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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6648 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

I was wondering, what is the possibility of DL starting a new ABQ-DTW route?

I remember hearing rumors that DL would replace one of the ABQ-MSP flights with an ABQ-DTW flight, however, it never happened. What DTW offers over MSP is international connectivity.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
What DTW offers over MSP is international connectivity.

I doubt that very man people are flying from ABQ to FRA or FCO (half the year). Other than that DTW offers nothing that MSP doesn't in terms of international connectivity, and MSP has been at least double daily for over a decade. Reducing MSP-ABQ to once daily renders in uncompetitive with other flights to places west of the Mississippi.

Jeremy


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4460 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
I doubt that very man people are flying from ABQ to FRA or FCO (half the year).

I fly UA ABQ-ABQ several times a year. There always seem to be a number oc connecting pax to, or from, FRA on that flight.

There is a large military presence in New Mexico which seems to generate a lot of those connecting pax. A couple of times, we wre delayed, in IAD, waiting for connecting pax to clear customs from a FRA flight. When they arrived on the flight, I counted 30 pax.

Also, there is some connection between Univ of New Meixoc which generates a good number of connecting pax to, and from, VIE on the OS flight VIE-IAD-VIE.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

DTW-SMF is seasonal, and DTW-SNA is being switched to JFK. DL clearly sees MSP as a better west coast gateway than DET. I think reducing MSP down to just 1 flight would be a bad idea

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 2):
I fly UA ABQ-ABQ several times a year. There always seem to be a number oc connecting pax to, or from, FRA on that flight.

That's understandable, but don't forget that UA connects passengers to various flights out of FRA, where LH operates an enormous hub. This contributes greatly to the amount of people on ABQ-ORD-FRA flights. DL doesn't have this advantage from DTW, where anyone traveling from ABQ-DTW-FRA would be terminating at FRA.

There may be a few passengers who would fly DL on ABQ-DTW-FRA, but certainly not enough to justify a flight from ABQ-DTW. DTW offers very little that MSP doesn't, in addition to a smaller O&D market between the two cities, hence the reason NW nor DL flies ABQ-DTW. ABQ is very well served in the DL network, with a plethora of flights between ABQ-SLC, ABQ-MSP, and ABQ-ATL, the latter which has an enormous amount of service, and offers everything and more that DTW could offer in terms of international connections.

Jeremy


User currently offlinevctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

TUS is similar. I was shocked at the amount of service, with 757-200s no less, that DL operates on TUS-ATL.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

I remember hearing rumors that DL would replace one of the ABQ-MSP flights with an ABQ-DTW flight, however, it never happened. What DTW offers over MSP is international connectivity.
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Other than that DTW offers nothing that MSP doesn't in terms of international connectivity, and MSP has been at least double daily for over a decade. Reducing MSP-ABQ to once daily renders in uncompetitive with other flights to places west of the Mississippi.

Aside from a few smaller Canadian destinations, you can easily hit all of Delta's DTW-Europe destinations via Atlanta. For Asia, it's significantly shorter to route via Salt Lake/Narita, and over Mpls/Narita is still a good 500 miles shorter than via DTW.

Same with domestic destinations; aside from some pretty small towns, most anything on the East Coast can be served via Atlanta; and most anything midwest can be hit from Minneapolis.

Detroit service would just take away from the service to the more appropriate connectivity points.


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Delta - ABQ-DTW A Possibility?

KOAT-TV ran a story back in June saying that Sunport officials are pushing for new non-stop service to several cities - DTW included. Apparently the numbers are there to support non-stop ABQ-DTW service, but the airlines are hesitant to add more domestic service in this poor economy.

DL shouldn't have too much trouble filling an E-170 on ABQ-DTW. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Delta does.

Here is a link to the story KOAT ran:
http://www.koat.com/news/23928585/detail.html



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 7):
Here is a link to the story KOAT ran:
http://www.koat.com/news/23928585/de....html

They mentioned two of the three I'd most like to see added to ABQ.

SJC seems obvious. Between Intel and the high tech development at both Sandia and Los Alamos National Labs, I've wondered why this hasn't been tried before.

BUR would be good too with the booming film industry in New Mexico, but it's a tougher sell due to the space constrictions at BUR. Running BUR-ABQ probably means not running some other flight out of BUR.

The one not mentioned that I'd really like to see is MEX. It has the strongest demand of all Mexican cities from ABQ, and if AM were to run it they could sell connections through MEX. Maybe once Mexico's aviation authorities fix their problems, the sunport can try to find a way to make it happen.

DTW just doesn't make much sense to me. It doesn't really add anything and I can't believe the O&D comes even close to justifying it.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26168 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 8):
BUR would be good too with the booming film industry in New Mexico, but it's a tougher sell due to the space constrictions at BUR. Running BUR-ABQ probably means not running some other flight out of BUR.

What space constrictions at BUR? Traffic is down over the last few years, so plenty of capacity for added flights.

However knowing how ABQ-LAX is a marginal route to start with (SWA is only 4x daily, and UA does 2 RJs) I dont see the need for a seperate BUR flight which would only capture a small sliver of the LA basin traffic.
Anyhow the concept that BUR generates hords of film industry traffic is overstated. Also is the NM film industry not centered around Santa Fe to begin with?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 8):
BUR would be good too with the booming film industry in New Mexico, but it's a tougher sell due to the space constrictions at BUR. Running BUR-ABQ probably means not running some other flight out of BUR.

Film industry traffic does not use BUR! I'm not sure where this illusion comes from. The traffic goes through LAX.

And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico. It is hysterical that every city in the country - Detroit, New Orleans, Boston - suddenly thinks its film industry is booming because of local state incentives that bring over a few projects to make it flavor of the week.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Film industry traffic does not use BUR! I'm not sure where this illusion comes from. The traffic goes through LAX.

Perhaps you should call up the officials at ABQ and let them know. From the story ABQ747 posted, they seem to be under the impression that some within the industry live in the San Fernando Valley and would find BUR more convenient than LAX.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
What space constrictions at BUR? Traffic is down over the last few years, so plenty of capacity for added flights.

Didn't realize the schedules had shrunk that much. It seems like every time I'm there the ramp is packed. I guess that wouldn't be an issue then.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Also is the NM film industry not centered around Santa Fe to begin with?

It used to be. The studios that were built just south of ABQ have changed that considerably though, and greatly increased the number of films and television shows being filmed in both ABQ and all around New Mexico. It may start shifting north again in a couple of years as the final financial details are getting worked out now on another large studio, this one near Santa Fe.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhg29JTaTaM



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

DL did operate CVG-ABQ up until the merger, but efforts in transitioning flights from CVG to DTW elsewhere (e.g. SNA, FSD) have failed.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico. It is hysterical that every city in the country - Detroit, New Orleans, Boston - suddenly thinks its film industry is booming because of local state incentives that bring over a few projects to make it flavor of the week.

While I agree that "booming" is too strong of a word, there is definitely a healthy amount of film/television business happening in the cities you mentioned.



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User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico. It is hysterical that every city in the country - Detroit, New Orleans, Boston - suddenly thinks its film industry is booming because of local state incentives that bring over a few projects to make it flavor of the week.

Oh really? I would beg to differ.

Have a look here:
http://www.abqstudios.com/
http://abqstudios.com/CNN.htm



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 11):
Perhaps you should call up the officials at ABQ and let them know. From the story ABQ747 posted, they seem to be under the impression that some within the industry live in the San Fernando Valley and would find BUR more convenient than LAX.

Considering I work in the film industry, I don't need to call up anybody since I'm very well aware of what is going on and what airport I fly out of. In fact, even when I worked out of a studio based out of Glendale, right next to Burbank, it was corporate policy to use LAX unless going to the Bay Area.

Burbank does not have lounges, jet bridges and most flights do not have an F cabin. It also hurts that most studios also have AA-exclusive contracts.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 13):
Oh really? I would beg to differ.

Flavor of the month. Enjoy it while the subsidies are still running. There will never be a major film industry in New Mexico.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):
While I agree that "booming" is too strong of a word, there is definitely a healthy amount of film/television business happening in the cities you mentioned.

There is, but it is nothing more than artifical demand pumped up by incentives that won't last.

The only cities with permanently healthy film industries will be Los Angeles and New York. Chicago and Miami have carved out strong niches for television production and Spanish-language production, respectively, but even those two cities see-saw with everybody else.

Film industries need huge local infrastructures to remain permanent - especially in the way of local stagehands, smaller production companies, local talent. Only LA and New York, and to a smaller extent Chicago and Miami, can provide that.

[Edited 2010-08-07 15:28:21]


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico. It is hysterical that every city in the country - Detroit, New Orleans, Boston - suddenly thinks its film industry is booming because of local state incentives that bring over a few projects to make it flavor of the week.

Not to hijack this thread, but I need to debunk some false information. There's literally a ton of film activity going on in New Orleans....constantly...year-round. It's one of the few things that the state has done right. It's basically gotten busier year over year for the past five years, give or take. I have no idea what BOS and DTW are up to, but as far as NOLA goes, the film industry is certainly booming...more than just "a few projects", by a long shot. There are new soundstages and production offices popping up throughout the area. Also, I think we had a chat about this four or five years ago and you said the demand won't last and the film industry would be fleeting in New Orleans...actually thus far, it has gotten bigger. I'm not saying N.O will be the next L.A, but the city and state are turning this into something sustainable and permanent...and that's good news.

[Edited 2010-08-07 15:39:07]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 15):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And, besides, there is no booming film industry in New Mexico. It is hysterical that every city in the country - Detroit, New Orleans, Boston - suddenly thinks its film industry is booming because of local state incentives that bring over a few projects to make it flavor of the week.

Not to hijack this thread, but I need to debunk some false information. There's literally a ton of film activity going on in New Orleans....constantly...year-round. It's one of the few things that the state has done right. It's basically gotten busier year over year for the past five years, give or take. I have no idea what BOS and DTW are up to, but as far as NOLA goes, the film industry is certainly booming...more than just "a few projects", by a long shot. There are new soundstages and production offices popping up throughout the area. Also, I think we had a chat about this four or five years ago and you said the demand won't last and the film industry would be fleeting in New Orleans...actually thus far, it has gotten bigger. I'm not saying N.O will be the next L.A, but the city and state are turning this into something sustainable and permanent...and that's good news.

Flavor of the month. Film production is actually starting to drop off as projects are leaving Louisiana and now going to Michigan and Georgia, the next two hot spots until another state decides to entice people with incentives. We'll just agree to disagree here, because I know we won't agree. I work in the industry, I follow the trends - New Orleans was all the rage recently. Now it's Atlanta and Detroit. Although I'll certainly admit that New Orleans has done better than I expected, especially luring Green Lantern, but its not going to last and the city should not be counting on it whatsoever. A horrendous industry to count on unless you are Los Angeles or Vancouver.

The film industry does an amazing job at convincing localities to build these sprawling "studios" which will then sit empty for years and years. Orlando is a great example of this.

[Edited 2010-08-07 15:43:31]

[Edited 2010-08-07 15:44:42]


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
Flavor of the month. Film production is actually starting to drop off as projects are leaving Louisiana and now going to Michigan and Georgia, the next two hot spots until another state decides to entice people with incentives. We'll just agree to disagree here, because I know we won't agree. I work in the industry, I follow the trends - New Orleans was all the rage recently. Now it's Atlanta and Detroit.

I don't think New Orleans is a flavor of the month in this sense. The city/area has pretty much established itself as a good place to film over the past 5/6 years. As recently as last month, a report was issued saying that 2010 will be a record breaking year for the industry in the area. So, we'll see what happens. It's been a good run so far so I'm cautiously optimistic about the future of the business in New Orleans and Louisiana as a whole.

[Edited 2010-08-07 15:53:49]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
I don't think New Orleans is a flavor of the month in this sense.

Perhaps because you take the statement a little too literally.

Orlando was booming, especially for television production, for a good 8-10 years. It was still a flavor of the month and now left with empty studios everywhere. At least the ones at Disney and Universal can be (and have been) turned into theme park attractions.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Perhaps because you take the statement a little too literally.

Yeah...I was basing my response purely on the the length of time where things have been really busy, around 5 years, give or take, thinking that a true "flavor of the month" city/area would see a lot of initial investment and then a quick pull out after a couple of years for whatever reason. I see now with the ORL example you gave that the term has a different meaning in the industry.


User currently offlineABQ747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Flavor of the month. Enjoy it while the subsidies are still running. There will never be a major film industry in New Mexico.

I don't think you can say that with any certainty. Sony Pictures Imageworks relocated some staff members from SoCal and has set up an office in Downtown Albuquerque. I should also mention that Hubbard Broadcasting has relocated a significant portion of their operations from Los Angeles to Albuquerque. The New Mexico Film Office has indicated that they are in this for the long haul.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
Burbank does not have lounges, jet bridges and most flights do not have an F cabin. It also hurts that most studios also have AA-exclusive contracts.

Do all studios have contracts with AA? Do all people working in the film industry fly AA? AA does not fly LAX-ABQ. Anyone wanting to get from SoCal to ABQ would have to fly LAX/BUR-DFW-ABQ. When Jackie Chan filmed a movie here in ABQ two years ago, he flew on WN from LAX-ABQ.....



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 20):
Do all studios have contracts with AA? Do all people working in the film industry fly AA? AA does not fly LAX-ABQ. Anyone wanting to get from SoCal to ABQ would have to fly LAX/BUR-DFW-ABQ. When Jackie Chan filmed a movie here in ABQ two years ago, he flew on WN from LAX-ABQ.....

Pretty much every studio is with AA except Disney, which is with UA. If the studio's carrier does not fly the route non-stop, then they obviously they use somebody else if another airline does operate a non-stop; that's usually how contracts are worded. However, the fact is that they use LAX, not BUR. Most of the studio traffic is going to/from the business affairs and executive offices, which are primarily in Westwood/Century City. Though AA does offer LAX-SAF, and LAX-SAF is just as easy for many that need to go to the area for film business.

ABQ does not need a flight to BUR for the miniscule amount of film industry traffic that exists; and, even if there was significant film industry traffic, it uses LAX.

Quoting ABQ747 (Reply 20):
The New Mexico Film Office has indicated that they are in this for the long haul.

Yeah, so has every other city that the entertainment industry has ripped off over the past four decades. Tell Orlando and Wilmington how well things are going for them now.

This is how the industry works: we complain that Los Angeles is too expensive, we entice a city with empty warehouses and/or dying industry and/or pretty landscapes that they are the next big thing, we film some stuff thanks to huge incentives, and then we have unions complain that we are taking jobs out of Los Angeles and the subsidies dry up while we get some good incentives to come back to LA, so back to LA we go. Sometimes it'll last 2-3 years, sometimes 7-10. The point is, it never lasts.

Look at all the films done in Miami in the early 2000s, or New Orleans and Chicago right now, or Orlando in the early/mid-90s. All driven by incentives that dry up. And to think Miami and Chicago actually have the local infrastructure base because they each have big television production industries, and it still gets too expensive there.

[Edited 2010-08-07 17:49:25]


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 2):
I fly UA ABQ-ABQ several times a year.

Sightseeing?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7771 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

DTW-ABQ isn't going to happen. SMF and SNA are ending after this summer.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 12):
DL did operate CVG-ABQ up until the merger, but efforts in transitioning flights from CVG to DTW elsewhere (e.g. SNA, FSD) have failed.

FSD still remains


User currently offlineairguardtn From United States of America, joined May 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

It looks like I'm picking up New Mexico as part of my sales territory, so I've been hoping that MEM would get a couple of flights. The way DL has been trying to funnel some Texas traffic through MEM, I just thought ABQ would fall right into place.

25 Post contains images Alias1024 : Maybe New Mexico is looking to get into the other kind of films that are made in the San Fernando Valley.
26 TOMMY767 : Not that I know of. A good friend of mine in an executive assistant for a big time producer at WB and he has to always has book his travel as part of
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