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IB Soon Going For Shopping....(long Haul)  
User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18389 times:

I was very lazy and I was waiting for someone to post but finally i have to do by myself...

I´ve read in "EL ECONOMISTA" spanish newspaper and in www.aviaciondigital.com that IB has prepare 3.700 millions of Euros for replacement of the long haul fleet..

Keys facts:

-Between 2010 and 2015, the leasing contract of 13 IB A343 that currently in the fleet will expire.
-Between 2015 and 2018, the leasing contract of 12 IB A346 will expire.

They have some possible choices.

- Add more A346...... not very easy.... last one was delivered to IB a month ago.... so no more in production line....
-Place a new order for new planes.....

After solving all the problems with the BA-IB merger now it´s time to solve next issue...

No doubt that the order will go to Airbus, given that IB has an all Airbus fleet, and It doesn´t look that they will go for boeing again.....

So now the question is, What models?? A350-xxx and A380, with some A330 series as interim solution???

Some friends of mine, that work for IB have said that there´s a big rumor about A380, The plane is under a deep analisys for some routes, also the new A350, because some of the IB network airports.... MEX and Quito.... I guess.... they are looking for possible limitations and operational issues...

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User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18320 times:

Inetresting, will BA and IB place a joint order? Will the merger mean IB more likely to shop with Boeing and the 787/773 will be considered.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6594 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18303 times:

Couldn't they just renew the leasing contracts ? Surely at least the A346 are quite new, and the lessor might give them a good deal.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18172 times:

I see a combined 788/A359 order. IB does need a plane the size of the A359 for some destinations in the Americas but if they want to expand the list of long haul destinations to other continents or even to secondary destinations in the Americas (i.e. BOS, LAX, SSA, etc), the A359 is too much plane.

User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18120 times:

I could see them just extending their leasing contracts until a real new replacement is available.


I would not rule out Boeing to win a part of the deal!


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18031 times:

Quoting migair54 (Thread starter):
´ve read in "EL ECONOMISTA" spanish newspaper and in www.aviaciondigital.com that IB has prepare 3.700 millions of Euros for replacement of the long haul fleet..

Keys facts:

-Between 2010 and 2015, the leasing contract of 13 IB A343 that currently in the fleet will expire.
-Between 2015 and 2018, the leasing contract of 12 IB A346 will expire.

For 3.7 billion euro($5 billion), one could order 20-25 A359/B789 at list prices. Seems like they have enough funds to order close to 30-35 WBs.

Assuming IB goes all Airbus, A359 and A350-1000 seem like logical choices.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9772 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17918 times:

Quoting migair54 (Thread starter):
So now the question is, What models?? A350-xxx and A380, with some A330 series as interim solution???

I agree on this too, the A350 looks to be a strong possibility for their A340 replacement, both the -900 and -1000 variant. Airbus might offer them a few brandnew A330-300X's as interim solution. Regarding the 787, I honestly don't know. It is a good aircraft IB might be able to use on thinner longer (new) flights and jointly maintain them with the 787's BA ordered. Who knows, anything is possible.

A388


User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17882 times:

Quoting migair54 (Thread starter):
Add more A346...... not very easy.... last one was delivered to IB a month ago.... so no more in production line....

They could still add more...I dont think the production line is closed.



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17831 times:

I do not see the A350-1000 as a good A340-600 replacement for IB.


It is the old twin versus quad problem on hot and high airports of which Iberia has some in their network...

Maybe we will see an order like this:


- A350-900 for the A343s
- A350-1000 for a part of the A346s
- A388 for the remaining h+h routes of the A346s


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11639 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17763 times:

An A380 order is inevitable in my opinion, either now or in a few years time - once merged with BA they can share common costs. There are a number of routes which could already take an A380, let alone allowing for growth of the rapidly developing South American market, plus the affects of a greater BA feed into MAD.


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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17633 times:

It's a combined A330/A340 production line, so if you want A340s now or in a medium term, you will get them. I don't see more A343s, but more A346 is likely. The A380 is far too big for places like Quito, maybe the 747-8i too. As a typical hot and high airport, the A346 seems to be the logical choice at Iberia.

But who knows ... it's simply depends on the hot and high performance of the 787-9.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17604 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
An A380 order is inevitable in my opinion, either now or in a few years time - once merged with BA they can share common costs. There are a number of routes which could already take an A380, let alone allowing for growth of the rapidly developing South American market, plus the affects of a greater BA feed into MAD.

Agreed.

EZE, GRU, GIG, MEX, LIM and CCS could easily fill a 388 to/from MAD.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11639 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17609 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 10):
The A380 is far too big for places like Quito, maybe the 747-8i too. As a typical hot and high airport, the A346 seems to be the logical choice at Iberia.

Airport wise this soon won't be an issue. The new airport is opening in late 2011, so by the time any new order arrives this will be resolved.


Dan  



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User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17591 times:

If they do place an order, I strongly suspect it will be a joint order with BA. This was touted as one of the benefits of the merger.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17497 times:

Quoting by188b (Reply 1):
Will the merger mean IB more likely to shop with Boeing and the 787/773 will be considered.

Considering the nature of some of Iberia's destinations, the 777-200LR might actually be the best plane for them although it is a bit big to replace A340-300s and a bit small to replace A340-600s. Honestly, I think that they are best off just keeping what they have now and then reassessing in a few years. The A350-900R would probably do quite well for them as well, when it comes along (supposedly in 2016).



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17457 times:

If they merge with BA, I see Boeings in their fleet soon. I would say they would opt for a combination B787/B777 and joint BA order.

BA will be looking for more 777-300ER's, I think that would be the best time for both to place a massive 777/787 order.

That's my 2 cents.


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17324 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Considering the nature of some of Iberia's destinations, the 777-200LR might actually be the best plane for them although it is a bit big to replace A340-300s and a bit small to replace A340-600s.

If they don't need an Ultra Long Range aircraft for their destinations now - why would they get some of this specialised aircraft type in the future?

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):
If they merge with BA, I see Boeings in their fleet soon. I would say they would opt for a combination B787/B777 and joint BA order.

They are happy to share A32X model orders at the moment, but I don't see L/H orders on the cards for a while, 4 engines suit IB because of their base - LHR is not MAD (and v.v)

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17276 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
If they don't need an Ultra Long Range aircraft for their destinations now - why would they get some of this specialised aircraft type in the future?

Some of their destinations in Latin America are in a warm climate with a highish elevation, so the extra power of the -200LR might be what they want. Really, a four engined aircraft would be best, but that may not be an option in the future.



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User currently offlinemestrugo From Chile, joined Apr 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17228 times:

I wouldn't discard an A388 order from IB before 2015. As far as I can tell, some of the rutes they fly with the A346 are quite full, like MAD-EZE.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17058 times:

I would not be at all surprised to see IB go for the 380; remember that for routes like MEX, EZE, CCS, BOG and possibly MIA, you need more than one acft to mount a daily service; 10-12 would be my guess. As for replacing the A340s, the reality is that - apart from the A380 - there are no other quads around. AV operates A330s nonstop from BOG to MAD (among other destinations), so the A350 presumably could as well; no doubt IB will specify this in its performance requirements.

As for UIO, won't the new airport be opened by the time the A350 comes online?

It strikes me that given the complete domination of the IB fleet by Airbus, this is Airbus's order to lose.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16982 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 19):
It strikes me that given the complete domination of the IB fleet by Airbus, this is Airbus's order to lose

I would tend to agree with this. IB is big enough that they can do what is best for them, regardless of BA.



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16512 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
I would tend to agree with this. IB is big enough that they can do what is best for them, regardless of BA.

Any future additions to the IB fleet will be as any BA additions will be not come from the IB board but will come from the board of IAG.

They are looking to grow both BA and IB's fleets, whilst reducing costs. If IB announces they will add the A350 to the fleet then expect a order by IAG for BA to follow very close behind it.

From 2015 onward I would expect IB to have added :

8-12 A388's to operate to EZE, GRU, MEX etc
5-10 772/773 to operate those routes currently served by the A343 and A346
10+ 787-8/9's - To be used to grow the MAD hub and to operate to destanations in Nth America and also to operate new routes to Africa, Asia and possibly middle east.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16377 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 21):
If IB announces they will add the A350 to the fleet then expect a order by IAG for BA to follow very close behind it.

But that's if the A350 is the best plane for both airlines. I think that both IB and BA are certainly large enough that their fleet decisions don't have to be joined at the hip and they can each have the fleet that works best for them.



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User currently offlineTalaier From Spain, joined May 2008, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16087 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 21):
Any future additions to the IB fleet will be as any BA additions will be not come from the IB board but will come from the board of IAG.

They are looking to grow both BA and IB's fleets, whilst reducing costs. If IB announces they will add the A350 to the fleet then expect a order by IAG for BA to follow very close behind it.

From 2015 onward I would expect IB to have added :

8-12 A388's to operate to EZE, GRU, MEX etc
5-10 772/773 to operate those routes currently served by the A343 and A346
10+ 787-8/9's - To be used to grow the MAD hub and to operate to destanations in Nth America and also to operate new routes to Africa, Asia and possibly middle east.

It has been said, repeated times, that one of the "major cost savings" from the merger would be in fleet management. In other words, joint orders and joint maintenance. IB has a very well run maintenance arm with huge expertise and capital invested in maintenance facilities and WW said that they were looking to potentiate that given it's profitability (the only part of IB that made money last year for instance) and to start marketing BA maintenance facilities to outside customers.

As to joint orders, you've pretty much nailed it. I'd swap the 777's by some A350s but overall seems very reasonable. IB's A380's will come as a bulk order with BA and their maintenance will be joint to save in costs. And I would not be surprised at all if some of BA's standing A380s in order go to IB. The same goes for the rest of the fleet.

I'm expecting IAG to get hands on with new orders as soon as the merger is finalised later in the year. For now, both BA and IB have got enough planes to go by. In between, if demand really continues to shoot up, we might see IB buying some second hand 330s, but not 777s given that cost of training crews and adapting maintenance facilities. The only way I could see Boeing aicraft in IB livery any time in the next 2-3 years is with a speeded up merger of maintenance facilities and operations which, given how huge both airlines are, is unlikely.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16046 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 21):
8-12 A388's to operate to EZE, GRU, MEX etc

Sounds indeed very likely.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 21):
5-10 772/773 to operate those routes currently served by the A343 and A346

Not so likely I believe, especially as the 346 are very recent.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 21):
10+ 787-8/9's - To be used to grow the MAD hub and to operate to destanations in Nth America and also to operate new routes to Africa, Asia and possibly middle east.

That's a possibility, but don't forget that through its current airbus-only mainline fleet, IB derives appreciable benefits. There would have to be substantial benefits to put an end to such consistency. Airbus may still offer 332 and 333 at a first stage.

And before IB embarks into longhaul expansion plans outside Latin America, it will have to review thoroughly and enhance its current longhaul service standards. While it enjoys a captive market on Latin America, it will face way more competitive pressure on other longhaul networks...


25 GSTBA : Very recent but leases are as migair54 stated in his initial post the aircraft leases start to expire in 2015, With less than 100 A346's in service w
26 Bongodog1964 : Basing your long term fleet plan around challenging "hot and high" runways is probably not a very good idea, in many of these locations an extra few
27 Braniff727Ultra : The A346's leases would most likely be renewed/extended for some duration (Say 3-5 yrs) while they await 359 and 787/9 slots to open up. Certainly the
28 KFlyer : In my opinion, it will likely be some 5-10 A380s and the rest A350s. Even with BA, it is quite unlikely they will go for Boeing given since they will
29 FCKC : Time has come for Iberia to buy A380.If they still wait for some more years before ordering it , with all the Emirates planes coming off the line , th
30 Burkhard : Madrid is a place from where you don't need ultra long range planes, and misusing the 77L just for hot and high is not efficient. I see the 346 lease
31 Post contains images SamuP : How does the A388 behave in hot & high airports? I believe that's key since many of IB transatlantic destinations are of this nature, hence the i
32 Burkhard : Last time I saw one she had four engines, which did not look like hair dryers :lol:
33 Post contains images frigatebird : Yes there is: The 747-8i I honestly think it has a chance with IB. Not as a favourite of course - IB is and will remain an Airbus stronghold. But it
34 Carls : What about the relationship between IB and Airbus, and also the great relationshiop between BA and Airbus? I think this is Aibus to win because the p
35 ACES320 : The fact is that we are not talking here about BA facing challenging conditions flying to Denver. We are talking about a full range of destinations b
36 Burkhard : LIM is at sea level, alwalys milfd tempreature, and often bad fog.... Rest of your post I agree...
37 ACES320 : Sorry I often make that mistake. Let's swap for La Paz, and Santa Cruz. As far as I am aware IB does not fly to these destinations but these airports
38 CHRISBA777ER : I'm expecting 10 A388s and 20-ish A359. I dont really see the 77W having much of a chance here as the timeframe on these orders is quite a long way in
39 airbazar : Not a single airport in IB's current wide body network is slot or capacity restricted in any way. You can almost make that argument for GRU but not r
40 ACES320 : I tend to agree that the A380 stands good chances here. However I would not go as high as 10 frames but most likely 5-6, like in the case of Qatar Ai
41 PlymSpotter : That's incorrect actually. EZE is preparing for it, as per the A380 order by Grupo Marsans - although that order is now dead, they didn't just place
42 SR4ever : Very much agreed, unless EADS can achieve a sharp rise in the 380 production pace in 4-5 yrs'time... Or perhaps some of these missing reference custo
43 avek00 : The airlines you mentioned are right to "hesitate" in ordering the A380 - they'd have all lost their shirts if they were operating them during the 20
44 ACES320 : The frozen design stage for the A351 has not been reached yet. From the original especifications the A351 seat count is 40-50 less than the A346. The
45 Burkhard : The airlines that had A388 a good year ago have not lost their shirts, but are wearing golden dresses. Given that A380 production is at 3 per months
46 Post contains images airbazar : Yes, because Group Marsans would never do anything unrealistic or that didn't make good fincancial sense I'll believe it when I see it. And what bene
47 SamuP : BOG airport is currently under renovations .. heavy ones. I'd be surprised if it doesn't have at least 1 A380 capable gate. Also, remember that Quito
48 SR4ever : More capacity, cheaper fares, compared to 1 346.[Edited 2010-08-05 06:52:35]
49 jfk777 : WHY is the airport conversation in Latin America about the A380 which may happen once, twice and if you are really lucky three times daily. The infra
50 PM : We're all just guessing so let me add my armchair analysis. The A359 seems almost tailor-made for Iberia. It beggars belief that they won't order it.
51 CHRISBA777ER : Thats like saying the A388 is too big for BA because they have three daily 744s HKG - LHR. It is not too big for Iberia. Some might wish it were, but
52 Airportugal310 : Well stated, sir. The only issue with size here, really, is gate space it seems
53 328JET : What is the real problem about gate space? There is no such problem! If IB would order now and operate the A388 from 2014/2015, all destinations would
54 BA174 : I wonder if IB will start to own their future fleet now like BA does instead of just leasing them
55 migair54 : I´ve been thinking and I think that IB is the right candidate for A380, and specially to take over the Grupo Marsans order, because these slots could
56 bonusonus : Right, in some configurations the 388 doesn't carry significantly more than a 77W or a 346. However, that config would also include close to 100 J se
57 clydenairways : There is no doubt that BA/IB will streamline fleet purchases for the future, as will AF/KL. Engine selection will also be standardised. The fleets won
58 YULWinterSkies : Not a problem. The production line is the same as the one that produces all these new shiny A330s. It's pretty busy right now, and getting A346s migh
59 Post contains images tom355uk : Firstly, IB have JUST, less than 2 months ago, received their latest A346 and yet the armchair CEO's (who seem to be big time Boeing fanboys ) are try
60 Post contains images rleiro : I don't see a 777-300 / 787 order coming to IB. However, the merge with BA could change this, although I believe the A350 / A380 choice would fit bet
61 Post contains images EA772LR : As the arm chair CEOs are comically saying they'll execute it and replace it with A359/A3510 and/or A388s. I personally see the A350 as a given down
62 jdevora : On top of reply 35, my understanding, from reading a.net, is that a longer runway is not always a solution, because you might end not been able to us
63 SR4ever : Demand on Europe-CCS has indeed dropped sharply in the past months, in parrallel with the the oil prices... But that will pick up, sooner or later. M
64 328JET : @ EA772LR Ho do you come to the conclusion that the B787-9 would be a perfect A343-replacement? Not many airlines so far selected the -9 as a A343-rep
65 airbazar : No it's not the same and I'll tell you why: 1) LHR is slot restricted and at capacity. MAD is anything but. 2) BA operates to airports that are slot
66 jfk777 : Too simple, schedulng is different since LHR to HKG is 7 time zones different, EZE to MAD is 4 hours time difference. IB should serve South America w
67 columba : I honestly could see IB ordering the 747-8I. They have the need for a large quad for their network and the A380 might be a bit too large.
68 PM : Really? I'm not doubting you, but what did IB have against RR? They chose RR for their 757s and, I assume, were happy with them.
69 BMI727 : The only way I see that as having even a chance of happening would be if either Boeing made them an offer they just couldn't refuse (although Boeing
70 tom355uk : Exactly. Why do they need replacing yet? There is probably 15-20 years left in the A346 fleet yet! How is the 748 going to compare to the A346's CASM
71 Burkhard : If IB gets 6 A380, these can replace 9 A346 and still provide some growth. IV will pack about 580 pax into the A388 - LATAM has a huge price sensitiv
72 Burkhard : If IB gets 6 A380, these can replace 9 A346 and still provide some growth. IB will pack about 580 pax into the A388 - LATAM has a huge price sensitiv
73 Post contains images frigatebird : Makes very good sense, and applies not just to the 748 but to the A380 as well. Notwithstanding how much many of us like to see a VLA in IB's fleet,
74 Post contains images PlymSpotter : That time period is a little skewed, to say the least. As I have already mentioned GRU, which is restricted to 45 movements per hour during peak time
75 CHRISBA777ER : Bang on. The trouble with a-net is that if you get told things enough times - such as "there are no airports prepared to invest the billions required
76 tom355uk : Well I have been running a few approximate figures and I have got this so far: The 747-8 is said by Boeing to have 'Nearly equivalent trip costs...(t
77 Burkhard : I can follow your numbers, but if the A346 really would offer a 7-8% lower CASM then the 748I I know one airline that would not have ordered the 748I
78 babybus : Now that BA have a hand in them this is very likely. Again we see that aircraft choice is not about economics but a political statement. I'm hoping I
79 tom355uk : Like I said, CASM varies wildly and is very carrier specific. I was just throwing some roughly calculated numbers together to show the A346 isn't as
80 CHRISBA777ER : Neither am I, but them's the times we live in. You adapt and you move with the times or you dont. I actually think we'll see more airlines join the b
81 CHRISBA777ER : I think people tend to lump in the A346 into the A345 thing - the A345 did what it said it would, and still does, but for anything other than ULH rou
82 Burkhard : Yes. There isn't enough air for more than three world wide airlines, called *, OneWorld and Skyteam.
83 CHRISBA777ER : You know I can see it going that way - massive global corporations a'la Microsoft or McDonalds or Apple that are concerned with the regional applicat
84 Post contains images airbazar : That's the thing. I don't think IB is one of them. If you do a search for my user name and A380, you will see that I am one of the biggest defenders
85 AustrianZRH : Reading the OP, it seems like IB is an airline often leasing planes. Could they maybe be a candidate to lease some of the ILFC A380's on a mid-term le
86 Post contains images scouseflyer : That's been something that's been floated many times on here along with SA being a possible destination for some of the ILFC birds, I do hope that so
87 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I don't see why not; T3 at Beijing Capital took three and a half years to build - and you are talking about something significantly larger than GRU's
88 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Sorry - am i missing something here? Since when has the A380 necessitated a new terminal? Most major airports have taxiways big and strong enough to
89 PlymSpotter : From news reports I remember reading, GRU is aiming to make any infrastructure improvements to the old facilities at the same time as the T3 infrastr
90 CHRISBA777ER : Thats what I thought! Makes sense. I'd guess adding the A380-gates would be very simple at MAD given their new terminal there? Do they have any alrea
91 Post contains images airbazar : Unlike most of the rest of the world, including Brazil, China is not a democracy. Labor laws, environmental laws, human rights, all goes out the wind
92 jfk777 : Many 747's are loaded through one jetbridge so why does everyone have this big deal of loading A380's with 3 bridges ? AT some airports 2 narow body
93 Lufthansa411 : There is a snowballs chance in hell that IB orders the 777. 787? Sure. But the 777 no way. It is one thing for IB and BA to coordinate orders when it
94 airbazar : I don't think the biggest problem is the number of jet bridges althought in some cases where the turn around is so tight, having only 1 jetbridge cou
95 LipeGIG : Would be interesting to see if they will insist in capacity or in frequency/new services. The problem of the A380 on IB is the fact that for Latin Ame
96 migair54 : Can anyone inside IB comment about the volume of cargo that IB everyday to places like EZE, MEX, CCS, GRU..... this could help a lot... According to A
97 hawkercamm : I would not dismiss the A350-800. It'll have excellent hot and high performance and will not be leaving payload behind in the summer months. Once the
98 hawkercamm : IB have a large pool of Airbus pilots and I would not under estimate the benefit of MAD long-haul operations remaining all Airbus. BA have a large po
99 realsim : MAD has 2 A380-800-capable gates: stands 507 and 513, which are located in the T4-S. Both have double bridge for boarding, as have almost all gates i
100 LipeGIG : I'm not from IB, but i can give you the information on the volume in KG, for the market, not for IB ================================= ====== APR/10==
101 DCAJet : Correct. The new terminal being built at EZE will have at least one A380 capable gate. Regards,
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Is Copa Ever Going To Buy Long Haul Planes, posted Thu Aug 11 2005 11:51:02 by Snaiks
BA Eyes Airbus For The Long Haul, A380 posted Fri Jan 21 2005 10:10:34 by KEESJE
IB Plans BCN-GRU And BCN Long Haul posted Sun Aug 29 2010 08:07:12 by hardiwv
Norwegian Prepares For Long-haul Services posted Wed Oct 7 2009 05:05:59 by Breiz