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Aer Lingus: Will It Re-join The Oneworld Alliance?  
User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5648 times:

So it's the question on many people's lips right now, will Aer Lingus rejoin the Oneworld Alliance after stating last month it was looking into joining one of the three alliances.

Surely Oneworld has the most to offer Aer Lingus?

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User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
Surely Oneworld has the most to offer Aer Lingus?

Anything is possible, but as I have asked on the Irish threads several times, what does Aer Lingus offer to OneWorld or other alliance?



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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
So it's the question on many people's lips right now, will Aer Lingus rejoin the Oneworld Alliance after stating last month it was looking into joining one of the three alliances.

Surely Oneworld has the most to offer Aer Lingus?


Its more a case of would OW even entertain a application from EI to re join. I very much doubt they would, when there are some other carriers not yet in a alliance that would offer OW far more than EI every could.

I think EI will end up with star in any alliance.


User currently offlinelaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

They can offer flights to Ireland, because I do not believe that other members offer flights, or at least not as many as Aer Lingus, except maybe for BA. I am not sure however if OneWorld is looking to expand they seem to be doing well as it is, and I am not sure if BA will want them, but it may be better for BA too, so they will not have to compete. I personally see then more as a Sky Team type of airline; this is because of their service, they would be able to code share with all of the Asian airlines as well as DL, there are also more airlines in Sky Team for more places, which would be of benefit to Aer Lingus.


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User currently offlineGSTBA From UK - England, joined Apr 2010, 465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
I am not sure however if OneWorld is looking to expand they seem to be doing well as it is

When AB was added to one world a couple of weeks ago, they said they would not be concentrating on adding members from outwith Europe.

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
They can offer flights to Ireland

From ORD, JFK and BOS. All airports that AA operate from and with the ATI now approved I can see new flights to Ireland added soon.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

Quoting BAfan (Thread starter):
So it's the question on many people's lips right now, will Aer Lingus rejoin the Oneworld Alliance after stating last month it was looking into joining one of the three alliances.

I was speaking to the Gold Circle people (Aer Lingus' Frequent Flyer programme) last week and I asked if they had heard anything yet. Apparently they hadn't - but I said I hoped they'd rejoin oneworld and the agent said he did too   (that said, good customer service would be agreeing with the customer, so take that with a grain of salt!)

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 2):
Its more a case of would OW even entertain a application from EI to re join. I very much doubt they would, when there are some other carriers not yet in a alliance that would offer OW far more than EI every could.

Well, I wouldn't discount it too much. Considering they only left in 2007, it's not exactly like they will have to beg and plead to be let back in. The Aer Lingus business plan seems to be positioning Aer Lingus as more of a boutique airline at this stage, a bit like RJ - so I could see oneworld being fine with that.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 4):
When AB was added to one world a couple of weeks ago, they said they would not be concentrating on adding members from outwith Europe.

This is true, but oneworld not concentrating and EI shopping around are different things. I hope they rejoin oneworld - they should never have left in 2007.



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User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Despite Aer Lingus' size, it shouldn't be considered insignificant to an alliance network. Ireland is still a good size Market with many transfer pax.

I'm sure Oneworld would like them back, they didn't want them to leave when they did.

It was Aer Lingus that made the decision based on it's changing business model to a low cost hybrid.


User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

I wonder how Aer Lingus joining Oneworld would play out with regard to their JV with United between IAD and MAD.


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User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6371 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
They can offer flights to Ireland, because I do not believe that other members offer flights, or at least not as many as Aer Lingus, except maybe for BA. I am not sure however if OneWorld is looking to expand they seem to be doing well as it is, and I am not sure if BA will want them, but it may be better for BA too, so they will not have to compete.

British Airways does not operate to Ireland, it actually has an extensive code share agreement with Aer Lingus on Irish routes and has done for many years now. A reasonable chunk of British Airways revenue comes from the Irish routes so if anything British Airways would want to keep Aer Lingus on side and if they were to join an alliance I think British Airways would want it to be OneWorld rather than Star or SkyTeam.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6527 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting Reply 1):
Anything is possible, but as I have asked on the Irish threads several times, what does Aer Lingus offer to OneWorld or other alliance?
Quoting laxboeingman (Reply 3):
They can offer flights to Ireland, because I do not believe that other members offer flights, or at least not as many as Aer Lingus,

Well for starters, AA, DL,CO US all fly to Ireland from the US, and all are members of an alliance. Cannot see that Aer Lingus, would add anything to an alliance, that they not already have.


User currently offlineoneworld77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting BAfan (Reply 6):
It was Aer Lingus that made the decision based on it's changing business model to a low cost hybrid

That was only part of the issue, EI could not/would not fork out the £ and p (or Euro and cents!) to upgrade their archaic computer system to match that of the other OW carriers. IB began charging for catering and AA had already reduced it's inflight offering by then.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 8):
A reasonable chunk of British Airways revenue comes from the Irish routes so if anything British Airways would want to keep Aer Lingus on side and if they were to join an alliance I think British Airways would want it to be OneWorld

Not sure about a reasonable chunk of BA's revenue, but certainly the majority of Irish connex pax use LHR and 80% use BA, with AF and LH coming distance 3rd and 2nd.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 9):
Cannot see that Aer Lingus, would add anything to an alliance, that they not already have.

Hmm, 2m to 3m pax?? Yes, so many airlines would turn their noses up at that!!!! EI hub of DUB can offer a niche transfer point when the new terminal opens as it offers CBP preclearance for the US. The only city (with SNN) that offers this facility. However, to truly cash in on this, EI needs to up their game.

OW offered financial assistance to EI to defray the costs of the new 'pooter system, however, EI declined and on that basis I'm not so sure OW would want them back. On the other hand, AF codeshares with both JL and QF and EI codeshared (and still does?) with KL when they were in OW.
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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4282 times:

If they join an alliance it will be STAR ! They tie up with United and Codeshare ... so my bet is on STAR !


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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting Reply 10):
Not sure about a reasonable chunk of BA's revenue, but certainly the majority of Irish connex pax use LHR and 80% use BA, with AF and LH coming distance 3rd and 2nd.

According to the head of BA in Ireland his station was the only one in the British Isles that exceeded their targets and stressed how important the Irish market was to BA.

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 11):
. so my bet is on STAR !

Would be great for me as I use their shorthaul on a regular basis but I will believe it when I see it.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 4):
When AB was added to one world a couple of weeks ago, they said they would not be concentrating on adding members from outwith Europe.

Anyway, after AB has joined OW, there won't be that many airlines left outside an alliance in Europe, apart than FR and U2 and small legacies from Eastern and Southeast Europe...

Quoting BAfan (Reply 6):
It was Aer Lingus that made the decision based on it's changing business model to a low cost hybrid.

As far as I remember, EI found that OW membership induced more costs than benefits, and thence withdrew.

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 11):
If they join an alliance it will be STAR ! They tie up with United and Codeshare ... so my bet is on STAR !
Quoting oa260 (Reply 12):
Would be great for me as I use their shorthaul on a regular basis but I will believe it when I see it.

*A would indeed be a nice opportunity, but I am not sure whether EI could retain its current no-frills European product.

Perhaps I should postpone its choice until Ireland gets out of the GFC, as it would certainly have a better bargaining power.


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