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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21891 times:
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For the 32nd edition of our thread..We feature Dutch carrier, Arkefly...

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Arkefly is a Dutch airline headquartered on the grounds of Amsterdam Airport Schiphol in Haarlemmermeer, Netherlands. It is the charter carrier of the Dutch arm of TUI and its main base is Amsterdam Schiphol Airport.[ It carries out regular and chartered flights, although most of the chartered flights are operated for the Dutch tour operator Arke. It operates to destinations in the Mediterranean, Red Sea, Caribbean, Canary Islands, Scandinavia, Africa, Asia, Brazil and the Netherlands Antilles.


Arkefly traces its roots to Air Holland, which was founded in 1981. After financial problems Air Holland was taken over by the Exel Aviation Group and took a new start as HollandExel in March 2004. In May 2005 the Exel Aviation Group was declared bankrupt. The TUI Group took over the airline's activities and renamed it Arkefly. It is now wholly owned by the TUI Group. Its name was based on the biggest Dutch tour operator, Arke, which is also a subsidiary of the TUI Group. The newly reorganized airline operated its first flight in September 2005.

Operations in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles, began on 15 July 2004 as DutchCaribbeanExel, which was originally part of the Exel Aviation Group, but was later taken over, together with parent airline, HollandExel, by TUI Nederland, and renamed Arkefly Curaçao.[3] Arkefly began weekly flights to St. Maarten from Amsterdam on December 2, 2007, but discontinued this service in November 2008. TUI Nederland holds that flights may resume if the volume of tourists travelling to St. Maarten increases.

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Arkefly destinations:

Kenya
Mombasa - Moi International Airport

Hurghada - Hurghada Airport
Luxor - Luxor International Airport
Sharm el-Sheikh - Sharm el-Sheikh International Airport

Essaouira - Mogador Airport [begins 27 October] charter only

Djerba - Djerba Airport
Monastir - Monastir International Airport

Cape Verde
Sal - Amilcar Cabral Airport
Boa Vista - Rabil Airport
Gambia
Banjul - Banjul International Airport


Oranjestad - Queen Beatrix International Airport

Holguin - Frank País Airport
Varadero - Juan Gualberto Gómez Airport

Puerto Plata - Gregorio Luperón International Airport
Punta Cana - Punta Cana International Airport

Montego Bay - Sangster International Airport

Bonaire - Flamingo International Airport
Curacao - Hato International Airport
St. Maarten - Princess Juliana International Airport

Canada
Toronto - Toronto Pearson Airport

Cancún - Cancún International Airport

Fortaleza - Pinto Martins International Airport
João Pessoa - Presidente Castro Pinto International Airport [seasonal]
Natal - Augusto Severo International Airport

Kathmandu - Tribhuvan International Airport

Larnaca - Larnaca Airport
Paphos - Paphos Airport

Aqaba - Aqaba Airport

Burgas - Bourgas Airport

Kittila - Kittila Airport
Rovaniemi - Rovaniemi Airport

Chania - Chania International Airport
Corfu - Ioannis Kapodistrias Airport
Heraklion - Heraklion International Airport
Karpathos - Karpathos Island National Airport
Kos - Kos Airport
Kefalonia - Kefalonia Island International Airport
Mytilene - Mytilene International Airport
Mykonos - Mykonos Airport
Rhodes - Diagoras Airport
Samos - Samos International Airport
Santorini - Santorini Airport
Zakynthos - Zakynthos International Airport

Amsterdam - Amsterdam Airport Schiphol Base

Faro - Faro Airport
Funchal - Madeira Airport
São Miguel - João Paulo II Airport
Terceira - Lajes Airport

Barcelona - Barcelona Airport
Fuerteventura - El Matorral Airport
Lanzarote - Arrecife Airport
Las Palmas de Gran Canaria - Gran Canaria Airport
Malaga - Malaga Airport
Minorca - Menorca Airport
Palma de Mallorca - Palma de Mallorca Airport
Tenerife
Tenerife North Airport (Los Rodeos)
Tenerife South Airport (Reina Sofia)

Antalya - Antalya Airport
Bodrum - Bodrum Airport
Dalaman - Dalaman Airport
Kayseri - Erkilet Airport
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Fleet:
Boeing 737-800 5 2 180 (0/84/96) 2 Leased from Miami Air International
Boeing 767-300ER 3 3 272 (12/95/165) Replacement for the 3 older 767-300ER, with AVOD
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Arkefly currently serves MBJ every Thursday, linking the resort city with AMS..
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Other Aviation Updates:

Boeing 737-800 has been selected as replacement aircraft for JM..FAs training will start shortly..
As per Mike Henry, a new carrier linking Jamaica and Asia via MAD was launched at a dinner in Hong Kong...Jamaica Airways Cargo 2010 will utilize a B747..The first flight is expected at the end of September..

Other updates can be found in the old thread...
Insel To Town...Jamaican Thread 31... (by hummingbird Jul 6 2010 in Civil Aviation)

Happy 48th Independence..

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[Edited 2010-08-06 19:02:06]


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21907 times:

Nice story about Arkefly. They are doing quite well on the CUR route. Currently we have 5 weekly flights, including 2 on fridays. Besides that we get 4 weekly flights from Martinair and daily KLM service with the 747-400. Other than that we now also have Blue Panorama Airlines with a weekly flight from Milan.

A388


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21797 times:

We'll headed for your fine island tomorrow...a week of all work...no pleasure!


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User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 21744 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
Nice story about Arkefly. They are doing quite well on the CUR route. Currently we have 5 weekly flights, including 2 on fridays. Besides that we get 4 weekly flights from Martinair and daily KLM service with the 747-400. Other than that we now also have Blue Panorama Airlines with a weekly flight from Milan.
A388

Are these flights from Holland filled with tourists??..I know CUR has strong cultural ties to Holland, but is the VFR market large enough to support these flights??

MP once served MBJ....They started with a Thur weekly service then switched to Sun......The service was needed as there was growing commercial link between Jamaica and Holland and most Dutch frequented Jamaica for sun, sand and 'that herb"...I can't tell how many pax were caught trying to take this "herb" back home...

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
We'll headed for your fine island tomorrow...a week of all work...no pleasure!

Working on a air link to BZE??

Well I got caught again by high fares..I was forced to book a seat for a friend who will travel on AA on Monday and return to MBJ on Tues....The routing MBJ-MIA-MBJ had a cost of US $514....



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 21731 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
For the 32nd edition of our thread..We feature Dutch carrier, Arkefly.

I observe that those OR aircraft have quite a number of variations to their livery.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
MP once served MBJ....They started with a Thur weekly service then switched to Sun..

I remember those days. Wonder if we will ever see them back in the '' Bay '' again ?

Quoting A388 (Reply 1):
hey are doing quite well on the CUR route. Currently we have 5 weekly flights, including 2 on fridays. Besides that we get 4 weekly flights from Martinair and daily KLM service with the 747-400.
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
Are these flights from Holland filled with tourists??..I know CUR has strong cultural ties to Holland, but is the VFR market large enough to support these flights??

Wasn't aware that there were so many frequencies between KL and OR from AMS to CUR either though the historic ties between Curacao and Holland is quite obvious. Daily KL B744. Quite impressive. I assume some of their flights operate via SXM ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
Well I got caught again by high fares..I was forced to book a seat for a friend who will travel on AA on Monday and return to MBJ on Tues....The routing MBJ-MIA-MBJ had a cost of US $514....

Add $ 177 to that fare and I could get a ticket on JM from KIN to YYZ.



greenheart
User currently offlinemorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 21697 times:

I am going to fly with them in September this year to Antalya. It will be mine first time with Arkefly but I have my hopes up it will be the best charter flight I've ever had.

Nice post, nice to read some information!



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21653 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4):
I observe that those OR aircraft have quite a number of variations to their livery.

Quite interesting indeed..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4):
I remember those days. Wonder if we will ever see them back in the '' Bay '' again ?

Unfortunately, we will not see MP in MBJ....I heard they have changed their focus to the cargo market...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4):
Add $ 177 to that fare and I could get a ticket on JM from KIN to YYZ.

I just booked my vacation to SAN for the end of this month....The total cost per person is $306...I mixed the carriers in an effort to have a diverse fleet....The outbound will be DL MD88 to ATL, then then B757 to SAN..On the return, CO B739 to IAH and the B738 to FLL.....

Quoting morvious (Reply 5):
I am going to fly with them in September this year to Antalya. It will be mine first time with Arkefly but I have my hopes up it will be the best charter flight I've ever had.

Nice post, nice to read some information!

Thanks..Hope you enjoy your vacation...



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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 21561 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Thread starter):
We feature Dutch carrier, Arkefly...

Hope to see them in SXM later this year


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 21490 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 3):
Are these flights from Holland filled with tourists??..I know CUR has strong cultural ties to Holland, but is the VFR market large enough to support these flights??

These flights are filled with both tourists and VFR. There's also a significant amount of business travelers on this route as well as KL's business class is overbooked as well most of the time. There's a large VFR market to CUR from AMS as there are many Antilleans living in the Netherlands but there are also a lot of Dutch people living in CUR who have their relatives and friends visiting CUR and the other way around.

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 4):
Wasn't aware that there were so many frequencies between KL and OR from AMS to CUR either though the historic ties between Curacao and Holland is quite obvious. Daily KL B744. Quite impressive. I assume some of their flights operate via SXM ?

True, two of the KL flights are routed via SXM and two are routed via AUA. The remaining flights are nonstop. Even so, most of KL's traffic is going to CUR.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 7):
Hope to see them in SXM later this year

I don't know if Arkefly will fly to SXM again as they have tried the route before but it was stopped due to unsatisfactory loads. But who knows, maybe they will try it again in the future.

Talking about Arkefly. One of my latest photos on airliners.net has Arkefly in the background. See my photo in below link:


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A nice line-up of a variety of aircraft and airlines!!! Hope you like it  

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 21425 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):

Was in St Maarten/St Martin two weeks ago. Packed with tourists from the USA, France and other parts of the Caribbean (loads of Trinis and Kittitians, and others). Dont recall too much evidence of Dutch tourists. I also wonder with SXMs notorious runway (I actually saw the 747 land, it glided in) I can imagine that flight isnt to capacity.

Was at the airport the prevoius day seeing off my brother and I saw passengers checking in for Air Caraibe's Paris flight. A good mix of "locals" and metro French (wwithin either group I am sure were French Antilleans and Haitians as well).

[Edited 2010-08-08 14:47:39]

User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21310 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
These flights are filled with both tourists and VFR. There's also a significant amount of business travelers on this route as well as KL's business class is overbooked as well most of the time. There's a large VFR market to CUR from AMS as there are many Antilleans living in the Netherlands but there are also a lot of Dutch people living in CUR who have their relatives and friends visiting CUR and the other way around.

Thanks....Looks like despite the tourist traffic, the route is highly lucrative for KL, MP and Arkelfy...

Quite an interesting article about how the new Open Skies Agreement will affect smaller Jamaican carriers...

Quote:
THE ONLY Jamaican-owned airline left in the regional market, Airways International, says "overnight, full-freedom, open-skies" agreements will cripple the local aviation business.

While conceding that the opening up of highly developed, heavily trafficked routes would benefit passengers, Read argues that similar access privileges to less developed, or 'immature', routes could destroy small airlines.

"In the case of an immature market, as is the case with CARICOM, what open skies can do is create an oversupply that a small Jamaican company could not compete successfully in," he explained.

Read recently announced that his Jamaica Air Shuttle, which currently flies between Montego Bay and Kingston, will expand service to Haiti and Cayman Brac, the Cayman Islands.

Bleak future

But the aviation expert sees his business folding under competition from larger airlines that could afford to subsidise routes for up to three years before making a profit.

He said with the 'Fifth Freedom of the Air', a convention of open-sky agreements, that is being touted, "A large carrier could come in here, subsidise any route that it chooses and effectively block a Jamaican operator from competing on the route."

The Fifth Freedom of the Air allows the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international services, granted by one state to another, to put down and take on, in the territory of the first state, traffic coming from or destined to a third state (also known as Fifth Freedom Right).

Read favours the Third and Fourth Freedom of the Air, which currently allow Jamaicans to fly to, drop off and pick up passengers from another sovereign country.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20100809/lead/lead6.html



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21290 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 9):
Was in St Maarten/St Martin two weeks ago. Packed with tourists from the USA, France and other parts of the Caribbean (loads of Trinis and Kittitians, and others). Dont recall too much evidence of Dutch tourists. I also wonder with SXMs notorious runway (I actually saw the 747 land, it glided in) I can imagine that flight isnt to capacity.

I don't know much about Dutch tourism in SXM but most Dutch people I know are not that impressed with SXM and find it too much American oriented but of course that is not all Dutch people so I really don't know how popular SXM is among Dutch people. KL still flies to SXM so something must be working for them.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Thanks....Looks like despite the tourist traffic, the route is highly lucrative for KL, MP and Arkelfy...

I think they are all making decent money on the AMS route, yes.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1538 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21197 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):

I have actually heard that Dutch tourists prefer Curacao among the Dutch Caribbean islands. Not all of St Maarten/St Martin is the Quiznos, Pizza Hut, etc that Simpsons Bay represents. I can see why that side mightnt appeal to them though.

Problem is that the French side is more expensive and quieter. But then folks can stay on the Fr side and party on the Dutch side at night, and shop there too if they wish. The French side reminded me of the southern part of St KItts, except of course for large numbers of Metro French people and the infamous nude beach.

I dont know how much business KL does because I didnt see too many people checking in. I guess mainly govt officials and a few otehrs. I dont get the impression that the locals on the Dutch side are too interested in the Netherlands. I heard more about trips to NYC and MIA.

IMHO opinion St Maarten/St Martin is actually a part of CARICOM plus the V.I. (a mix of the Virgin Islands and the Leeward Islands). Only the heavy handedness of French officialdom, with their insistence that the locals speak French even though its a second language for them, and the arrival of KLM makes you realize that it isnt. St Maarteners speak like people from St Croix, you know a V.I. accent with that slight Bajan twang.

Of course I have a LIAT story which is just like all the other LIAT stories so I wont bore people. Needless to say it involved delayed flights, ground crews who didnt know what was going on. Nio fault of theirs and they were quite nice considering the rage that we passemngers put them through. Too bad LIAT management has no respect for their ground crews or for those who work for their handling agents.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21188 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):
I just booked my vacation to SAN for the end of this month....The total cost per person is $306

Quite a contrast there to that AA fare from MBJ-MIA, and look at the distance from Florida to California, though I am fully aware that there are several other factors that affect ticket prices other than just the distance being flown, such as season, time of purchase, class, available seats etc.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 6):
.I mixed the carriers in an effort to have a diverse fleet....The outbound will be DL MD88 to ATL, then then B757 to SAN..On the return, CO B739 to IAH and the B738 to FLL.....

That is a great way to experience different aircraft types and also to traverse different airports/cities.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
A nice line-up of a variety of aircraft and airlines!!! Hope you like it

Great line up there at CUR. BV's B767 looking good.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 10):
Quite an interesting article about how the new Open Skies Agreement will affect smaller Jamaican carriers...

I understand the concerns of Mr. Read, but I have to agree with Mr. Mike Henry. Smaller carriers should get creative and forge code shares and other mutual agreements, with these larger carriers to take advantage of the Open Skies Agreement, rather than just viewing it as a threat to their operations. Why not try to turn their disadvantage into an advantage where both carriers, and the traveling public would all benefit ?

[Edited 2010-08-09 15:07:27]


greenheart
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 21095 times:

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 13):
Great line up there at CUR. BV's B767 looking good.

Thanks AirJamaica, I have another airport overview of CUR that has just been added:



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Cheers my friends.

A388  


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 21027 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 13):
Quite a contrast there to that AA fare from MBJ-MIA, and look at the distance from Florida to California, though I am fully aware that there are several other factors that affect ticket prices other than just the distance being flown, such as season, time of purchase, class, available seats etc.

Quite a steal indeed.....I was offered AA and F9 as other options...AA's fleet on the route was not impressive...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 13):
That is a great way to experience different aircraft types and also to traverse different airports/cities

Am planning to do a TR...

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 13):
I understand the concerns of Mr. Read, but I have to agree with Mr. Mike Henry. Smaller carriers should get creative and forge code shares and other mutual agreements, with these larger carriers to take advantage of the Open Skies Agreement, rather than just viewing it as a threat to their operations. Why not try to turn their disadvantage into an advantage where both carriers, and the traveling public would all benefit ?

I agree....Perhaps they can start offering connectionsto Negril, Boscobel...This would be a boost to the tousrism industry in these areas...

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Thanks AirJamaica, I have another airport overview of CUR that has just been added:

Nice pics..The jetbride seems a bit long...


Rumour from MBJ is Swissport is heading to town..I wonder what effect their entrance will have on Jamaica Dispatch and Ajas Ltd.....



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20979 times:

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 15):
Nice pics..The jetbride seems a bit long...

It's not that long, the photo angle might give you that impression  

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 20965 times:
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Came across this video on youtube that showcases JM014 from JFK-KIN..

Take a look at those cabin bags...My frined told me JFK pax are notorious for carrying 3-4 bags per pax....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv_lA0hR-g

Other videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzk7U96JVIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU2hAzqoERs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lItINo39u3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0xxmvcqBGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0xxmvcqBGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHNUe94Gu0&feature=channel

Quoting A388 (Reply 16):
It's not that long, the photo angle might give you that impression

Thanks..The bridge at JFK in the video I posted above is indeed long...



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20921 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 14):
Thanks AirJamaica, I have another airport overview of CUR that has just been added:

Cool night shot as well.

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 15):
Rumour from MBJ is Swissport is heading to town..I wonder what effect their entrance will have on Jamaica Dispatch and Ajas Ltd.....

AA use their services at KIN right ?

Quoting hummingbird (Reply 17):
Came across this video on youtube that showcases JM014 from JFK-KIN..
Take a look at those cabin bags...My frined told me JFK pax are notorious for carrying 3-4 bags per pax....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv_l...0hR-g

That is the same gate we used for boarding when I flew JM 018 a few weeks ago. That taxi out to the holding point for the departure runway seem quite long.



greenheart
User currently offlineChrisCruise From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20901 times:

Hi all,

Very nice update! I flew with ArkeFly into Montego Bay October 2009. Unfortunately it was already dark as we had some serious delay. We made a stop there after coming from Punta Cana. Not many people leaving the aircraft in Jamaica.

Quoting morvious (Reply 5):
I am going to fly with them in September this year to Antalya. It will be mine first time with Arkefly but I have my hopes up it will be the best charter flight I've ever had.

To be honest, I think you will be disappointed. They changed the service concept on long-haul flights only the first meal is free and for the snack you have to pay. Only water, OJ and apple juice are free of charge, for the rest you have to pay.

When the 'new' 767s arrive you even have to pay for the use of PTVs!

Adios,

CC



Flown:319, 320, 321, 343, 388, 733, 738, 742, 744, 752, 763, 764, 772, 77W, CR7, CR9, DC9-31, E70, E90, F70, F100, MD11
User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 20851 times:

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 18):
Quoting hummingbird (Reply 15):
Rumour from MBJ is Swissport is heading to town..I wonder what effect their entrance will have on Jamaica Dispatch and Ajas Ltd.....

Well maybe they might buy out Ajas. Would be good for the airlines as you can lessen you ground handling costs because you have one company and you can use them at most if not all your destinations so if it costs you $10 at JFK it will cost you $10 everywhere else you use the company.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20819 times:

Quoting ChrisCruise (Reply 19):
When the 'new' 767s arrive you even have to pay for the use of PTVs!

MP also does the same. That's why I didn't watch any movies on my flight CUR-AMS and v.v. back in 2007 as I refused to pay for that PTV. Are there more European charter airlines doing this?

A388


User currently offlinehummingbird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20808 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 18):
AA use their services at KIN right ?

Am not sure..Last i heard AA was using a private handler for their Csvr Agents

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 18):
That is the same gate we used for boarding when I flew JM 018 a few weeks ago. That taxi out to the holding point for the departure runway seem quite long.

That is one long gate...

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 20):
Well maybe they might buy out Ajas. Would be good for the airlines as you can lessen you ground handling costs because you have one company and you can use them at most if not all your destinations so if it costs you $10 at JFK it will cost you $10 everywhere else you use the company.

Their presence will be good in MBJ as it shows potential for growth....



As for JM/BW, everything will be one....Am not going into details, but look out for new a new logo and decals....



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20729 times:

Hey guys,

Can any of you provide all the European charter airline schedules at the moment to/from MBJ? If you can provide the upcoming winter schedules, that would be great too. Thanks!!!

A388


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20675 times:

Was in cyberspace a short while ago looking up some info on Wiki, and stumbled across a pending MBJ service from VCP and RIO. According to the details, Whitejets will operate VCP/RIO-MBJ starting November 26th, 2010 presumably with an A310.

'' Whitejets operates non-regular international passenger services contracted by Club Vip. During 2010, it plans to concentrate its operations in the Caribbean. In June 2010, planned destinations include: ''

* Cancún - Cancún International Airport
* Montego Bay - Sangster International Airport
* Punta Cana - Punta Cana International Airport
* Samaná - Samaná El Catey International Airport
* Varadero - Juan Gualberto Gómez Airport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitejets

Anyone have more info in this new Brazilian link ?



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25 Post contains links and images hummingbird : These are listed in this link provided, however The JCAA normally provides an updated list, which should be available shortly... http://en.wikipedia.
26 AirJamaica : From what I have read this company have some association with White Airways from Portugal, and more than likely will be using their A310's to operate
27 hummingbird : I wonder if they plan to recieve more A310s..One aircraft seems like a stretch for their proposed winter schedule... Hopefully we will see GOL before
28 Post contains links AirJamaica : I assume they will be using more than one of White Airway's aircraft ( or others leased from elsewhere ) to service some of these routes if they real
29 hummingbird : For the proposed route, they may need up to 3 additional aircraft....Am surprised they are able to find more A310s that are still serviceable.... I a
30 Post contains links jm079 : The aviation industry in Jamaica keeps expanding. Now there is news that JamaicaMed air ambulance service was launched today at Tinson Pen. The servic
31 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Welcome BAck.. I hope you will enjoy the livery while it lasts...In a recent memo to all JM and BW employees...They are being asked to submit proposa
32 A388 : Indeed a good question. I posted my below response in the Caribbean aviation thread: Nowadays airlines merge through establishing one holding company
33 Post contains links and images hummingbird : IMO..It will be wise on their part to keep the brands separate...Firstly, there will be no balance with one brand...A unified brand will be one that
34 A388 : Thanks for your opinion hummingbird. I saw a few passengers check-in this morning here in CUR when I walked passed the Insel Air check-in counters. I
35 Post contains links and images hummingbird : You are welcome.. These are the carriers.. 1..Salsa Airlines from Haiti http://www.flysalsa.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa_d%27Haiti I assum
36 hummingbird : DOT Stats Feb 2010..KIN.. JFK JM JFK-KIN 8142-5853 72% KIN-JFK 8556-6226 73% B6 JFK-KIN 4050-2472 61% KIN-JFK 4050-2500 62% DL JFK-KIN 480-204 -43% KI
37 AirJamaica : Flew on JM's A310's many times when they were around. Nice aircraft, but I had a preference for the A300's over it. It is about time. Well as JM 079
38 Post contains links and images A388 : Thanks for that. I already photographed Salsa Air here in CUR, they were flying for Insel Air for a few days. See my photo in below link: View Large
39 Post contains links and images beeweel15 : What about this. It maintains the name while looks similar to BW.
40 AirJamaica : I visualised that appearance once. Thing is they are now talking about a new logo/tag line and re-branding. So maybe they won't use that one on the t
41 A388 : Nice impression beewee15 except for the letter "J" which looks very odd in my opinion. I'm very anxious in seeing the final results of the new combin
42 A388 : I have another question, can anyone of you post all the flights from Canada to Jamaica (MBJ/KIN)? I remember reading in the past that AC operates seve
43 Post contains links AirJamaica : The ' J ' doesn't really look like one in that image. I know they were contracted by BA, LA etc for their current branding/design work. They did a gr
44 yellowtail : I agree except in the case of F9. I think it works there.
45 hummingbird : I believe these new carriers, specially Salsa Air are in KIN to take advantage of the new cargo route from Asia..They have the right sized aircraft t
46 A388 : I agree with you on this, it's a very odd looking "J" and looks more like a unfinished "A". Yes, I also find Landor a very good branding consultancy
47 Post contains links AirJamaica : Not expecting to see too much charter traffic into KIN from YYZ either anytime soon. Probably one and two may operate during the winter months, if th
48 hummingbird : These are the winter schedule for AC... AC YYC-MBJ........................1x 763.......................Starts: DEC 20 AC YEG-MBJ.....................
49 A388 : According to the WS website, they also fly to MBJ from YOW(?) I can see that but that also depends on frequency and price. The cargo flight from Asia
50 a340jamaica : Out of curiosity, what kind of equipment does WS use to do the YVR - MBJ run? That surely must be beyond the reach of a 737 non-stop.
51 LimaMike : What about YUL-MBJ? AC currently operates this service on Saturdays year-round with A319, and I believe goes 2x weekly during winter. Also, last wint
52 A388 : I think their 737-700 is best for that route and probably most of their routes to the Caribbean. A388
53 a340jamaica : That is quite impressive for the 737-700. The great circle distance is well over 3,000 miles. I can imagine they have trouble occasionally WB re fuel
54 Post contains links hummingbird : Thanks..I missed that one.. Correct, however what will make Jamaica attractive is the overall cost and time.....Due to relative lower labour cost com
55 A388 : The 737-700 is a very capable aircraft, so is the A319 for that matter. CM also uses their 737-700's from PTY to Argentina and Brazil but they also u
56 jm079 : Air Canada also offers seasonal service from Halifax to Montego Bay with once weekly service. Why do I get the feeling that my worst fears are about
57 A388 : Okay thanks. In any case I would like to know more about this. Is the first aircraft still planned to start flying in September? Indeed strange. I ho
58 caribbean484 : Currently no Board has been appointed to Caribbean Airlines, with the current one waiting confirmation or replacement. It is said that CAL has asked
59 A388 : So is Airbus still in the running or not? The article posted today mentions that the 737 is selected...? A388
60 Post contains links jm079 : We are aware of the daily happenings at JM and CAl. Not to get give away much but all the internal changes that are being proposed we are up to breas
61 AirJamaica : I remember AC used their A319's on YYZ-BOG in the past. And they still use them on their YYZ-CCS flights. Yes AC's YHZ-MBJ 1x weekly A319 service was
62 hummingbird : They have an ongoing issue with the pilots that has delayed the process of implementing the new aircraft... So far yes...Mr Henry has failed to keep
63 JM017 : Totally unrelated topic..... FINALLY headed home this week after five long years. Haven't been to Jamaica since 2005. Unfortunately, as JM has stopped
64 Post contains images AirJamaica : Recently my friend who reside in Maryland was also lamenting about JM not operating out of BWI anymore, so she was forced to use AA ( DCA-MIA-KIN ) f
65 JM017 : I am a huge AirTran fan. But flying into MoBay and then driving into Kingston is really a hassle. I am looking forward to seeing all the changes in K
66 Post contains links hummingbird : Jamaica Air Shuttle is currently promoting PAP and Cayman Brac on their website.. http://www.jamaicaairshuttle.com/home.html That was a funny photo fi
67 yellowtail : seems like JM is giving B6 and NK all it can handle on MCO. PHX is also doing terrible.
68 Post contains links hummingbird : It looks like Sunquest Vacations of Canada has contracted its winter sun services to Thomas Cook Canada to be operated by Jazz Air.. http://www.sunque
69 JM017 : I didn't. I just imagined the transfer at MBJ would be a huge hassle. But you're right: they have good deals. Still, if I factored in the $100 fare,
70 AirJamaica : They are spreading their wings. Hopefully they will be successful with their new expansion. You may ( or may not ) use a jet bridge to disembark as u
71 JM017 : I'm hoping for the jet bridge, but I understand there is a possibility that may not happen. Knowing my luck, it probably will not.
72 Post contains links and images hummingbird : Ok...Now I understand.. Its a underserved market that will provide strong returns on their investment... I agree. Job well done in representing Jamai
73 Post contains images LimaMike : Currently the gates on the western side of the finger (Gates 1 - 5) are closed to facilitate upgrades to the fueling system, therefore only Gates 6 -
74 jm079 : Thanks for the update with respect to NMIA Just a question: When did NMIA start busing passengers to the terminal building when planes are positioned
75 A388 : Do you have an update on those two new airlines wanting to fly to CUR? What aircraft types will be used? Cheers, A388
76 LimaMike : It largely depends on the location the aircraft is parked in relation to the terminal, as well as the number of passengers. Aircraft parked at Stands
77 Post contains links hummingbird : Thanks for the pics and update...The pic of the parked VS reminds me of a gate that was adjacent to the area...It was the gate that was frequently us
78 Post contains links jm079 : The people in the EC needs to have some competition - once that happen you will definitely see better fares and an improvement in service. The entry
79 AirJamaica : I am not surprised that AC has decided to operate YYZ-KIN on a daily basis come summer 2011. This was predicted several threads ago. As much as it wi
80 A388 : I think they mean flights from Panama City in Florida which is near Tallahassee. Airport Code is KPAM (named Panama City Bay County International Air
81 AirJamaica : O.K. Thanks for the info. Thinking about it you are right, as I do remember it being associated with Florida when I first heard about it.
82 hummingbird : I wonder how long they wll be able to sustain services before politics come into play? It looks like they have lost out on the YYZ route..As long as
83 a340jamaica : Yup, that's what marketing arrogance and taking things for granted will get you. It is going to be an uphill climb for them to win back loyalty. What
84 caribbean484 : Some interesting info there, AC will have 2 weekly 767 for the fall and 5 weekly for the Christmas travel, 2w 767 and 3w A319, JM is proposing 2 dail
85 A388 : I think this route will be purely executive/business oriented so no Jamaican concentrations are needed. A388
86 jm079 : If you are going to make correction to my post then I suggest that you do with some facts. Firstly, Air Jamaica is not going daily anymore for the wi
87 Post contains links and images hummingbird : I should have written KFXE instead of KFLL...This is an example of the flights they operate.. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N876BB This pic was
88 Post contains links jm079 : The local newspaper in Port of Spain is reporting on the over all financial state of CAL and is reporting to have a cumulative losses incurred by CAL
89 hummingbird : One area I can see them reducing the loss is labour...However, with the North American carriers imposing fierce competition on key routes, I don't se
90 caribbean484 : I am not sure why you are getting all up in a dent for, I posted what was reflected on the GDS as of yesterday and today. It specifically said JM wil
91 AirJamaica : Great photos there of the General Services area ramp action. They may very well be eyeing KIN as a potential future destination. That would be good.
92 Post contains links jm079 : Last year when the debate was on about CAL taking over Air Jamaica the chief argument that was used by all the non - Jamaicans was that it would be a
93 Post contains links yellowtail : Hey...judging by the time of day...I think I was on board that UA EMB170 in that shot! I was going ATL-DEN anyways...according to the article below h
94 yellowtail : Yep....might be me....my flight was around 7pm....
95 AirJamaica : At one point CO was ahead of every other major US carrier where domestic inflight service was concerned, from what I have read. Things have changed d
96 Post contains links hummingbird : Lets see what happens once they have completed the merger with UA.. Am surprised the investigation is taking so long..... Good news guys...They have
97 yellowtail : They found oil here too...and the politician still manage to squander and pocket all the benefits....for us about US$110 million a year..the average
98 A388 : Let's not get carried away too soon, the article says that there "may" be oil but it needs to be confirmed. If there indeed is oil than the next ques
99 a340jamaica : Agreed A388. I have seen this excitement before in other locales only to be disappointed later on when the test wells reveal much less and reality st
100 A388 : We're talking about one of the world's largest airline groups, BA/IB. These airlines are looking for big fish. JM/Caribbean Airlines has little to no
101 yellowtail : Because they could finish locking up the region. it might be small region but it is very profitable for BA. And it does have some room for growth
102 A388 : They have locked up the region through AA's dominance in the region. The Caribbean might be profitable to BA but it certainly isn't on their top list
103 Post contains links hummingbird : Sounds good, but I don't think I will be using CO for me future travel..Its DL all the way.... The CRJ is the perfect sized aircraft for the route...
104 Post contains links AirJamaica : Have my doubts. Probably if they didn't already partner with AA and the One World alliance then I think they would consider it. But whatever loose en
105 Post contains links AirJamaica : Now there seems to be another twist to this story. According to immigration officials, there was not any '' sick out '' stemming from disagreements r
106 yellowtail : Actually one or 2 of the destinations rank among its better yielding spots....I read an article soem years ago where it specifically mentioned BGI an
107 A388 : Still that doesn't warrant the region being on their top list. I remember the Concorde service to BGI but what relevance does that have? Weren't the
108 hummingbird : Have anyone heard anything about the JTB/TUI deal??... This new tax may be a deterrent to the cost sensitive traveller who is looking to The Caribbea
109 caribbean484 : BA and VS both focuses alot on the Caribbean, it is infact a major player in their network and BGI is their shinning spot along with GCM. If you take
110 Post contains links yellowtail : Yes, Virgin Caribbean would be great brand name. On another note...B6 jsut announced PLS http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/NY61
111 Post contains links hummingbird : Not undermining the market from JFK-PLS..I was a bit shocked to see B6 announcing this service....But further investigation revealed the following: T
112 beeweel15 : I want to see the opposite and BW/JM buy a Euro carrier. I am tired of overseas people buying us out. What BW/JM Missed
113 A388 : BA is weak in South America and Central but there even so those markets are much more important to them than the Caribbean will ever be. Regarding th
114 Post contains links hummingbird : There is an interesting article on Jamaica that is featured in Breaking Travel News.. With the recovery in the Caribbean tourism sector now well estab
115 jm079 : Thanks for your comment but I think you miss the essense of the article or am not sure you had read it. The view that BA/IB size determines where the
116 AirJamaica : I am not surprised that B6 decided to start JFK-PLS and BOS-PLS. Actually all this time I was here thinking they already operated those routes. What
117 hummingbird : I agree... I realize that B6, being a recognised leisure carrier is using these Gov't given subsidies to their benefit...The truth of the matter is,
118 A388 : I know what you mean but it still doesn't make any sense for BA to take over an airline in the Caribbean. Why? Because the Caribbean is already cover
119 Post contains links jm079 : My originally post never said BA /IB will be taking over or is interested in JM/CAL. I was simple positing the idea that since they are looking at ov
120 A388 : You're comparing apples with pears, LAN is in the same alliance but you are overlooking one big thing. LAN together with TAM have access to the Brazi
121 guyanam : The only destination uniquely covered by CAL is GEO. Hardly a major priority for BA/IB I would think. AA has the more important caribbean destination
122 Post contains links hummingbird : AC will operate two flights from YYZ-MBJ today, using the A319 and A320 respectively..... ************************************************************
123 jm079 : Thanks for your response. I have taken note of what you have to say and will add that the spin on my original post is quite an interesting one. Suffi
124 A388 : That is true, time will tell but in my opinion I don't see the need for BA/IB buying a Caribbean based airline as it adds no value to their network b
125 hummingbird : They will use the SAAB340B,which offers them more cargo space, higher cruising speed and overall better performance when compared to their SAAB340A..
126 AirJamaica : One destination where this is quite evident is the Dominican Republic where B6 has captured quite a significant amount of the market share ; both VFR
127 hummingbird : We had predicted this demise, as the A319 was an overkill on the route..However, I was informed the NAS flights were scheduled to increase the daily
128 LimaMike : We have repeatedly discussed the apparent folly of JM deploying an A320 daily on a route which it was unsuccessful in operating at just 3x weekly wit
129 a340jamaica : Jamaica is crying out for at least a mid to large prop fleet to perform these short range regional hubbing operations. NAS, GCM, PLS, SDQ, PAP, HAV,
130 AirJamaica : I was thinking the same thing. A 3x weekly NAS and 4x weekly GCM mix would have been far more practical than attempting to operate a daily flight to
131 hummingbird : Firstly, NAS gamble failed..When Western Air first launched KIN, the plan was to gradually increase to daily..Before the start of the summer, they ha
132 a340jamaica : The issue is there is no new prop aircraft in that general size category that can replace the Saabs except the ATR 42. Isn't it possible to reconfigu
133 hummingbird : The ATRs can be reconfigured to accommodate both pax and cargo..... With their plans to establish a hub in KIN, I would like to see an E-jet (170) be
134 AirJamaica : Even splitting the A319/A320 services between HAV and CUR several times a week would have worked out much better than a daily KIN-NAS. The imposition
135 A388 : The SB340 isn't going to be a good aircraft for the KIN-CUR route. If they will start it, it will be short-lived route I'm afraid. Salsa works with I
136 hummingbird : Yeah, KIN really needs this exposure..Its nice to see an influx of new carriers into the market..KIN-SDQ was way over due...Also, it will send a warn
137 LAXintl : Caribbean Airlines Limited today filed with the US Department of Transportation for assumption of rights currently held by Air Jamaica between the US
138 hummingbird : Interesting.... As expected, there is increasing tension between Jamaican pilots and Caribbean Airlines.. Two attempts have been made to have a meeti
139 yellowtail : Where is the E190 coming from? Yes, it is a comfortable aircraft....but that has to be right at the edge of its range...
140 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Very interesting indeed, I'll tell you this much, interesting days......still lie ahead. -2263
141 Post contains images hummingbird : Am not sure about their specifics, but it was deployed on their YOW-MBJ-YOW flights this winter... I assume the aircraft is weight restricted on the
142 Post contains links AirJamaica : MT will be operating GLA-MBJ flights come March 08th 2011. This is a first for MBJ where charters out of Scotland is concerned. They are also planning
143 hummingbird : Good news..A welcomed addition..I hope one day we will see charters from the Nordic region... This will be an interesting weekend, concerning the pil
144 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : Ok I can't say much more than this, however look out for the caribbean's first true indigenous LCC, to start operations in the very near term. I can
145 hummingbird : Thanks for the update..So finally an indigenous LCC...Hopefully they will have a base in KIN..The airprot is currently under-utilised and having a hu
146 Post contains links hummingbird : I wonder what caused this diversion.... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BWA481
147 LimaMike : BW417 (KIN-SXM-BGI-POS) had tech problems, hence 481 was operated to KIN to rescue pax and ferry spare parts. BW417 to route KIN-BGI-POS, and 481 KIN
148 hummingbird : Thanks for the info... DOT Stats March 2010.. KIN JFK JM JFK-KIN 9682-7543 78% KIN-JFK 9682-7518 78% B6 JFK-KIN 4650-3435 74% KIN-JFK 4650-3279 71% D
149 hummingbird : MBJ Dot Stats March 2010 JFK JM JFK-MBJ 4842-3686 76% MBJ-JFK 4804-3388 71% B6 JFK-MBJ 5250-4488 85% MBJ-JFK 5250-4015 76% AA JFK-MBJ 4011-3188- 79% M
150 Post contains images speedbird2263 : I'll believe it when I see it....from the right seat . -2263
151 A388 : That is very true. I believe it when I see it. The Caribbean Airlines fleet replacement has so far been nothing but vague en secretive. Who knows we
152 Post contains images AirJamaica : Not bad results considering that they have competition from US on this route. A marked improvement compared to some of their previous stats.
153 Post contains links hummingbird : Both carriers have done well with increasing their loads to MBJ.......On the other hand, B6 has been in Jamaica for little under two years and have b
154 hummingbird : According to the "salesman", between Jan 2100-April 2011, Jamaica will see 69 weekly flights from Canada...This is a big jump in seats when compared t
155 AirJamaica : Sooner or later they will announce that route. Not able to open that link but it is extremely interesting to see how arrivals from Canada have grown
156 LimaMike : There are probably many considerations to be mindful of but I was thinking that since FL has the B717 in its fleet, maybe that would be a more ideal
157 Post contains links AirJamaica : When they initially announced MCO-MBJ I was expecting them to start out with the B717's and then gradually rotate the B737's as dictated by season/de
158 Post contains links hummingbird : The last I heard, they were against using their B717 for over water operations... I would say Air Tran has the larger presence, but one has to wonder
159 beeweel15 : What to see an A380 in BW or JM colors at LHRI would be in heaven. Let me get my check book if they dont have enough money. LOL
160 Post contains links hummingbird : Be careful..You never know which Anetter works for the Feds, lol... At the recent Worl Routes Forum in Vancouver, Min Bartlett stressed the importanc
161 beeweel15 : Well to satisfy the Feds I will look at Boeing also. LOL My hope for BW/JM fleet in the next few years wil be as follows 10 - B777-300ER 15 - B777-20
162 yellowtail : for FL it was. Yeah...but considering the limited competition from that region....and the time of year....it is not so good.
163 AirJamaica : That's the thing with those FL route pairs. Whatever connections can be made into MBJ through their MCO base, can also easily be made/exceeded via th
164 a340jamaica : Very good idea. I would be very, very interested in an MCO - KIN non stop especially at a nice competitive fare. It is the Kingston bound VFR that ke
165 Post contains images A388 : Interesting hopes indeed and wishful thinking. In any case, it's always nice to dream. The sad part is that you always have to snap out of it at some
166 hummingbird : That combined schedule will be an asset to them growing the market from MCO..But, I hope they would put more emphasis on operating the MCO-KIN-MBJ-MC
167 Post contains images speedbird2263 : I concur that is a bit of a stretch, however a little bit more realistic and definitely doable IMHO is a JM fleet breakdown that consist of either: A
168 debonair : Hi to you all, any more infos available on the progress of Air Turks and Caicos application for an Jamaican AOC to build their new Kingston hub? ThanX
169 hummingbird : Not much have been said about their start up date..However, I was informed they also plan to operate a KIN-GCM-HAV-GCM-KIN service..Flights would be
170 Post contains links A388 : The decision has finally fallen, MP will stop all passenger flights and focus on cargo only. It was already known that MP would take over the cargo fl
171 Post contains links hummingbird : Its interesting to see what aircraft they will use to VAR and PUJ.....Neither of these require a premium config and KLM's lesiure aircraft are far to
172 A388 : That's an interesting point indeed. I have no idea what KL will do with the other MP routes except for having a reasonable picture of what they will
173 AirJamaica : Very true. The first time I flew JM 081 I was very surprised to see how many passengers originated in KIN. Likewise many also terminated their journe
174 hummingbird : I can guarantee, B6 is now eyeing more markets to Jamaica.....I can foresee them operating flights from IAD and BDL to MBJ using their E190....In the
175 LimaMike : The revenue guarantee covers all of US 's routes into Jamaica? Wow. While I tend to support these incentive schemes aimed at boosting passenger arriv
176 A388 : What does this revenue guarantee encompass? Does it mean a certain (fixed) number of seats on each flight will be guaranteed or will the GOJ pay for
177 hummingbird : It will apply to all US services to MBJ......Its a fixed calculation, based on the number of seats that will boost arrivals......US Airways through U
178 A388 : How does guaranteeing (30 percent of) seats lead to cheaper seats? A388
179 hummingbird : The majority of pax on US's flights to MBJ are package inclusive...When the GOJ guarantees 30% of these seats, it is used to reduce their expenses wh
180 A388 : Guaranteed seats don't make any other seat on that same flight cheaper, it just covers expenses of those 30 percent seats and helps to break even a f
181 AirJamaica : Didn't remember that B6 flies to a number of cities from IAD as well. IAD-MBJ isn't far fetched either and I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually
182 A388 : Guys, what's the status on Western Air and their plans to start flights in the region, CUR being one of them apparently. Will they use the Saab340 for
183 Post contains links yellowtail : WN comes to MBJ ! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...re-prnews-3710486497.html?x=0&.v=1
184 A388 : That depends on whether AirTran will be fully taken up by Southwest or whether they will keep operating as seperate entities owned by Southwest. In a
185 Post contains links hummingbird : Firstly, we have to look at US loads to MBJ..Their loads from PHL, CLT and BOS rarely dips below 80%.. The argument would be applicable if US was the
186 Post contains links AirJamaica : A number of passengers were inconvenienced yesterday at the Norman Manley International Airport due to a malfunctioning airport fuel system with elect
187 A388 : With a load factor of 80% than yes, I can see the seat guarantee being an added value but if MBJ is already such a popular destination why would you
188 hummingbird : Unfortunately, this is where the industry is heading in regards to resort destinations..The airlines have realised their support is needed by these c
189 Post contains links jm079 : I came back to the followings news from CAL: They are acquiring 9 ATR for there fleet renewal and that is a welcome development BUT HERE IS THE OTHER
190 A388 : I wonder how Western Air and Air Turks will react to Caribbean Airlines now also sending brandnew turboprops to Jamaica. Even though it is still far
191 yellowtail : Really wish we could see KIN-BZE or KIN-GCM-BZE with the ATR....even at US$700 r/t to BZE..would still be a deal for us...I know Grace Kennedy alone
192 hummingbird : .. Firstly...CAL will be of no threat to these carriers....As I had posted in an earlier thread,Air Salsa,Western Air ,Air Turks and Jamaica Air Shutt
193 A388 : Where do you think Caribbean Airlines will use these brandnew ATR's on? Yes, JM's old routes and using the most comfortable and most modern turboprop
194 hummingbird : As demonstrated by Western Air's success to Jamaica, it is price and convenience over comfort....I had doubted their viability against JM, but now we
195 A388 : I'm not an expert on the Jamaican aviation industry but I don't see any airline who bought brandnew aircraft not knowing they will be succesfully run
196 AirJamaica : Personally I don't think they will be the least purturbed. They too will play on their strength which is flying equipment with competitively low oper
197 jm079 : It is highy recommended that we say away from all negative comments. Not needed at this juncture and will not so in the future. The focus should be o
198 Post contains links BW424 : Skyliner says that JM's 6Y-JMH has been ferried to Shannon with a KIN-JFK-SNN routing. Any idea what's up? http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?
199 AirJamaica : I could have sworn BA had already reduced their LGW-KIN ops to 2x weekly.
200 A388 : The point is that one can never say in advance that a certain airline will beat the other competing airline(s) without them even having started those
201 Post contains links AirJamaica : Due to the inclement weather that has been affecting Jamaica since Sunday morning , today several flights have been delayed/canceled at both airports.
202 Post contains links AirJamaica : JM's call center is currently down and persons are being advised to use their website for reservation/information. THE passage of Tropical Storm Nicol
203 Post contains links and images hummingbird : I thought they had relocated the call centre to POS? I got a pic of this CM Embraer getting soaked in KIN...Its funny that this route is yet to see a
204 AirJamaica : Not certain if they did. The last time I called them was in June to have them re-assign my seat as their website wasn't allowing me to choose one any
205 Post contains links and images beeweel15 : It is SRX Transcontinental (Avialeasing) a small carrier from Uzbekistan which was acquired by Amerijet. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...uires
206 AirJamaica : O.K. Thanks for info.
207 Post contains links hummingbird : I saw the pics online, pretty devastating.. Titan Tours, has awarded Sunwings Airlines of Canada the contract to operate weekly services into KIN for
208 jm079 : The US DOT has rejected CAL application to take over the JM routes from the USA to Jamaica and to Barbados, Grenada and St Lucia for several reasons.
209 Post contains links hummingbird : Here is the full link.. http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...#documentDetail?R=0900006480b610a7 It puzzled me as to why they would want to put thei
210 JM017 : I thought this was already settled and that the JM name would be preserved. You are right: it does seem as if they plan to phase out the JM name grad
211 A388 : All these rejection reasons are no problem. The countries involved just need to amend their air service agreements with the U.S. Why should it be a p
212 Post contains links hummingbird : *Ignorance is a bliss*....Please read this article regarding the retaining of the brand... http://www.jis.gov.jm/officePM/html/..._CONFIRMS_AIR_JAMAI
213 A388 : Stop whining and get over it, that's all I'm saying. A388
214 Post contains images speedbird2263 : This is interesting, I would certainly love to find out what's meant by "significant increase" and also "new aircraft type". I suppose that refers to
215 A388 : It indeed is interesting and something good for the Caribbean aviation industry (getting brand new aircraft). A388
216 beeweel15 : The bottom line Hummingbird as A388 said all that has to be done for the governments of the respective countries is to change the national carrier st
217 jm079 : You can not make that comparison at all between DL and NW. Both carriers operate under the same jurisdiction of the USA. The various islands have dif
218 AirJamaica : It is good news that WG will be back in KIN for the winter, as it was previously announced that they would only be operating flights to MBJ. There se
219 jm02 : They are talking about the fact that CAL is increasing from a fleet of 8 Boeing 738s to include the 6 JM Airbuses that will be based and maintained i
220 A388 : The reason why I said that is because it is posted in such a way here in the forum that it is a big problem. The governments of the countries involve
221 Post contains links hummingbird : In Jamaica's case, it will never happen.....With Jamaica's need to expand the aviation industry, granting BW national carrier status will have an eff
222 A388 : The reason why I said that is because it is posted in such a way here in the forum that it is a big problem. The governments of the countries involve
223 ACWS777 : When would caribbean airlines replace JM's Airbus and would they ever consider installing PTVs.
224 jm079 : I don't think that is an accurate statement there JM02 . There is no official confirmation as to how many of the ATRs will be based KIN or POS. That
225 BW424 : Very much agree with this statement and was dissappointed at CAL's proposal. They didn't do there homework properly. I believe you are mistaken somew
226 A388 : That is also what I meant. I take back my earlier reply of this being "blown up". I was specifically aiming at this part. The way it was mentioned in
227 Post contains links hummingbird : This latest news from The DOT will have a great impact on their new business plan, which should have started on Nov 1st... As owners of JM, they do h
228 A388 : Sounds about right to me too. how long will it take to transfer those JM rights? Also what's the status of the JALPA business plan to start up a new
229 Post contains links jm079 : In none of the releases either thru interviews given by Jack Warner or the aircraft manufacturer does it states that KIN will be assigned 3 aircrafts
230 A388 : As I said, the countries involved need to amend their air service agreements and re-apply at the DOT. All this boils down to negotiating with each pa
231 hummingbird : Am not sure about the time frame, but it all depends if their application is complete and one that satisfies the DOT requirements....Perhaps they sho
232 guyanam : US DOT already knows in writing that JM is solely a brand name that CAL operates its Jamaican routes under. Thye had to issue temporray permission. T
233 jm079 : I agree that the process should commence immediately but that initiative needs to be done not by CAL but by the GOTT. The air service agreement that
234 Post contains links hummingbird : New thread up.. West To East..Jamaican Thread 33.. (by hummingbird Oct 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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