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FlyDubai: Future LCC Of The Middle East  
User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

It appears that FlyDubai will be growing rather quickly over the next few years as it attempts to establish market presence before other LCC can take route.

What can we expect from it's future, and will it impact Emirates existing operations to some more local destinations?

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Which local destinations? EK and FZ will never have a domestic network, EK did serve Abu dhabi for a while as an online stopover for London flights. in the past.

May be FZ could get some Twin Otter sea planes to fly DXB-AUH commuter flights and link the World Islands with Dubai and the Palms.


User currently offlineBAfan From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

I thought FlyDubai's business plan was to operate to locations with a 5 hour flight time of DXB.

Surely this puts them in the path of Emirates on some routes?


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting BAfan (Reply 2):
Surely this puts them in the path of Emirates on some routes?

Why don't you look at where both FZ and EK fly? Presently, FZ flies to 10 of the same airports as EK (and flies to SAW verses EK's IST). In addition, FZ flies some routes that I cannot see EK operating, e.g. Erbil, Assuit, and Djibouti. FZ must surely actively target more price-elastic customers, i.e. those travelling for leisure, ethnic, and VFR reasons. Where FZ and EK operate the same routes, it appears that the government is just trying to gain a foothold, in the midst of increasing competition, in all passenger segments.

[Edited 2010-08-05 01:26:48]


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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (3 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

FZ's main role will be to link DXB with those secondary and tertiary markets on the Indian subcontinent. As well, the focus will be places in Africa like Djibouti, Mombassa, Alexandria etc. It won't compete directly on the EK trunk routes like Dubai-Mumbai/Delhi etc. The airline that does that is Air Arabia, from Sharjah.
FZ will take delivery of 45 more a/c. Now Air Arabia has more a/c on order but takes delivery of them at a rather leisurely pace. FZ already has 9 737s in the fleet, and once the have covered the more obvious markets, they'll either have to compete with EK or start getting creative. I'm talking about flying into Izmir+Ankara instead of IST, Thessaloniki instead of ATH etc. To what extent that will happen remains to be seen.


User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

The flyDubai business model doesn't seem to be like to other LCC's in the region or elsewhere for that matter.For starters they have a full Interline agreement with EK with connections of as little as 60mins available.Guessing the only other who offer this kind of service maybe Virgin Blue in Australia?

The current growth Rate is going to be tested by the current Terminal capacity at T2 which is already showing signs of strain especially in the morning/evening peaks.As of Dec 2010 it is planned that they will have exclusive use of this terminal which has only 6 gates and no construction in progress.


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
May be FZ could get some Twin Otter sea planes to fly DXB-AUH commuter flights and link the World Islands with Dubai and the Palms

Driving from the Palm Jumeirah to AUH takes around 1 hour, why would anybody need to fly that route?

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
What can we expect from it's future, and will it impact Emirates existing operations to some more local destinations?
Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
Which local destinations? EK and FZ will never have a domestic network, EK did serve Abu dhabi for a while as an online stopover for London flights. in the past.

I think he meant local to middle east. I also don't think there is no need/market for domestic routes within the U.A.E.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 6):
Driving from the Palm Jumeirah to AUH takes around 1 hour, why would anybody need to fly that route?

Perhaps as a tag on for connecting passengers to more directly compete with Etihad? Granted there are those shuttle bus services that EY does to AUH, but still. I'd imagine a 737NG would be a huge overkill on the route though.



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User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 7):
Perhaps as a tag on for connecting passengers to more directly compete with Etihad? Granted there are those shuttle bus services that EY does to AUH, but still. I'd imagine a 737NG would be a huge overkill on the route though

In my opinion a flight between AUH and DXB would be a waste of money, I beleive both EK and EY. I think people will rather drive or take the shuttle bus than take a flight that short.

Quoting LEEDS19 (Reply 5):
The current growth Rate is going to be tested by the current Terminal capacity at T2 which is already showing signs of strain especially in the morning/evening peaks.As of Dec 2010 it is planned that they will have exclusive use of this terminal which has only 6 gates and no construction in progress.

I believe that in a few years FZ will move to the new jebel ali airport.

Quoting directorguy (Reply 4):
FZ's main role will be to link DXB with those secondary and tertiary markets on the Indian subcontinent. As well, the focus will be places in Africa like Djibouti, Mombassa, Alexandria etc

FZ will focus on cities where there is no need for a full service airline like EK. Some destinations will be served by both, yes, however the market will be completly different.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 8):
In my opinion a flight between AUH and DXB would be a waste of money, I beleive both EK and EY. I think people will rather drive or take the shuttle bus than take a flight that short.

I believe that economically AUH-DXB flights aren't feasible either. It would also be a mess; EY and EK would be engaging in useless fare wars that would do nothing but drive down yields. I remember back when GF had DXB-AUH; they were more convenient than say, driving down to AUH from Dubai, but I doubt they made much economic sense.
The only emirate that might find flights to AUH and DXB useful is RKT-it's further away. WY serves MCT-RKT with ATR-72s I believe, which is about right.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2923 times:

There was a commuter airline setup called Emirates Link that were flying Cessna Caravan sea planes DXB-AUH city centre v.v looked like a good idea how come it failed? could FZ do that?

Will FZ also take over former EK station Bandar Abbas?


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):
could FZ do that?

FZ is meant to be a LCC. Why the hell would it want to operate seaplanes?



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Isnt Air Taxi service also low cost? maybe they could also have a domestic network with that.

User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):
There was a commuter airline setup called Emirates Link that were flying Cessna Caravan sea planes DXB-AUH city centre v.v looked like a good idea how come it failed? could FZ do that?

How much it would cost a ticket between DXB-AUH??? My guess is that more than $100 USD. Why would somebody want to spend that amount of money, when you can get from DXB-AUH in 2 hours in a bus that costs $7 USD, or in 1.5 hrs in your car???

What FZ should do to get pax from AUH and other Emirates is to have a shuttle bus, something similiar to what Air Arabia and Etihad do.


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2816 times:
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Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 13):
How much it would cost a ticket between DXB-AUH??? My guess is that more than $100 USD. Why would somebody want to spend that amount of money, when you can get from DXB-AUH in 2 hours in a bus that costs $7 USD, or in 1.5 hrs in your car???

If I just got off a 12 hour flight JFK-DXB I'm not sure I would want to then drive 2 hours to AUH (assuming AUH was my final destination, and I flew EK vs EY). Perhaps EK or EY could offer helicopter service between the two cities/airports?


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 14):
If I just got off a 12 hour flight JFK-DXB I'm not sure I would want to then drive 2 hours to AUH (assuming AUH was my final destination, and I flew EK vs EY). Perhaps EK or EY could offer helicopter service between the two cities/airports?

I dont think that there is a market to justify an helicopter or seaplane from DXB-AUH. This service would be only for very premium passengers to justify the costs.

I fly between U.S/Mexico and UAE at least 3 times a year. I live 5 minutes away from AUH and if for any reason I fly to DXB either I drive from home, or stay 1 night in Dubai, before heading home.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Isnt the UAE also going to get railway soon?

User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 6):
Driving from the Palm Jumeirah to AUH takes around 1 hour, why would anybody need to fly that route?

Sometimes it is better to drive to AUH than DXB, especially in rush hours 
Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
Isnt the UAE also going to get railway soon?

The railway in its final stages of studies and designing,

As per flight within UAE, i think flights from FUJ to AUH & DXB would be nice and lucrative.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting LEEDS19 (Reply 5):
The current growth Rate is going to be tested by the current Terminal capacity at T2 which is already showing signs of strain especially in the morning/evening peaks.As of Dec 2010 it is planned that they will have exclusive use of this terminal which has only 6 gates and no construction in progress.

Any plans for a dedicated Metro station at T2 by the way?

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 8):
In my opinion a flight between AUH and DXB would be a waste of money, I beleive both EK and EY. I think people will rather drive or take the shuttle bus than take a flight that short.
Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 13):
How much it would cost a ticket between DXB-AUH??? My guess is that more than $100 USD. Why would somebody want to spend that amount of money, when you can get from DXB-AUH in 2 hours in a bus that costs $7 USD, or in 1.5 hrs in your car???

Agreed.

However, the current coach services should be revamped, with 1st-class services and some extensions to DXB itself.
Al-Guhaiba coach station is quite remote from DXB, and even when the Green Line is completed, one will still have to change Metro lines when travelling DXB-Al Guhaiba.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 17):
The railway in its final stages of studies and designing,

Indeed, but the Gulf/Union Railway will not be fully completed and used by passanger services before 2017.

Until then, it will be a freight-only railway, extended in stages in 2013-2017 from the Southwest to the Northeast of the UAE, as far as I understand.

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
As per flight within UAE, i think flights from FUJ to AUH & DXB would be nice and lucrative.

Didn't GF operate some flights on AUH-FUJ and AUH-RKT?


User currently offlineff22DXB From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 17):
Sometimes it is better to drive to AUH than DXB, especially in rush hours 

Indeed.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 17):
The railway in its final stages of studies and designing,

At least 5 more years till we can see a railway between Abu Dhabi and Dubai.

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 17):
As per flight within UAE, i think flights from FUJ to AUH & DXB would be nice and lucrative.

I don't agree here. I think that there is not enough market nowadays to support any flight between any of the emirates.
Who would pay an airline fare of EK or EY to FUJ, when you can drive 2 hours, at the end is mostly leisure traffic.


User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting ff22DXB (Reply 19):
I don't agree here. I think that there is not enough market nowadays to support any flight between any of the emirates.
Who would pay an airline fare of EK or EY to FUJ, when you can drive 2 hours, at the end is mostly leisure traffic.

I believe that if such flights operated, the troops who work for the army will be happy to use it. A 50 to 75 seater jet will operate perfectly between the capital and the other coast of the country.
I my self would prefer to fly to FUJ for a weekend better than driving and get stuck in the horrible traffic jam.


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