right!



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15462 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11425 times:

Quoting Flying_727 (Reply 2):
Great move on the part of AS, start building the market before G4 even gets approval

It will be interesting to see how this works out, but I think that this may be the best way to fight Allegiant. But I don't believe for a second that this will make Allegiant reconsider the route.

There is a bit of a precedent though. G4 started and then cut PIA-SFB because they weren't doing well enough against AirTran's BMI-MCO flights.

Quoting dxer1974 (Reply 21):
The MD-80 isn't that lound

What MD-80s are you listening to? The Mad Dogs are just about the loudest modern airliners out there, and I've seen one set off a car alarm from about a quarter mile away.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11278 times:
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Quoting hatbutton (Reply 20):
Not so. The single BLI-LAS flight has been hitting 90% LFs.

Isn't this flight only operating 3X or 4X per week right now? I guess with the onset of the BLI-HNL flight, the BLI-LAS flight will become daily.

Good luck to AS on the new service. Hmmm...I wonder if BLI-OGG will follow.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11105 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 17):
I think that Marysville would be about the 50/50 point (just over an hour to BLI)
Tod,

As you say, I think it will really come down to whatever happens at PAE. If AS and G4 get approval to fly from PAE, I can easily see a HNL flight added to the current proposed mix of GEG, PDX and LAS. If that happens, I think anyone in SnoCo will go there. If it doesn't, and Seattle traffic continues to congest the way it has, I'd even say North Everett residents might prefer the drive up to BLI, than the fight down to SEA. Add in cheaper parking, less delays and quicker security, and it's a very good sell. . .

As a fellow Stilly Valley resident, I know which way I would drive. . .

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23):
Hmmm...I wonder if BLI-OGG will follow.

Possible, but I also think this is what G4 might do. Instead of a direct competition with AS BLI-HNL, they might try BLI-OGG (or other). In fact, in any of G4's releases about the 757 and Hawaii, have they ever mentioned HNL at all? Serious question - because I don't know. . .


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25 pink77W : could G4 go BLI-FLL with their newly painted 757s along with Hawaii flights
26 BMI727 : On a permanent basis, I doubt it. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 757s spend some time on the mainland network for certification and tr
27 hiloboy1 : G4 is already advertising for Mechs. in HNL so it may be a safe bet that that's where they will fly first.
28 mtnwest1979 : It is correct, only BLI-SEA. Same as AS did the first time they flew big jets into BLI. When USAir left BLI and AS pulled out, I never envisioned mai
29 hatbutton : Yes in all their investor presentations they have actually said pretty directly they are only going to serve HNL. They are apparently already hiring
30 alexinwa : QX couldn't make BLI-PDX work. This will be a blood-bath when G4 comes into the market. I'll take G4 for a thousand Alec.
31 A380fo : Talked to a G4 flight attendant today. The facts being said below are not official or stated anywhere in the press or what not, but this FA being pret
32 SANFan : I realize I'm late to this party but WOW!; nice move AS! I did not see this coming either. The question arises (as always with AS and their tight flee
33 Kcrwflyer : I hope they limit it to that.
34 kgaiflyer : Of course -- LGB. Spillover from jetBlue. North Orange County with the Eastern Empire right down the Riverside Freeway. Also Southwest LA County and
35 ScarletHarlot : I live in Maltby and have flown out of BLI to LAS. It is a 45 minute drive to SEA for me and 90 minutes to BLI. BLI is more convenient for Canadians
36 Post contains images SANFan : HOLD ON a minute folks! To those of you making your future vacation plans based on the info provided in reply 31, please note the source... Thank you
37 A380fo : Yes, yes, I understand what you are saying. And yes I did make sure to note this isn't all FOR SURE. But this is probably the 4th or 5th time I have
38 GARUDAROD : The kind of jives with what I heard from a G4 Pilot, but not in the same order. The B757s will do LAS first then LGB. I also heard about the intentio
39 hiloboy1 : Just to stir the pot more; Maybe they're hooking up with Mesa to take over the Go! operations in Hawaii since JO screwed it up even more by going to t
40 nutsaboutplanes : Having worked for AS for years in a management role, I will tell you that AS is scared to death of G4. The cost structure at G4 creates the liklihood
41 thefuture : Hang on ... Isn't runway at BLI a bit short to operate a BLI/HNL service that's not weight restricted ? How long is the runway now ?
42 wedgetail737 : Unless G4 uses mostly 757's in and out of Alaska, namely ANC, I don't think you'll see much. The MD-80's can't fly much further beyond SFO, LAX or LA
43 Post contains links coopdogyo : The reason Alaska is betting that G4 will add 757 service from Hawaii is because BLI is more than tripleing the size of its terminal and extending it
44 Viscount724 : It's 6,701 ft, 1,000 ft. longer than SNA which has nonstop CO 737-700 service to HNL. BLI-HNL is only 115nm further than SNA-HNL.[Edited 2010-08-02 1
45 Post contains links thefuture : Here's an idea out of left field ... there's serious talk of an air bridge to Tijiana airport, so San Diego residents can have good air service witho
46 baw716 : Ah...there's the rub. This is why AS can operate a BLI-HNL service and get away with it. The fares north of the border are quite high compared to dow
47 thefuture : Of course AC will suffer. Why wouldn't they ? Think it's now time that all Canadian/USA flights should be considered domestic & get rid of the in
48 Post contains images mtnwest1979 : OK, I can then dismiss the whole thing. One thing I have learned over the last 14+ years around them, is that flight crews have the most inaccurate a
49 Viscount724 : Many AC (and WestJet) passengers on YVR-HNL flights are connecting from the rest of their domestic network. Those passengers won't be affected by BLI
50 point2point : Okay, they couldn't make PDX work, but is there some possibility for AS to start some flights from BLI to SFO, LAX, PHX, DEN, DFW, ORD, and some of t
51 mtnwest1979 : I really don't see them deploying MD-80s on intra-HI flying. Too me, that seems like a lot of capacity for the ,what, 4 routes tou would want to try.
52 BMI727 : Presumably that would be low utilization flying as well, timed especially to connect to the flights to and from the mainland. But that said, I agree
53 GlobalCabotage : Could this lead to BLI-DEN/DFW/IAH/MSP/ORD/DTW (not on AS, but others?) Interesting.
54 flywithken : QX never intended to make this flight stick permanently. It was only for the summer since they had an extra few hours of aircraft to utilize. Ken
55 PlanesNTrains : The probelm with G4 and Alaska is that they only (so far) operate point-to-point routes. Would ANC-BLI really be a big enough draw? ANC-PDX? When oth
56 Post contains images EA CO AS : Having worked (and still currently working) for AS for years in a management role as well, I have just one thing to say: AS and G4 serve completely d
57 Post contains links and images HNLPointShoot : There are some photos in the DB of HA MD-80s, but it appears they didn't work out since HA went back to the smaller DC-9-50. View Large View MediumPh
58 Post contains links yvphx : Well I heard a rumor that BLI was undergoing a runway expansion to accommodate the Allegiant 757's. I can't find out how much more runway they are add
59 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Uummm. Sorry. I *meant* inland empire.
60 Viscount724 : HA took delivery of 6 new MD-81s in 1981. They were too big and costly for HA's inter-island markets. They were all disposed of by 1986 and a few wer
61 wedgetail737 : I believe all of the HA MD-80's ended up with PSA. I remember seeing the HA/PS hybrid paint jobs at OAK. YVR and its surrounding communities and thro
62 F9Animal : G4 to Alaska? Wow, that would be very interesting. G4 would also do great in cargo on top of it.
63 ScarletHarlot : That won't happen. The US believes that Canada's borders are too porous and that baddies will enter Canada and then slip into the US from there. Secu
64 thefuture : Porous borders ? Have a look at Mexico border !!! Never be able to stop anyone getting across the borders if they want to. Anyone who thinks they can
65 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : FWIW, last summer we were camping up near Bellingham at Birch Bay. We drove in to Blaine and walked around Peace Arch park. I guess we weren't paying
66 HAL : If they do, they're in for a nasty shock. As people have mentioned above, we (HA) used the MD-80's for a while in the mid-80's for interisland flight
67 thefuture : So why don't poor Mexicans fly to YVR & walk across the border ? Surely, it would be cheaper.
68 nutsaboutplanes : What you are overlooking is the fact that these flights would be purely vacation and leisure traffic, frequency is not as important and wouldnt even
69 alexinwa : Not doubting you Ken, but if the flight doesn't make money, why fly it? Isn't it cheaper to keep the plane on the ground getting some fresh air? I al
70 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : You'd have to argue this one with the US government. I think Canada is less worried about Americans wandering over the border than the States is abou
71 bjorn14 : A lot of Mexicans are paying 'mucho dinero' to smugglers to get them into the US and the price is a lot more than a plane ticket.
72 bjorn14 : Depending on AS freq. and price I don't see G4 starting BLI-Hawaii. They run at the slightest hint of direct and/or indirect competition. As Maurice h
73 Post contains images HALFA : I don't think any carrier is keen to having new competition enter their established markets but I thought you were ok with it a few months ago, as G4
74 pink77W : could G4 have 100 757s ten years from now ? I'm just saying
75 EA CO AS : It would be purely vacation and leisure traffic that's packaged with bulk rate air for RCCL, Holland America, Princess, etc. All of those cruise line
76 StudeDave : That is not a 'rumor' at all!!! (sorta kinda...) While the runway (and taxiways) are being 'upgraded' to handle 757s, they are NOT I repeat NOT exten
77 thefuture : So surely YXX would be a better option than BLI as YXX 's runway is something like 2900 ft longer. Build an air bridge (ie fence for km or 2 from US
78 Condorito : AS should have announced BLI-HNL (but sometimes BLI-PDX-HNL) service. Still not the right equipment for the route.
79 baw716 : If AS operates BLI-HNL, they will do it probably with a 737-700. Only about 120 seats. AC operates a 200+ seat 767-300 ex YVR to HNL, 4x per week, wh
80 Post contains links Condorito : Read the following: http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...s/asstories/AS_20100802_082326.asp The 700 might let them go non-stop, but none are ETOPS
81 HAL : I was just about to mention the fact that the -700's are non-ETOPS. And the majority of the wintertime diversions last year went down to OAK for refu
82 robsaw : And by extension, not the right equipment for almost any mainland-Hawaii route that AS could fly. But when you have a choice limited to a couple pote
83 HAL : There is the other option of just not flying to Hawaii in the first place if the only thing you have are 737's. Yes, I know, it can be done, and AS i
84 Post contains images EA CO AS : Someone's turning into an AS-to-Hawaii thread stalker... Once again, the 73H does just fine. This past winter's headwinds were pointed right at SEA,
85 wedgetail737 : What you don't understand is that TIJ is directly across the border from the San Diego area, literally. I foot bridge would be possible there. Provid
86 BoeEngr : I've flown Many times between Seattle and Hawaii. I used to always fly Hawaiian. They are a great airline. A few years ago we switched to taking Alask
87 Condorito : 38 flights during a relatively short period of time doesn't sound small to me. Sad that the inconvenience to the passengers is overlooked.
88 PlanesNTrains : Considering the unique nature of the problem. Considering that many people stop en route to Hawaii on other carriers. Considering that many people pr
89 dxer1974 : Very true, HA takes advantage of this weakness with AS 738 Seattle-Hawaii ops with their marketing here in the Seattle area with the "widebody comfor
90 Viscount724 : How does WestJet do it from YVR? The winter is by far the peak period for their YVR-Hawaii routes.
91 wedgetail737 : Got to have those naysayers. It all boils down to this. If AS thinks their Hawaii service from any point is successful financially and operationally,
92 Post contains images nutsaboutplanes : The winds to Hawaii were exceptionally bad this year and for the most part, the 738 did a good job as Alaska better understood the performance of the
93 Airport : This is just an idea off the top of my head, but what if they did $50-75 E-certificate + free meals (what would be BOB) on the flight? I really reall
94 icebird757 : Being that I work at LGB let me add something here. 1. I have heard the order of west coast - hawaii markets are as follows: BLI, LGB, EUG, LAS, AZA.
95 hatbutton : Funny story, AS asked Boeing to evaluate whether or not it would be financially prudent to order 757s. Boeing did an extensive study and even though
96 pink77W : hatbutton, what about B739ER? Would that plane be alot better than a 738?
97 Condorito : Compare the diversion statistics to HA's and it's clear that AS really doesn't have the right equipment for the route. Yes, MOST of the year the main
98 BMI727 : I don't think that anyone ever disputed that. But the fact that AS continues to add service and the services they've had seem pretty successful would
99 wedgetail737 : I guess you should make the generality that AS, CO and WS made bad and incompetent decision to go with 737's to Hawaii.
100 hatbutton : It has been brought up by employees a lot and the consistent response from upper management is no we don't plan on anything other than the -800 right
101 Condorito : I don't know anything about CO and WS diversions. I do know that 5 of my family members got to do the PDX shuffle this past winter and will be flying
102 Post contains images nutsaboutplanes : Okay, lets look at it this way: AS is doing what they need to do to consistently generate 10% ROIC...in this case, that means not adding a second air
103 Airport : Fact 1: Alaska, overall, is making money in Hawaii Fact 2: Alaska would not make enough money flying larger aircraft to warrant the subfleet, trainin
104 nutsaboutplanes : This was considered but in an effort to keep costs down and run the service as efficiently as possible, aircraft were catered in SEA for the roundtri
105 HAL : I wasn't talking about the physical discomfort of a passenger on the AS planes - I've flown on them enough to know they're very comfortable. I was ta
106 PlanesNTrains : Perhaps more accurately, AS doesn't have the "ideal" equipment for the route. The fact that the aircraft makes it the vast majority of the time tells
107 nutsaboutplanes : AS is working with Boeing and the FAA for a workaround on the APU rule and they will ultimately be successful. This will give them roughly 1500 lbs.
108 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : Translation: "I don't care to learn anything about CO and WS diversions, as my axe to grind isn't with them." Translation: "Since my family was incon
109 pink77W : hatbutton thx. now if only we can get a pic of G4 757
110 BoeEngr : Just because you fly Hawaiian, it doesn't mean you'll get there on time. Just because you fly Alaska, it doesn't mean you won't. Last time I took Hawa
111 Post contains links and images hatbutton : http://www.airlinereporter.com/2010/...giant-air-boeing-757-new-winglets/ That's the most they've revealed so far. Just a winglet
112 bayareablue : Probably won't happen as some of the aircraft do no have the provisions for ETOPS and to get just those provisions would be a lot of time to do and a
113 Condorito : This is incorrect. "Wherever and whenever"? It's not like I stand in line at the grocery store and tell everyone. However, if I see a thread champion
114 hatbutton : Yes IIRC I have heard our earliest -800s are not convertible. I should have clarified. Thanks bayareablue.
115 EA CO AS : Confirming my point that you're just a thread stalker with an axe to grind. I'm sorry your family was inconvenienced by that irregular flight diversi
116 nutsaboutplanes : I don't get this. Commercial aviation is one of the very few businesses these days where the bulk of the leadership comes from the rank in file work-
117 Condorito : I'm not sure what you're talking about. I am not saying anything against management (aside from the decision to run 73Hs on the Hawaii runs). I am me
118 Post contains images EA CO AS : Nowhere here have I said I speak on behalf of Alaska Airlines or Alaska Air Group, as that's not my place. Indicating what I do for a living is simpl
119 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : This sounds like a "mission" to me. Anyhow, I think you're certainly welcome by anyone to disagree with the equipment they fly, but at the same time
120 wedgetail737 : Don't forget your customers, Dude! You can most certainly tell who have the ins and outs on AS here. Some of them can also be the most assertive ones
121 Post contains images EA CO AS : My co-workers and I succeed ONLY if we take excellent care of our customers!
122 Post contains images kgaiflyer : As it turns out, there *is* such a picture over on Aviation-Designs.net But it was apparently done well before Allegiant decided on winglets.
123 hnl-jack : Looks like this was a Photoshop rendered pic. Seeing the winglets photo, it would appear that the aircraft will have a new scheme with an all blue to
124 Post contains images kgaiflyer : More likely that the plane is still in the livery of the former owner (Thomsonfly) . Notice the similarity.
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