N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10452 times:
Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1): I had a reservation on that flight, and I've been changed to a 767-300
I've had that happen to me in the past too. Good news for you, though, at least it's a 763 and not a 757!
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9959 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.
Though there will be four daily 763s on the route, a nice compromise.
Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)
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N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9781 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.
Seems like more often than not, it is a non-777 operating that flight.
windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2559 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8888 times:
Quoting N62NA (Thread starter): Is there no need anymore for the 777 to be in LAX for a backup to the LAX-NRT 777?
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8376 times:
Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech.
But I would tend to agree with you, since more often than not over the past few months - and this coming winter - that flight was/will be operated by 757/763.
MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8289 times:
Seems like this topic comes up every season...why not research ALL possibilities as to why the 777 was dropped "Again"? Airlines change fleets, schedules all the time, not sure why certain people are so obsessed with this particular "topic". Next...
futureorthopod From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7397 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 2): I've had that happen to me in the past too. Good news for you, though, at least it's a 763 and not a 757!
I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.
Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14415 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7267 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 7): Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech
That and a fair amount of high yielding traffic (some entertainment industry) on the route. I don't remember for sure, but I though someone said something about this flight actually being sold as three classes.
Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9): I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's.
The non-refurbished ones are generally considered the oldest, most uncomfortable (especially in first) aircraft in the AA fleet.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Rafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6234 times:
Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9): Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.
I've flown transcons (MIA-SFO-MIA) on both and to put it simply.
-In Y I'd take a 2-3-2 on any given day over 3-3. I know, the seat and pitch are the same, but the W/B fuselage feels more airy and you don't have double excuse me seats.
-In F... where to start? You're simply comparing the worst F seat (757) to the best (767), apart from the 777 int'l first, of course.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8791 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5086 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)
On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA.
Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9):
I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.
Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.
In Economy, 2-3-2 is nicer. In business class, AA uses international business class seats on all 767-300 flights unlike UA and DL which have special domestic only 767s. The business class seats recline well and are very comfortable. That is in comparison to the very old and outdated seats that AA has on domestic 757s.
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3915 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13): On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA
I got them on May while flying SFO-MIA in a 763.
It surprises me on MIA-GYE route, i was under the impression that such flights use the bigger PTV, the same used on MIA-GIG or MIA-SCL.
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flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6328 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3796 times:
Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9): I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.
Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.
Its not from a pilot point of view. Most AA 757s are pretty old and not very comfortable to fly on for a 5 hour flight. I hate flying on domestic AA 757s. I prefer a 738 or 763 any day, better interior and more room. And better seats.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11): That and a fair amount of high yielding traffic (some entertainment industry) on the route. I don't remember for sure, but I though someone said something about this flight actually being sold as three classes.
When the 777 is on MIA-LAX-MIA it is sold as a three class flight. There is a lot of premium traffic on this flight. Also in my experiences flying the flight about once a year there are a lot of people with elite status on the flight as well.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31157 posts, RR: 76 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3535 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 5): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.
Seems like more often than not, it is a non-777 operating that flight.
AA 299/1520 is not a 777 when the third daily MIA-EZE flight operates. Pretty simple.
It is unfortunate that MIA-LAX loses out, but such is life. It is far more important to have these planes flying internationally. Offering 3-class service on MIA-LAX is a great benefit and something AA clearly enjoys doing - even the 762 service this fall will be 3-class - but it is subject to another more important priority: international flying.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 7): Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Never has been
Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech.
Correct. If anything happens with the 777 to Tokyo, the MIA 777 is switched out. Nothing has changed. There is no "need" for this, but its simply a convenience.
Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)
On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA.
PTVs are handed out on domestic 763 trans-cons. They are not given on DFW-MIA or flights to northern South America. But new 763 J products are currently being studied and might be announced as soon as October - whatever it is, the PTVs will be incorporated into the seats.
SlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2484 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3487 times:
Couldn't the 767 be the spare aircraft for LAX-NRT still? If the flight was changed to a 757 or 737-800 then i would totally agree that the spare theory is worth nothing. Sure some passengers would be left behind but im sure the flight dosnt go out 100% full all the time, its for emergencies, and theres a JAL 777-300 that leaves minutes later.
I flew in January on an AA flight next to a very nice women who worked for AA in management. Our plane had mechanical problems and we were delayed two hours from JFK to Europe after we were onboard. I asked her if there were any spare aircraft for AA at JFK and she insisted to me that there were no spare aircraft kept in JFK period for this mission. She mentioned where all the spares were i cant remember but she insisted there were none being held at JFK period. If AA dosn't keep a spare a JFK for all of the international long haul flights i do find it hard to believe that a spare would be a top priority for the one single LAX-NRT flight? She seemed extremely knowledgeable on everything else and i know she did indeed work for AA
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3337 times:
Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 17): Our plane had mechanical problems and we were delayed two hours
This drives me absolutely nuts.
Why don't they check out the plane before loading the passengers on. I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me, the most recent being the MIA-LAX 777.
The plane clearly had been in MIA for several hours, they load us on the plane and then we sit on the plane for an hour while they fix something.
Flip all the switches before herding the pax on the plane, please!
type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4398 posts, RR: 20 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
At least they didn't make it a MD80 with a stop in DFW!
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LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11230 posts, RR: 61 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): But new 763 J products are currently being studied and might be announced as soon as October - whatever it is, the PTVs will be incorporated into the seats.
Thanks for sharing, this is something AA need to do. I just see the time wasted to install and store the PTV as not necessary in a long haul. It just delays the main service and put more time pressure on F/A's.
And i always ask if it's not something not so regular to have the portable units as announcements with a NR headphone are not spread out. I know a lot of airlines use them.... but if something severe happen ? How people using NR and portable units will be aware immediately ? There's any comment about this issue ?
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flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6328 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 18): This drives me absolutely nuts.
Why don't they check out the plane before loading the passengers on. I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me, the most recent being the MIA-LAX 777.
The plane clearly had been in MIA for several hours, they load us on the plane and then we sit on the plane for an hour while they fix something.
Flip all the switches before herding the pax on the plane, please!
Some problems come in only when the engines turn on, only when the pilots turn the APU on etc.. It wont make much sense to 'test" the plane out for possible problems before the passengers board. They cant push back, turn on the engines, start taxi etc..
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