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WN Announces New/resuming Service For November  
User currently onlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10087 times:

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/new-service-in-november

1 NEW Daily PHX-FLL
2 NEW Daily AUS-SJC
1 Return of STL-SEA
1 Return of BWI-LAX

Alex


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User currently offlinemrstl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
1 Return of STL-SEA

That didnt take long to bring back. Between this flight and the new AS flight with DL codeshare we will be back to a normal frequency level on STL-SEA, in fact we will be better served as AA used to go down to 1x757 during the winter.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6560 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

Can AUS-SJC support two WN flights and two AS flights?

User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
Can AUS-SJC support two WN flights and two AS flights?

It's not about whether a route can support X number of carriers its about beating your competition. WN feels that AS poached on its territory and wants to be king of the Nerd Birds.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9556 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
1 Return of STL-SEA

Now that looks like retaliation to the start up of Alaska's route to STL from SEA.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
WN feels that AS poached on its territory and wants to be king of the Nerd Birds.

It was never WN's territory to begin with, IIRC. I believve that was AA's territory that they (AA) gave up.

On a side note, a little off topic, but can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
1 Return of STL-SEA

They weren't quick enough to keep Alaska out though. I don't know if the market is big enough for two during the winter.



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User currently offlineAmatiel From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9485 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
On a side note, a little off topic, but can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?

I believe it is because of all the tech companies in Silicone Valley and Austin.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6560 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9486 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
It was never WN's territory to begin with, IIRC. I believve that was AA's territory that they (AA) gave up.

AA flew it for many years. When AA left the market, AS began service shortly thereafter.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
On a side note, a little off topic, but can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?

It's frequented by people working in the technology industry...computer companies, etc.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25151 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9419 times:

I'm sure SWA can do very well on SJC-AUS, a natural link connecting two airports where they are the #1 carrier at.


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User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9395 times:

anyone got a link to the usual chart of flight changes per city?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

Quoting seven3seven (Reply 9):
anyone got a link to the usual chart of flight changes per city?

Enirila should have that up sometime soon, that is if he is still around? I have not seen his frequent OAG Changes thread lately......



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1937 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
1 Return of BWI-LAX

No surprise. This flight has always been absolutely full of paxs, bags, and freight.



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User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

That is good. I am glad to see that WN will be resuming more service to LAX. This is good for WN because despite some criticism, they can still operate very well, with low costs. Spirit wants to charge for carry-on bags because they are cheap, then I say talk to WN they seem to be able to have cheap flights with no charges for the first two checked bags, carry ons, and food. Good job WN! I wonder if they are going to need more gates?

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User currently offlineMLD9S From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

I'm sure SWA can do very well on SJC-AUS, a natural link connecting two airports where they are the #1 carrier at.

It will also provide the fastest way between Dallas Love and San Jose. Every other routing between the two cities currently requires a minimum of 2 stops.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8980 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
Can AUS-SJC support two WN flights and two AS flights?

I get in on the purple plane the same time the AS 737 leaves AUS and a couple weeks ago some big dogs from AS where chatting it up with airport managers. I like AS chances of survival in Austin market.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2099 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
On a side note, a little off topic, but can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?

Ever fly this route?  

One of the many current technology linkups is Apple. They have a big facility in Austin, and the mothership is in Cupertino. Google also has a big facility in Austin, along with the HQ in Mountain View. Same with Cisco. Anyway, the rank and file employees are on these routes, not on the shiny corporate jets.

Back in 2000/2001, this was a huge route for AA, back when Austin got it's nickname "Silicon Hills."

It's certainly nice to see AS and WN compete on these routes. Both are great airlines and it'll be fun to watch.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

So we have a couple of skirmishes developing between WN and AS -- 2 of these "revitalized" WN routes are reinstated after new AS service has appeared. And these are routes that WN is uncharacteristically re-starting after their fall schedules have already been announced and opened for sale!

I just wonder if WN could make another move in this head-to-head confrontation and start flying from say, SEA to So Cal, or Alaska, or who knows where...

bb


User currently offlinedwightm From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8441 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
On a side note, a little off topic, but can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?

SJC (my home) is in the heart of Silicon Valley, the capital of the world for nerds and propellor heads. Austin area is a smaller version of that, due to Dell, and because a number of Siulicon Valley based companies maintain offices in Austin, as well as several large contract manufacturers with significant ties to Silicon Valley. I know a lot of people who make the trip between SJC & AUS on a regular basis. PS: "nerds and propellor heads" are affectionate terms for electrical & mechanical engineers, two of the prime forms of employment in Silicon Valley.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6751 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Quoting Amatiel (Reply 6):
I believe it is because of all the tech companies in Silicone Valley

BUR and LAX are in Silicone Valley... SJC is in Silicon Valley...

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
can someone explain why SJC-AUS is dubbed the Nerd Bird route?

AA's BOS-AUS and BOS-SJC flights were also dubbed "Nerd Bird" routes.


User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 16):
So we have a couple of skirmishes developing between WN and AS -- 2 of these "revitalized" WN routes are reinstated after new AS service has appeared. And these are routes that WN is uncharacteristically re-starting after their fall schedules have already been announced and opened for sale!

I just wonder if WN could make another move in this head-to-head confrontation and start flying from say, SEA to So Cal, or Alaska, or who knows where...

bb



Its been a remarkable couple of years for AS, they have transformed their business operationally and financially at almost every level. I remember presentations in 2008 where WN was #1 at everything and the common theme was "we need to be able to compete with WN, they are our biggest competitor."

Alaska has become much more aggressive with their marketing and their pricing, now you hear them talking openly about defending their market share (the PDX initiative). A few years ago, WN could have cleaned their clock, but now, AS is a different animal.....lean, mean and built to fight. WN might be surprised by the new attitude that the Eskimo possesses.....AS will do well on the AUS-SJC route V. WN.

On a side note, AS really started to get its act together as a result of VX entering the SEA-SFO and SEA-LAX mrakets.....that was the best thing to ever happen to AS, it was a much needed wake-up call.

You would be hard pressed to find a more well run airline in the United States in my opinion.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6475 times:
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Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
1 Return of BWI-LAX

Hope it works. LAX Terminal 1 is such an off-putting madhouse for *either* WN or US passengers that there may be no return clients. In the meantime last time I did WN's BWI / SAN it was gangbusters -- standing room only. I'll bet BWI-SNA and BWI-SFO would sell too.


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 18):
AA's BOS-AUS and BOS-SJC flights were also dubbed "Nerd Bird" routes.

Why? I can understand SEA-AUS and SJC-AUS, but forgive my ignorance...what about BOS makes it known as a tech city?



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting Western727 (Reply 21):
what about BOS makes it known as a tech city?

Probably being the location to some large universities and the research and development they contain.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 20):
. In the meantime last time I did WN's BWI / SAN it was gangbusters -- standing room only. I'll bet BWI-SNA and BWI-SFO would sell too


Yes, SAN-BWI has operated permanently and uninterrupted since 2003 -- twice daily in fact -- and I believe military traffic makes up a healthy portion of the loads on that route, which is a WN monopoly. LAX-BWI has competition on the route, UA and FL, and SFO-BWI sees UA. Of course WN is also flying SEA-BWI this summer but apparently they (nor FL) seem to think that is a year-round route yet. But I don't see them trying SNA-BWI; slots at John Wayne are too precious.

It will be interesting to see if WN gets back in the trans-con business now (besides SAN-BWI.) OAK, LAX and SAN (and maybe on a limited basis, SJC?) were the original w/c stations seeing trans-cons to BWI and PHL. The Bay Area seems to currently be replaced by SEA and PHL has not reappeared as an e/c terminus as of yet. There are certainly lots of possibilities for markets should WN decide to expand their trans-America route map and I anxiously wait to see what might happen in that arena.

bb


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Probably being the location to some large universities and the research and development they contain.

Route 128 in Boston specifically maintains many major technology companies' operations today.

Anyway, what's interesting to me is that each of these new routes have rather long stage lengths. By contrast, it was only a few years ago where comparatively fewer transcons or longer flights existed. What economic shifts have occurred to bring these routes back?

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
25 pacificclipper : Hear hear! Personally I am tired of carriers retreating every time WN enters a market or starts competing on a route. I'm well aware of the cost adva
26 TUSdawg23 : Wow Im surprised nobody has commented on the PHX-FLL route yet. What justified this route? I grew up in AZ and most folks I know would rather beach it
27 SANFan : I don't see it being much different than the n/s from Sky Harbor to TPA or MCO. PHX is a hub for WN so you are picking up lots of connectors from the
28 bjorn14 : Pure. Dead. Brilliant. LOL As was UA's IAD-SJC
29 lv : So where are the planes coming from to do these routes? Whats getting chopped? New deliveries? Bringing some back from the desert?
30 cschleic : Both AS flights also originate and terminate in PDX, which has big Intel facilities as well. Intel is one of the largest employers in Oregon. So a ce
31 atrude777 : WN is using some fleet scheduling. Squeezing out some extra time on these planes. So it's neither of the above. With WN's quick turn around times, th
32 EricR : It is nice to see a lot of these routes back again. MHT, PVD, BUF used to be non-stop from PHX and discontinued several years ago. As SANFan stated,
33 ScottB : Harvard & MIT to start, along with many tech companies along Route 128/I-495. Several large tech companies have significant presences in Eastern
34 ssides : I doubt many Dallas-Bay Area pax will be on this route. AA flies 6x daily from DFW to SJC, and 9x daily from DFW to SFO (with one of the SFO flights
35 atrude777 : However for those flying Southwest or elite on Southwest will continue to choose WN and now appreciate a one stop option between Dallas and SJC over
36 Post contains links AirframeAS : Is PHX-MHT still the longest route that WN serves?? IIRC, there was another current thread going on that said something about WN ordering 25 more 73G
37 atrude777 : PVD-LAS is WN's longest flight at 2,363 miles MHT-PHX is 2,280 miles For those wondering WN's shortest flight is RSW-MCO at 133 miles When BOS-PHX st
38 AirframeAS : I remember when I was with WN in 2002, they said in Indoc training (The one where they showed the music video of WN employees singing "The Spirit of
39 Lawair : This summer WN had BWI-SEA (2329 mi) which would be #2. BWI-LAX is year-round now and that is 2318 mi.
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