type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4714 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5101 times:
I think the days of true regional airlines such as North Central, Ozark, PSA are gone for good. They have been replaced by the express carriers with regional jets. But with the larger regionals it was nice that you could have a mainline type of a/c into smaller cities. (DC-9's, 727's, etc.).
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
I think it was only a few weeks after they changed their name to Great Plains
I think Great Plains was a couple of years maybe. They bought Ozark II which was operating MDW-COU-JLN-DFW, and reoriented the route system to serve BNA-TUL-OKC-ABQ and later a COS segment. Later on they bought some D328 props to operate from BLV to MDW (I think) and IAD with the jets. It wasn't long after that debacle they shut down.
Ozark Flies Your Way, Coast To Coast and Border To Border
PW306 turbofan adapted to a turboprop frame. Not the best combination of efficiency, straight wing with turbofan. There were issues and AD's for the PW306 that kept the jets grounded. Hence the lease of 328 props to cover the routes or simply put 2 aircraft for everyone flying.
The state of Oklahoma issued massive "tax credits" to Great Plains, obviously you do not need very many tax credits if you do not make a profit. However they were transferable and Great Plains sold the credits for operating capital for 50 cents or so on the dollar. So the when the credits ran out, and you had your jets sitting in a hanger on AD's and having to lease substitute aircraft it went Tango Uniform pretty quick.
rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3015 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4044 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6): Was it really? I was pretty young at the time, but I remember seeing something about their startup, and then they fell off the face of the earth.
Well, they fell off the face of the earth in Missouri and Illinois, if that's your frame of reference, morphing into Great Plains.
Anyone know, didn't Great Plains have a connection with Gaylord Entertainment? Gaylord were based in Nashville, with roots in Oklahoma, and owned hotels in Nashville (and Opryland) and Colorado Springs, so that would explain the shift to the Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Colorado cities. Gaylord also had an interest in Western Pacific for a time.
And some vague memory thinks that the 358Jets were taken by another brief startup, perhaps based in Texas? Or perhaps did they go to Skyways?
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2709 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
Quoting rampart (Reply 11): Anyone know, didn't Great Plains have a connection with Gaylord Entertainment?
It was not Gaylord, but someone out of TUL
Just remember the dot com bubble burst, and 9-11 happened during/shortly after their inception.
Great Plains tried desperate measures to find routes with enough passengers, they did not have time to let them develop.
There would be constant adverts and press releases to some destination or another but by the time you would try to book a ticket that destination would be dropped. It was like destinations of the month.
rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3015 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3807 times:
Quoting B595 (Reply 13):
Maybe you're thinking of Lone Star Airlines/Aspen Mountain Air....
edit: Lone Star operated the 328 turboprop, not the 328Jet
I probably was, but they were like 10 years prior. I think.
Quoting okie (Reply 12): It was not Gaylord, but someone out of TUL
I recall the Tulsa ownership. But, I also thought Gaylord was involved, too (a shareholder, perhaps?), which also jives with the choice of cities and Gaylord's previous interest in airlines. But both the Tulsa owner and Gaylord were newspaper/media types... would competing media moguls both throw weight behind a starting airline? I'm not sure, now.