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Is The New Ozark Airlines Still In Service?  
User currently offlineB777UA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Does anyone know if the new Ozark Airlines is still inservice, if not will it start back up etc......

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

The one with 328 Jets? I think that they only lasted a few weeks after changing their name to Great Plains, if that.


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):


The one with 328 Jets? I think that they only lasted a few weeks after changing their name to Great Plains, if that.

The Ozark II/Great Plains saga lasted around 3-4 years give or take, but they are definately defunct now.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
The Ozark II/Great Plains saga lasted around 3-4 years give or take, but they are definately defunct now

I think it was only a few weeks after they changed their name to Great Plains, but you're right that Ozark was around for a little while.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I think it was only a few weeks after they changed their name to Great Plains

No, Great Plains was definitely at least couple years as that name, and painted as such. I recall them flying into COS and Oklahoma.
-Rampart


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

I think the days of true regional airlines such as North Central, Ozark, PSA are gone for good. They have been replaced by the express carriers with regional jets. But with the larger regionals it was nice that you could have a mainline type of a/c into smaller cities. (DC-9's, 727's, etc.).


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 4):
No, Great Plains was definitely at least couple years as that name, and painted as such. I recall them flying into COS and Oklahoma.

Was it really? I was pretty young at the time, but I remember seeing something about their startup, and then they fell off the face of the earth.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

..and they've been gone..? What, 8 years or so...


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4878 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):


I think it was only a few weeks after they changed their name to Great Plains

I think Great Plains was a couple of years maybe. They bought Ozark II which was operating MDW-COU-JLN-DFW, and reoriented the route system to serve BNA-TUL-OKC-ABQ and later a COS segment. Later on they bought some D328 props to operate from BLV to MDW (I think) and IAD with the jets. It wasn't long after that debacle they shut down.



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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 8):
I think Great Plains was a couple of years maybe


roughly 2001-2004

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
The one with 328 Jets?


PW306 turbofan adapted to a turboprop frame. Not the best combination of efficiency, straight wing with turbofan. There were issues and AD's for the PW306 that kept the jets grounded. Hence the lease of 328 props to cover the routes or simply put 2 aircraft for everyone flying.

The state of Oklahoma issued massive "tax credits" to Great Plains, obviously you do not need very many tax credits if you do not make a profit. However they were transferable and Great Plains sold the credits for operating capital for 50 cents or so on the dollar. So the when the credits ran out, and you had your jets sitting in a hanger on AD's and having to lease substitute aircraft it went Tango Uniform pretty quick.

Okie


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 9):
PW306 turbofan adapted to a turboprop frame. Not the best combination of efficiency, straight wing with turbofan.

Not for airlines, but they seem to have found a pretty nice niche as corporate aircraft.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Was it really? I was pretty young at the time, but I remember seeing something about their startup, and then they fell off the face of the earth.

Well, they fell off the face of the earth in Missouri and Illinois, if that's your frame of reference, morphing into Great Plains.

Anyone know, didn't Great Plains have a connection with Gaylord Entertainment? Gaylord were based in Nashville, with roots in Oklahoma, and owned hotels in Nashville (and Opryland) and Colorado Springs, so that would explain the shift to the Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Colorado cities. Gaylord also had an interest in Western Pacific for a time.

And some vague memory thinks that the 358Jets were taken by another brief startup, perhaps based in Texas? Or perhaps did they go to Skyways?

-Rampart


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 11):
Anyone know, didn't Great Plains have a connection with Gaylord Entertainment?


It was not Gaylord, but someone out of TUL
Just remember the dot com bubble burst, and 9-11 happened during/shortly after their inception.

Great Plains tried desperate measures to find routes with enough passengers, they did not have time to let them develop.
There would be constant adverts and press releases to some destination or another but by the time you would try to book a ticket that destination would be dropped. It was like destinations of the month.

Okie


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 11):
And some vague memory thinks that the 358Jets were taken by another brief startup, perhaps based in Texas?

Maybe you're thinking of Lone Star Airlines/Aspen Mountain Air....

edit: Lone Star operated the 328 turboprop, not the 328Jet

[Edited 2010-08-06 21:18:31]

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting B595 (Reply 13):

Maybe you're thinking of Lone Star Airlines/Aspen Mountain Air....

edit: Lone Star operated the 328 turboprop, not the 328Jet

I probably was, but they were like 10 years prior. I think.

Quoting okie (Reply 12):
It was not Gaylord, but someone out of TUL

I recall the Tulsa ownership. But, I also thought Gaylord was involved, too (a shareholder, perhaps?), which also jives with the choice of cities and Gaylord's previous interest in airlines. But both the Tulsa owner and Gaylord were newspaper/media types... would competing media moguls both throw weight behind a starting airline? I'm not sure, now.

-Rampart


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