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Nose Number On TWA Aircraft?  
User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

I have a photo from about 15 years ago of a TWA 747 on which I flew from STL to JFK. The picture doesn't capture the registry number of the aircraft, but it does show a second number in red near the nose. Does anyone know 1) what this number might reference, and 2) whether it's possible to determine which aircraft this is through this number? I'd like to trace the history of the aircraft if I can.

Thanks!

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Thread starter):
but it does show a second number in red near the nose. Does anyone know 1) what this number might reference, and 2) whether it's possible to determine which aircraft this is through this number?

Assume it's like this L-1011 example? The number is their internal fleet identification number. Yes, with that number you can cross-reference to the registration. What's the number?


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User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4899 times:

Yes, that's it!! I don't recall the number offhand, but I'll check it when I get home, and post it when I get a chance.

User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4818 times:

Actually on a related note, I flew on a TWA 747-100/200 when I was a kid out of JFK in 1996-97. I never got the registration number, but I remember the number "707" being painted on the front of the airplane when looking at it at Gate 25 at JFK (ah the good old days of T5 at JFK, but I digress...). I remember thinking that this was strange, since I knew the aircraft was a 747. Was the 707 number a ship number? Any way to correlate that with a reg number?

Something I've always wondered about...


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4809 times:

are you sure you just weren't getting confused by the 4 engines? You were a kid after all

User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4787 times:

Nope, I know for sure because the front of the aircraft was positioned right at the window and had the double-deck. Plus our seats were in the forward part of the coach cabin such that you could look back into the engines and watch the spinners- those were definitely JT9's and not the JT3's on the 707.

User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4738 times:

OK, I found it! The fleet identification number is really small, but I used a magnifying glass, and I think it's 17115. Again, it's a TWA 747, and the photo is from May of 1997 (if that helps).

User currently offlinemrcoffee From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Reply 6):
OK, I found it! The fleet identification number is really small, but I used a magnifying glass, and I think it's 17115. Again, it's a TWA 747, and the photo is from May of 1997 (if that helps).

According my TWA History book, (TWA - An airlines and Its Aircraft by R.E.G. Davies) 17115 is a 747-131 registration N93115, MSN 20320. Delivered 20 May 71. (Leased from First Chicago Leasing Corp 20 May 70 to 1 Jan 86. Converted to 747-131(F) for Evergreen Int. Airlines.

(Yeah, the book has the delivery date in 1971, but leased in 1970. I'm guessing the leased date should be 1971.)


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
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Based on the information you provided, its N93115, a 747-131


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User currently offlineN905TW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Reply 6):

Hi there, 17115 would have been N93115, although that ship left the TWA fleet somewhere in the late 1980s, or early 1990s. It was not in the fleet in 1997. Is there a chance that your picture could show the TWA Fleet number of 17305? That 747, N305TW was in the fleet up until the end as I remember.

Hope this helps!


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 3):
but I remember the number "707" being painted

Closest is N93107 having the fleet number as 17107



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User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Quoting 413X3 (Reply 4):
are you sure you just weren't getting confused by the 4 engines? You were a kid after all

I'm pretty sure TWA had already retired their 707s by 1996.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting N905TW (Reply 9):
Quoting tsugambler (Reply 6):


Hi there, 17115 would have been N93115, although that ship left the TWA fleet somewhere in the late 1980s, or early 1990s. It was not in the fleet in 1997.

It was with TWA from May 1971 until March 1987. It then went to Evergreen International (N472EV) and was converted to a freighter. Evergreen parked it in 1998 and it was scrapped at Marana around 2002.


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User currently offlineairlinereporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

I always love seeing stories like this. I don't like when they end with the aircraft being destroyed, but it is always interesting to see where an aircraft ended up that we had a personal connection to!

David


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

It's possible... the number is really small, and it was captured at an angle. I'll check again.

User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

OK... after looking at it again, it's possible the number is 17105. (The angle makes the zero, if it is a zero, appear very narrow.) Is there any way to post the photo here so I can get everyone else's opinion?

User currently offlineN905TW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting tsugambler (Reply 15):
OK... after looking at it again, it's possible the number is 17105. (The angle makes the zero, if it is a zero, appear very narrow.) Is there any way to post the photo here so I can get everyone else's opinion?

17105 was N93105.... BUT, this 747 was retired in 1994 and spent the next few years behind the hangar at the Kansas City Maintenance Base as a parts donor - It was scrapped there a few years later, so she was not your plane if you flew in 1997 . . . .


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

OK, here's the original photo (date-stamped 12 May 1997, which I've verified), and then an extreme close-up of the number in question (I apologize about the quality, but it's a scan of a 4x6 print from 1997). What number do you think it might be?


User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

That looks like 17116, which would be N53116 - a 747-131

User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Was that one operating in 1997?

User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

Looks like 17115 to me...

User currently offlinelijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4361 times:
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My first 747 ride was from LHR > LAX in 1976 with TWA. Thanks to a picture my mom made in LAX and that number on the nose, I was able to trace the first 747 I flew in.


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User currently offlineSevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I'm pretty sure thats 17305 on the nose - N305TW. It was a B747-284, delivered second hand to TWA in 1985. Prior to that the aircraft flew for Olympic airways since its delivery from Boeing in 1973.

I have a similar, but much clearer close up of the nose of sister ship N302TW at LAX around 1990. The number on the nose of N301-307TW appears as 173xx.

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As far as I can tell, N305TW was one of only a handfull still operating when you flew. I believe of the originals, only 107, 108 and 109 were still flying for TWA (108 was the only one painted in the full new colours so it definately wasn't her). In addition there was a mixed bag of second hand -200 series aircraft still flying, I think 303, 305 and 307. N306TW was also aquired from KLM but was (AFAIK) the only -200 in the full new colours).

There may be a couple I am missing but I think that answers your question!

Regards

[Edited 2010-08-05 04:56:04]


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User currently offlineN707PA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

BTS is your friend (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml
).......N53116 operated TW062 from STL to JFK on 05/12/1997


User currently offlinetsugambler From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Wow, thanks! The mystery is solved!  

25 Post contains images SevenHeavy : Great website - which obviously gives the correct answer. However, just to throw something else into the mix. N305TW was also on the ground at STL at
26 MadDogJT8D : Thanks for the great answers. The more I think about it, the number I saw was probably 107 and not 707. Which reg # does this correspond to in the fle
27 oly720man : 17107 is N93107
28 Post contains images Viscount724 : It spent its entire life with TWA. Delivered April 29, 1970. Scrapped at Marana in 2000.
29 MadDogJT8D : Sure looks like the bird I flew. I remember the 3 windows on the upper deck as well. Thanks for the answers, I've been wondering about that for 14 yea
30 homsar : Wow. Oh, how I wish that site could go just three years earlier (1995 is the earliest they have). Then I could find out what plane I flew on for my f
31 moose135 : Yes, they were gone by 1982 or 1983.
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