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User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 928 times:


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Why is this JAL 747 configured with a long upper flight deck like the 743 and 744 but it really is a 741? Was this used for short, high passenger routes? Do any other airlines have this? Thanks!

Airbus380

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User currently offline747Specialist From Switzerland, joined Apr 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 851 times:

These are the only 2 747-100s with a SUD conversion.
They are used on domestic routes.



User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 840 times:


Hi there,

Those 747-100 SR's were retrofitted for JAL and ANA for near-max capacity. Boeing offered the retrofit after the -300 came onto the market.

Thornton


User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 938 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 819 times:

No. This is not correct.

Both JAL 747-146B were built with stretched upper deck. Hence the B notation.

Making it the only 2 -100 in the world that was built with stretch upper deck. The rest were retro fitted later on.


User currently offlineFBWless From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 805 times:

Still not correct... The 'B' designation on these 741's does not mean the SUD conversion. Saudia also has 741B's and they don't have SUD.


User currently offlineTanguy From Australia, joined Sep 1999, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 802 times:

This is very interesting. I had no idea that JAL had any of their B741s converted to EUDs (In Australia we refer to the 743 and 744 models as Extended Upper Deck a/c, reason being someone pointed out that in medical terminology SUD stands for Sudden Unexplained Death! But I digress.)
I recall a pictorial in some aviation mag years ago about the EUD mod being made to some KLM B742s and didn't think or know of any other carriers doing the same with theirs. It doesn't surprise me however to discover that a Japanese carrier made use of this option. I flew on an ANA B742 (with the standard 'bubble top') several years ago and was told by one of the crew that the plane carried over 500 pax in an all Y/C configuration! That blew me away at the time!
Thanks Airbus380 for an interesting topic!


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 788 times:

When I saw this topic,I remembered seeing this in one of my books. I found it!! In 'Jetliner History' Boeing 747 Desigh and Development from 1969. It says that 'In 1985 JAL ordered 2 747-100B's with the stretched upper deck designated as a -100B(SR/SUD).It seats 25 business and 538 economy'.


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 774 times:

Just for the record. 2 JAL -100s were converted to the SUD configuration, along with 10 KLM -200s. 2 of the KLM have since been converted to freighters


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 768 times:

are the KLM ones that got converted flying as 741's or 743's?

User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 763 times:

KLM are 742s. Refered to in schedules as 747/SUD


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 765 times:

Pretty interesting topic. After looking through Bill Harm's the only other carriers to have the SUD coversion done were KLM, who had all of their GE powered 742 converted, and Air France (presumably these were ex-UTA planes) who has 2 747-2B3-SUDs. The JAL 747SR-146B-SUDs are JA8170 and JA8176... both delivered in 1986, which has to make them the younger 747-100s out there.


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User currently offlineFBWless From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 755 times:

On their home page, KLM claim that their 742 SUDs are 743s.

User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 748 times:

thats what I thought. are they combis?


User currently offlineYOERI1970 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 748 times:

2 of them are converted to freighters, two are all pax and 8 are combi's.


User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 740 times:

I have seen one of the B743 freighters.The plane still has the passenger windows.

GUNDU


User currently offlineYOERI1970 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 732 times:

Yes it does, but they are mostly covered up.
The upper deck has windows for the crew.

But does it really matter ? Not really.
Atlas also has former pax planes converted to freighters and there are still windows visible there....so.


User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 734 times:

KLM now owns two 206SUD freighters, five 206SUD combi's and two 206SUD pax, the third, PH-BUP, was just shipped it to MHV May 1st.

User currently offlineYOERI1970 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 728 times:

This is what I know and have seen recently on amsterdam airport.

PHBUH Converted to freighter
PHBUI Converted to freighter

PHBUM 747-206SUD/SCD
PHBUN 747-206SUD/SCD
PHBUO 747-206SUD
PHBUR 747-206SUD
PHBUT 747-206SUD/SCD
PHBUU 747-306SCD
PHBUV 747-306SCD
PHBUW 747-306SCD

2 freighters, 6 combi, 2 all pax.




User currently offline747Specialist From Switzerland, joined Apr 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 725 times:

The SUD conversion was ordered by 3 airlines: KLM (10x 747-206Bs converted), UTA (2x 747-2B3Bs converted) and JAL (2x 747-146Bs converted), making a total of 14 747-100/200S converted to SUD.
It's interesting to note the history of KLM's PH-BUH and BUI. Born as regular's 747-206Bs, they were converted to SUD, and then to Freighters SD...making them the only SUD and Freighter converted 747s.
Someone said here that the JAL's aircrafts were produced new with the SUD, my information tells that the jumbos were latter converted, can someone confirm this?



User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 724 times:

I miss the two other combi's

PHBUK 747-206SUD/SCD
PHBUL 747-206SUD/SCD

Although they were bound to retire last december, They're still around.


User currently offlineYOERI1970 From Netherlands, joined Feb 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 724 times:

Ì haven't seen them in a while, so I think they have been retired. But I will see if I can get that confirmed

User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 726 times:

I believe I saw PH-BUL on the H apron last week. I'll check.

User currently offlineVunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (12 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 717 times:

Just found it.

PH-BUK arrived yesterday at AMS as KL0612 from ORD and departs tomorrow as KL0605 for SFO

PH-BUL arrived this morning at AMS as KL0612 from ORD and departed this afternoon as KL0873 for BOM

So they're still around.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 696 times:

Just for the record. The PH-BUL and the PH-BUK haven't been retired because KLM has retired the PH-BUP and the PH-BUR will be retired at the end of the summer schedule. Moreover, KLM seems to have some difficulties in selling both the BUK and the BUL as they are old and have a lot of flying hours and cycles.

Regards
Laurens


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