aerialix From Finland, joined May 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3968 times:
After the collapse of partnership with Finncomm Airlines Finnair quickly came up with a solution on how to arrange it's domestic and Estonian feeder traffic. From the beginning of October Flybe will base three Q400s at HEL and initially fly to TMP, TKU and TLL. Finnish speaking cabin crew will be recruited for these flights. Finncomm was also asked to bid for the services but they didn't reply, probably being too busy in their merger talks with AirBaltic. Here is the press release in English:
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6473 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
To my understanding BE will operate for AY under some wet/dry-lease contract.
It appears not to be the case that BE is operating the routes under their own flight number and AY just code-shares.
Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account.
-HT
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vv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6628 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
I do not think so. BE will operate flights for AY from HEL basing three of their Q400s there. That sounds to me like a very significant level of co-operation.
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3490 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
To my understanding BE will operate for AY under some wet/dry-lease contract.
Looks indeed like just a replacement for Finncomm services.
Quoting aerialix (Thread starter): After the collapse of partnership with Finncomm Airlines
What happened here? And how was the situation? For what I can find on the internet, Finncomm is an independent airline who happened to operate a certain number of AY flights, using small aircraft?
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account.
IMO, in relation with the AF codeshare, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were a codeshare cooperation. BE has said a few times recently that they were to expand in Europe, and I wouldn't be surprised if they will eventually feed several airlines (sometimes on an "operated by" agreement, sometimes using codeshares on their own risk, etc) throughout Europe.
Reading the press release, apparantly AY feels like cooperating more with BE in the near future.
GSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 400 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
Quoting aerialix (Thread starter): From the beginning of October Flybe will base three Q400s at HEL and initially fly to TMP, TKU and TLL. Finnish speaking cabin crew will be recruited for these flights.
Interesting to see BE co-operating with AY. There have been Rumours and I stress they are at present just rumours, on other forums that BA is set to announce this month it has sold some if not all of it's LGW shorthaul route network. In return for a increased stake in BE.
In time, 2 + years at least, could BE follow AB into the OW alliance.
What routes do finncomm currently operate for AY??
aerialix From Finland, joined May 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3078 times:
Until now FC has been operating AY's HEL-TLL/TKU/TMP/OTP/RIX routes as wet leases. Most FC-operated domestic flights have been code shares with AY, providing feeder traffic to AY's international network from HEL. On top of this FC has operated some routes solely with their own number (HEL-SJY/POR/KEM/SVL/VRK/LPP), some of them as PSO services. For some reason FC has decided to end their co-op with AY and begin merger talks with BT. They are pulling out of SJY and POR, which will be left totally without air services, unless KF steps in with their new B717s. According to a Finnish newspaper article Flybe will bring Q400s and E-jets to operate HEL-JYV/OUL/RVN/VAA/KUO/JOE/KAJ/KAO/KTT/IVL/TMP/TKU/KOK. Now this is interesting as there is no mention about international routes operated by FC, except TLL. Will AY fly it's own metal to RIX/OTP and the soon to be relaunched STR? And how will AY's pilots react as Flybe steps in to operate AY-routes to northern Finland, which have previously been operated by Finnair planes?
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
This nit-picking, so common on A.net, reminds me of why I stopped posting on the forum a few years back. Just plain annoying.
okAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
Aerialix, u beat me to it
It will be interesting to see if this really materialises, and if so, who is going to pay for the empty seats. Because then the situation will be such, that there will be five operators in the Finnish markets: Finnair, FinnCom, FlyBe, Blue1 and Air Baltic. I don't think there are enough passengers to go around to all of them!
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3007 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 2): Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account
I don't see BE going down the alliance route so working with airlines of different alliances, as well as non-aligned airlines, shouldn't be an issue
Quoting okAY (Reply 8): It will be interesting to see if this really materialises, and if so, who is going to pay for the empty seats. Because then the situation will be such, that there will be five operators in the Finnish markets: Finnair, FinnCom, FlyBe, Blue1 and Air Baltic
It sounds like Fincomm and Air Baltic could become one, and BE/AY will be a joint operation, so really only three players
FlyBe:
"Flybe and Finnair have also agreed to begin discussions on a potential wider co-operation agreement, which could see Flybe providing a range of services across Nordic and Baltic Sea markets."
Quoting joost (Reply 4): What happened here? And how was the situation? For what I can find on the internet, Finncomm is an independent airline who happened to operate a certain number of AY flights, using small aircraft?
From outside it looks FinnComm's owners want to get rid of the company, that is loosing money. When AY wasn't interested to pay the money asked, the Air Baltic card was hit the table. AY didn't rise their offer, FC said adios and turned back to the Baltics. Probably FC thought AY would had been more eager to keep their old feeder and more worried for Air Baltic's plans in Finland.
FC operates 8x ATR 72-500, 5x ATR 42-500 and 2x E170 (leased from AY).
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6473 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2463 times:
Quoting Andaman (Reply 10): It seems a wider cooparation also possible:
FlyBe:
"Flybe and Finnair have also agreed to begin discussions on a potential wider co-operation agreement, which could see Flybe providing a range of services across Nordic and Baltic Sea markets."
Now, this takes the whole thing to a higher level than just "BE is operating domestic flights on behalf of AY". Connecting eachothers hubs would make sense, but especially AY could benefit from additional feed to their HEL-hub.
Quoting Humberside (Reply 9): I don't see BE going down the alliance route so working with airlines of different alliances, as well as non-aligned airlines, shouldn't be an issue
Would be an okay strategy, IMO.
Quoting aerialix (Reply 7): This nit-picking, so common on A.net, reminds me of why I stopped posting on the forum a few years back. Just plain annoying.
Please see my IM as reply.
-HT
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