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User currently offlineAirbusluver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

What airport do you think would be a good base for a new entrant in the US. Here are my ideas:

Portland, OR (PDX) High traffic, not dominated, and a nice airport
Austin, TX (AUS) High yielding traffic, not dominated, and also a nice airport.
San Francisco (OAK or SFO) Low fare airline to compete against United to the East Coast.

These are just a few of my thoughts. How about yours?

-airbusluver

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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Long Beach, nice niche.
Iain


User currently offlineAirbusluver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Long Beach---jetBlue soon.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6780 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Portland: Delta couldn't make it work as a hub, so they're scaling back. Significant competition from Alaska, United, and Southwest means this airport is already well-served for a city of Portland's size.

Austin: High fare levels, but only on longer-haul flights. Difficult to compete on the short-haul flights because of Southwest, and you need those to help build your long-haul traffic. Nice airport but only one open gate right now unless you can convince the City of Austin to build new gates for you.

San Francisco: Airfield capacity is a BIG problem when the weather is bad. The airport gives priority to long-haul international flights, then long-haul domestic flights, then short-haul flights. Weather-related operational problems for a new airline would be ruinous.

Oakland: Better weather conditions, but severely limited terminal capacity until the terminals are redeveloped; they already handle nearly 200 daily jet departures from approximately 20 gates. A longer-term problem is competing with WN should they ever start trans-con service at OAK.

Long Beach: Only 27 departure slots left, and jetBlue has rights to them for two years. Even without that, you're stuck once you hit 27 daily departures. Plus the terminal is more appropriate to the 1940's than the 21st century.


User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Jacksonville, FL.

It's a huge city, (biggest in the Western Hemisphere by size) and biggest single population in Florida, (bigger than that of Miami or Orlando).

Maybe it's not the Tourist destination of the more-Southern cities - thank God - but Jacksonville has huge prospects.

LONG LIVE JAXport!

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

ONT would be the best airport to start a hub on the west coast. It is only 40-50 miles East of LAX. It was just renovated, and is very modern looking. It has a lot of available slots for a new airline to use, and can accomodate a 747.

User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

ORF, SW starting service.

GSO, within 1 hour drive to CLT. Could capture some of the passengers who are paying high fares.


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 2051 times:


MSY in New Orleans!


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Have to agree on MSY. There are enough gates sitting there unused to start up a decent sized hub operation. No airline really has a domination there, Delta flies to ATL and DFW from there, Southwest flies to DAL and LAS from there, and AA, UAL, and US have small presence in MSY. AirTran flies about a half dozen flights to ATL a day from there also. Someone tried in the 80s to start an airline out of MSY but couldn't finance to profitablity. Some other airports that would be good hubs are: Mid-America Airport in IL, they only have four gates presently, but would be a good place to start an RJ based airline out of; COS, close enough from Denver to attract pax, but far enough away to keep prices low; HOU (Hobby), as attractive as DAL (Dallas-Love Field) when it comes to proximity to downtown, plus the oil industry and shipping industries in the area; XNA (Fayetteville, AR), still a smaller airport, but would be a good location for a Midwestern regional airline to have a hub; DSM, Access Air tried but failed out of here, but the is an ideal location in the middle of the country; and lastly, ABQ, great weather year round, and is far enough away from PHX to not be affected by AWA.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6780 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

MSY: The yields are terrible because (1) Southwest has 50 daily flights and (2) most traffic is for leisure and conventions. Moreover, the two main runways cross, so you run into a congestion problem trying to run a hub operation.

BLV: (Mid-America) Too far from the majority of the population in the St. Louis area, which is predominantly on the Missouri side of the river. With Southwest keeping fares down in STL (with 80+ daily flights), there's little motivation to travel the extra half hour.

COS: Learn from history. Western Pacific failed. The population base isn't large enough in the Colorado Springs area, and the presence of Frontier at DEN (with lower fares than UA) limits the amount of traffic you can draw from Denver today.

HOU: You'd have to be insane to start an airline at an airport which is dominated by Southwest with 150 daily flights, and which also competes with Continental's largest hub 30 miles away. Watch the red ink flow. Same for DAL - Southwest will kill you on the short-haul or AA will kill you on the long haul.

ABQ: Another airport dominated by Southwest; moreover, the high-fare traffic you need to support a hub is limited.

GSO: 50 miles from RDU and Midway's hub without quite as favorable demographics as RDU. (And look at Midway's current financial condition). Also in the shadow of CLT, ATL, IAD, BWI. Failed hub for Continental Lite.

XNA: Even smaller than Little Rock or Jackson.
DSM: Also too small (smaller than OMA).


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

N863DA, inner city population means nothing. Jacksonville has 750,000 residents in an area of 650 square miles. Miami has 360,000 residents in an area of 36 square miles. Orlando has 1.5M residents plus the tourist traffic. Miami has 3.9M residents plus the tourist traffic and two major airprots. Tampa Bay has 2.4M residents. The Jax metro is 1.1M, less than even Grand Rapids and Raleigh-Durham. Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with JAX, but too small for anything major. Tourist cities aside, the smallest you can get for strong operations is about Charlotte (1.6M), with some exceptions (MEM and RDU). Too support a lot on the O&D side, you can't go much smaller than Seattle (3.1M).


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User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Central-South Florida needs a new airline or airport. Tampa is nearly out of room to expand, unless they go into the ocean. Orlando is now maxed with the addition of the new airside. Miami is in bad shape and always has been from a design stand point. The plans to build something new in the Everglades was cancelled due to concerns from a nature standpoint, so plans are to move it north, somewhere into Polk County to supplement Tampa, Orlando, and the surrounding area. My guess is that with all the businesses coming to the I-4 corridor, this would be a gold mine.

User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

I agree with ScottB in all of his assesments. GSO failed for CO Lite and Eastwind.

I do like JAX though, although DL dominates that airport through ATL, but I think it could support nonstop flights bypassing ATL. Nothing too ambitious though.

I like ONT too, hugely growing area.

FLL, the countries fastest growing airport has tons of open new gates after completing the new Terminal 1. Yes, Metrojet, JetBlue, Southwest, Midway, Delta Express, Spirit, and Airtran keep fares low, but I think yet another well run low fare carrier would work, perhaps even with service to the Carribean and Trans-Atlantic service over the summer.

rgds
russ


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

"FLL, the countries fastest growing airport has tons of open new gates after completing the new Terminal 1."

Yep, all 9 of them  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

CMH would be a nice place. Its a nice airport about 18 miles from downtown Columbus. There is a brand new terminal that will be built that will be fully developed to 34 gates as demand dictates, and also a concouse expansion on the way. As well as a new runway, a new control tower, and another taxiway bridge over Sawyer Rd. The current runways can be used by all types of commercial aircraft.

User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1971 times:

CoLite failed countrywide, not because of GSO. Eastwind failed due ot poor management.

GSO may not be best place for new airline but better than others.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

Uhh yeah...

9 relative to the total number of gates at FLL is a pretty significant precentage. A whole concourse at Terminal 3 is practically empty with just US/Metrojet taking up a few gates.

So, yeah there is tons of room for someone to do a large ramp up.

russ


User currently offlineAirlineguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

IND - its demographicly correct, growing airport, major companies based or moving in IN. Can expand routes to both eastern and western cities.

User currently offlineHighflyer16 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1961 times:

Don't count out MCI in Kansas City! Of course another startup airline, Vanguard, is already trying to make a go of it there.

Kansas City has been underserverd for years, partly due to the fact that it's airport was designed in the 60s at a time when most airlines flew pretty much point to point. Instead of having concourses, the airport consists of three circular terminals that you can drive right up to, and planes board right behind the ticket counter. It's nice for O&D traffic because you walk only 50 feet from curbside to plane, but it can only be used by a small airline for making connections, otherwise gates are simply too far apart.

But they could accomodate about ten smaller airlines, and that may well be the only way that Kansas City ever gets any decent amount of air traffic. Another thing, I would be willing to bet that if that airline grew, Kansas City would accomodate them with their own concourse in order to keep their business.





User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 1951 times:

SJC or OAK would be way better than sfo as united has a monopoly their.

User currently offlineDrDrewO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months ago) and read 1945 times:

I think SNA could be a cool hub for a starting airline. Lot's of tourist places and many tourist cities like San Diego, Anaheim, and Los Angeles. But I think there won't be enough room.

User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1941 times:



How about BOS after the on-going expansion?


User currently offlineR.I.P TWA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Have to agree on IND. 3 runways 11,200ft/10,000ft/7,600ft. 33 gates, and only 18 airlines with only 12 majors, and (according to their website) only 45 non-stops(avg.). Southwest is the only problem as they actually have a IND-LAX non-stop, and a number of others. But, a small start-up might be able to find a niche (e.g. non-stops to FL cities.)

User currently offlineAirbusluver From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

DrDrew O,

SNA is out of the question--too many restrictions on noise, etc. Lots of NIMBY's (Not In My BackYard) griping about noise. The airport is currently maxed out in terms of slots.


User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

I would have to go with...

San Antonio (SAT): large city, no dominant carrier, good location for transboarder flights.

Austin (AUS): huge technology center, booming population, new airport with readily expandable facilities.

Indianapolis (IND): large new midfield terminal to begin construction, no dominant carrier, ATA has a minimal presence, and large population base.


25 TWA : FLL/IND/MSY TWA
26 Gsoflyer : I would like to say, CO Lite failed on the corporate level, that had nothign to do with Greensboro or the area in general. Eastwind failed because an
27 Gsoflyer : Greensboro is going through Terminal Expansion on the South Concourse. Runway 14/32 is being lengthened to 10,000 ft. And the New Parrallel 10,000 run
28 AerLingus : Uhh...isn't Am Trans headquartered at IND?
29 Airbusluver : AerLingus, Yes--AmTran is headquartered at IND, but their hub is in MDW.
30 AF007 : It's true, people in Indianapolis are perplexed by ATA's hub at MDW. Can anyone explain it? I'd suggest Gary airport near Chicago - because it's near
31 WiLdmanVzla : Why only in the US?????... right now there's a big need for a new airline in BUENOS AIRES!!!!! *******
32 Airlinelover : I think TPA, MCO, or MIA would be a good base for a new airline, especially is one of their big things is package vacations. I am living in Michigan,
33 Deltaflyertoo : Are you sure SW has an IND-LAX nonstop? I don't think that is correct. I don't think IND would work although theoretically it looks attractive. From w
34 R.I.P TWA : According to the indianapolis airport web-site which lists all the cities to which they fly with stops as well as non-stops. They listed a non-stop fr
35 HlywdCatft : At DTW I would like to see another carrier set up a hub to compete against Northwest to bring down ticket prices. Spirit sort of has a hub at DTW. Ano
36 PanAm747 : ATL-No carrier has a large presence there. But seriously, about Florida, it seems EVERY AIRLINE, especially the low cost ones, travel to Florida, and
37 LV : As far as the idea of Florida flights from IND, most of ATA's flights at IND go to Florida...at least the ones not going to Chicago (yes and there are
38 Post contains images Airbusluver : PanAm747, ATL-No carrier has a large presence there: Hmm. Tell that to Delta Florida: Too low of yield for a normal carrier. It seems most people on t
39 PanAm747 : Airbusluver-I was just kidding. About Florida, does anyone know of a major airline in the U.S. that DOESN'T fly to Florida? That must be the most flow
40 YoungDon : I think that IND could work, as the population base is higher than many think. Think about it this way: Indianapolis is the only large airport in Indi
41 Skychuck : Dayton: Piedmont did well there, too close to PIT so US closed it. The opportunities US squandered with PI/PS are shameful. Newburgh: Close to NYC, fa
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