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Flybe Begins Co-operation With Finnair  
User currently offlineaerialix From Finland, joined May 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

After the collapse of partnership with Finncomm Airlines Finnair quickly came up with a solution on how to arrange it's domestic and Estonian feeder traffic. From the beginning of October Flybe will base three Q400s at HEL and initially fly to TMP, TKU and TLL. Finnish speaking cabin crew will be recruited for these flights. Finncomm was also asked to bid for the services but they didn't reply, probably being too busy in their merger talks with AirBaltic. Here is the press release in English:

https://newsclient.omxgroup.com/cdsPublic/viewDisclosure.action?disclosureId=412584&lang=en


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User currently offlineantonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

I am sure Flybe have loads of Finnish speaking cabin crew  
It shouldn't be a problem for them


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
To my understanding BE will operate for AY under some wet/dry-lease contract.
It appears not to be the case that BE is operating the routes under their own flight number and AY just code-shares.

Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account.
-HT



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User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?

I do not think so. BE will operate flights for AY from HEL basing three of their Q400s there. That sounds to me like a very significant level of co-operation.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?
To my understanding BE will operate for AY under some wet/dry-lease contract.

Looks indeed like just a replacement for Finncomm services.

Quoting aerialix (Thread starter):
After the collapse of partnership with Finncomm Airlines

What happened here? And how was the situation? For what I can find on the internet, Finncomm is an independent airline who happened to operate a certain number of AY flights, using small aircraft?

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account.

IMO, in relation with the AF codeshare, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it were a codeshare cooperation. BE has said a few times recently that they were to expand in Europe, and I wouldn't be surprised if they will eventually feed several airlines (sometimes on an "operated by" agreement, sometimes using codeshares on their own risk, etc) throughout Europe.

Reading the press release, apparantly AY feels like cooperating more with BE in the near future.


User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting aerialix (Thread starter):
From the beginning of October Flybe will base three Q400s at HEL and initially fly to TMP, TKU and TLL. Finnish speaking cabin crew will be recruited for these flights.

Interesting to see BE co-operating with AY. There have been Rumours and I stress they are at present just rumours, on other forums that BA is set to announce this month it has sold some if not all of it's LGW shorthaul route network. In return for a increased stake in BE.

In time, 2 + years at least, could BE follow AB into the OW alliance.

What routes do finncomm currently operate for AY??

[Edited 2010-08-04 15:23:45]

User currently offlineAYA333 From Finland, joined Aug 2008, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Now also at Flybe website:
http://www.flybe.com/news/1008/05.htm



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User currently offlineaerialix From Finland, joined May 2008, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Until now FC has been operating AY's HEL-TLL/TKU/TMP/OTP/RIX routes as wet leases. Most FC-operated domestic flights have been code shares with AY, providing feeder traffic to AY's international network from HEL. On top of this FC has operated some routes solely with their own number (HEL-SJY/POR/KEM/SVL/VRK/LPP), some of them as PSO services. For some reason FC has decided to end their co-op with AY and begin merger talks with BT. They are pulling out of SJY and POR, which will be left totally without air services, unless KF steps in with their new B717s. According to a Finnish newspaper article Flybe will bring Q400s and E-jets to operate HEL-JYV/OUL/RVN/VAA/KUO/JOE/KAJ/KAO/KTT/IVL/TMP/TKU/KOK. Now this is interesting as there is no mention about international routes operated by FC, except TLL. Will AY fly it's own metal to RIX/OTP and the soon to be relaunched STR? And how will AY's pilots react as Flybe steps in to operate AY-routes to northern Finland, which have previously been operated by Finnair planes?

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Isn't the thread title a bit misleading ?

This nit-picking, so common on A.net, reminds me of why I stopped posting on the forum a few years back. Just plain annoying.



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User currently offlineokAY From Finland, joined Dec 2006, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

Aerialix, u beat me to it  

It will be interesting to see if this really materialises, and if so, who is going to pay for the empty seats. Because then the situation will be such, that there will be five operators in the Finnish markets: Finnair, FinnCom, FlyBe, Blue1 and Air Baltic. I don't think there are enough passengers to go around to all of them!

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[Edited 2010-08-05 02:15:01]

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
Anything into direction of "code-share" would have been a surprise taking BE's recent code-share agreement with AF into account

I don't see BE going down the alliance route so working with airlines of different alliances, as well as non-aligned airlines, shouldn't be an issue

Quoting okAY (Reply 8):
It will be interesting to see if this really materialises, and if so, who is going to pay for the empty seats. Because then the situation will be such, that there will be five operators in the Finnish markets: Finnair, FinnCom, FlyBe, Blue1 and Air Baltic

It sounds like Fincomm and Air Baltic could become one, and BE/AY will be a joint operation, so really only three players



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Quoting AYA333 (Reply 6):
Now also at Flybe website:
http://www.flybe.com/news/1008/05.htm

It seems a wider cooparation also possible:

FlyBe:
"Flybe and Finnair have also agreed to begin discussions on a potential wider co-operation agreement, which could see Flybe providing a range of services across Nordic and Baltic Sea markets."

Quoting joost (Reply 4):
What happened here? And how was the situation? For what I can find on the internet, Finncomm is an independent airline who happened to operate a certain number of AY flights, using small aircraft?

From outside it looks FinnComm's owners want to get rid of the company, that is loosing money. When AY wasn't interested to pay the money asked, the Air Baltic card was hit the table. AY didn't rise their offer, FC said adios and turned back to the Baltics. Probably FC thought AY would had been more eager to keep their old feeder and more worried for Air Baltic's plans in Finland.

FC operates 8x ATR 72-500, 5x ATR 42-500 and 2x E170 (leased from AY).


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 10):
It seems a wider cooparation also possible:

FlyBe:
"Flybe and Finnair have also agreed to begin discussions on a potential wider co-operation agreement, which could see Flybe providing a range of services across Nordic and Baltic Sea markets."

Now, this takes the whole thing to a higher level than just "BE is operating domestic flights on behalf of AY". Connecting eachothers hubs would make sense, but especially AY could benefit from additional feed to their HEL-hub.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
I don't see BE going down the alliance route so working with airlines of different alliances, as well as non-aligned airlines, shouldn't be an issue

Would be an okay strategy, IMO.

Quoting aerialix (Reply 7):
This nit-picking, so common on A.net, reminds me of why I stopped posting on the forum a few years back. Just plain annoying.

Please see my IM as reply.
-HT



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