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AA (Again) Drops 777 On MIA-LAX-MIA  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11853 times:

Just checked the winter timetable and it appears that AA has once again dropped the morning 777 on MIA-LAX-MIA.

Is there no need anymore for the 777 to be in LAX for a backup to the LAX-NRT 777?

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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

I had a reservation on that flight, and I've been changed to a 767-300

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
I had a reservation on that flight, and I've been changed to a 767-300

I've had that happen to me in the past too. Good news for you, though, at least it's a 763 and not a 757!  


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32607 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11360 times:

And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.

Though there will be four daily 763s on the route, a nice compromise.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11238 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.

Though there will be four daily 763s on the route, a nice compromise.

Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.

Seems like more often than not, it is a non-777 operating that flight.


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2712 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10167 times:

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
Is there no need anymore for the 777 to be in LAX for a backup to the LAX-NRT 777?

Never has been



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9655 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Never has been

Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech.

But I would tend to agree with you, since more often than not over the past few months - and this coming winter - that flight was/will be operated by 757/763.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

Seems like this topic comes up every season...why not research ALL possibilities as to why the 777 was dropped "Again"? Airlines change fleets, schedules all the time, not sure why certain people are so obsessed with this particular "topic". Next...


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User currently offlinefutureorthopod From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8676 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 2):
I've had that happen to me in the past too. Good news for you, though, at least it's a 763 and not a 757!

I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.

Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.

Just curious and open to learn.

Thanks guys,

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User currently offlinetriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8589 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
Is there no need anymore for the 777 to be in LAX for a backup to the LAX-NRT 777?

AA 170 flies NRT-LAX and does a turnaround in LAX to AA 169 LAX-NRT.

I have flown the 777 both ways...MIA-LAX-MIA. It is nice (any flight on a 777 is nice!  ) and it is a 3 class service.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15718 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8546 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech

That and a fair amount of high yielding traffic (some entertainment industry) on the route. I don't remember for sure, but I though someone said something about this flight actually being sold as three classes.

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9):
I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's.

The non-refurbished ones are generally considered the oldest, most uncomfortable (especially in first) aircraft in the AA fleet.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9):
Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.

I've flown transcons (MIA-SFO-MIA) on both and to put it simply.

-In Y I'd take a 2-3-2 on any given day over 3-3. I know, the seat and pitch are the same, but the W/B fuselage feels more airy and you don't have double excuse me seats.

-In F... where to start? You're simply comparing the worst F seat (757) to the best (767), apart from the 777 int'l first, of course.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9497 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):

Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)

On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA.

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9):

I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.

Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.

In Economy, 2-3-2 is nicer. In business class, AA uses international business class seats on all 767-300 flights unlike UA and DL which have special domestic only 767s. The business class seats recline well and are very comfortable. That is in comparison to the very old and outdated seats that AA has on domestic 757s.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA

I got them on May while flying SFO-MIA in a 763.
It surprises me on MIA-GYE route, i was under the impression that such flights use the bigger PTV, the same used on MIA-GIG or MIA-SCL.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting futureorthopod (Reply 9):
I am actually curious to know what's wrong with 757's. I have always enjoyed flying on them.

Or maybe I should ask what makes the 767 series better than the 757? I thought they have similar wiring and control panels, and thus pilots are trained to fly both at the same time.


Its not from a pilot point of view. Most AA 757s are pretty old and not very comfortable to fly on for a 5 hour flight. I hate flying on domestic AA 757s. I prefer a 738 or 763 any day, better interior and more room. And better seats.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
That and a fair amount of high yielding traffic (some entertainment industry) on the route. I don't remember for sure, but I though someone said something about this flight actually being sold as three classes.


When the 777 is on MIA-LAX-MIA it is sold as a three class flight. There is a lot of premium traffic on this flight. Also in my experiences flying the flight about once a year there are a lot of people with elite status on the flight as well.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32607 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And, again, it is because it is seasonally being used on the MIA-EZE daylight.

Seems like more often than not, it is a non-777 operating that flight.

AA 299/1520 is not a 777 when the third daily MIA-EZE flight operates. Pretty simple.

It is unfortunate that MIA-LAX loses out, but such is life. It is far more important to have these planes flying internationally. Offering 3-class service on MIA-LAX is a great benefit and something AA clearly enjoys doing - even the 762 service this fall will be 3-class - but it is subject to another more important priority: international flying.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Quoting windy95 (Reply 6):
Never has been

Interesting. The reason the 777 is (was) on MIA-LAX-MIA was cited by several respected A.Netters on here as being to provide a spare a/c in case the LAX-NRT 777 went tech.

Correct. If anything happens with the 777 to Tokyo, the MIA 777 is switched out. Nothing has changed. There is no "need" for this, but its simply a convenience.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):

Well, the 772 offers PTV, the 763 do not offer it, unless you're on First (which uses international business class) and then you receive a small PTV unit (not the same used on int'l long haul)

On my last three 767 flights, we did not get them in business class DFW- MIA, MIA-GYE and GYE - MIA.

PTVs are handed out on domestic 763 trans-cons. They are not given on DFW-MIA or flights to northern South America. But new 763 J products are currently being studied and might be announced as soon as October - whatever it is, the PTVs will be incorporated into the seats.

[Edited 2010-08-11 00:35:05]


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User currently offlineSlcDeltaRUmd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Couldn't the 767 be the spare aircraft for LAX-NRT still? If the flight was changed to a 757 or 737-800 then i would totally agree that the spare theory is worth nothing. Sure some passengers would be left behind but im sure the flight dosnt go out 100% full all the time, its for emergencies, and theres a JAL 777-300 that leaves minutes later.

I flew in January on an AA flight next to a very nice women who worked for AA in management. Our plane had mechanical problems and we were delayed two hours from JFK to Europe after we were onboard. I asked her if there were any spare aircraft for AA at JFK and she insisted to me that there were no spare aircraft kept in JFK period for this mission. She mentioned where all the spares were i cant remember but she insisted there were none being held at JFK period. If AA dosn't keep a spare a JFK for all of the international long haul flights i do find it hard to believe that a spare would be a top priority for the one single LAX-NRT flight? She seemed extremely knowledgeable on everything else and i know she did indeed work for AA


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4421 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting SlcDeltaRUmd11 (Reply 17):
Our plane had mechanical problems and we were delayed two hours

This drives me absolutely nuts.

Why don't they check out the plane before loading the passengers on. I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me, the most recent being the MIA-LAX 777.

The plane clearly had been in MIA for several hours, they load us on the plane and then we sit on the plane for an hour while they fix something.

Flip all the switches before herding the pax on the plane, please!


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4948 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

At least they didn't make it a MD80 with a stop in DFW!


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 19):
At least they didn't make it a MD80 with a stop in DFW!

No, instead AA reinstated the daily B772 operated MIA-DFW-MIA service. Also, AA still utilizes the B763 between LAX and DFW.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4328 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
But new 763 J products are currently being studied and might be announced as soon as October - whatever it is, the PTVs will be incorporated into the seats.

Thanks for sharing, this is something AA need to do. I just see the time wasted to install and store the PTV as not necessary in a long haul. It just delays the main service and put more time pressure on F/A's.

And i always ask if it's not something not so regular to have the portable units as announcements with a NR headphone are not spread out. I know a lot of airlines use them.... but if something severe happen ? How people using NR and portable units will be aware immediately ? There's any comment about this issue ?



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 18):
This drives me absolutely nuts.

Why don't they check out the plane before loading the passengers on. I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me, the most recent being the MIA-LAX 777.

The plane clearly had been in MIA for several hours, they load us on the plane and then we sit on the plane for an hour while they fix something.

Flip all the switches before herding the pax on the plane, please!

Some problems come in only when the engines turn on, only when the pilots turn the APU on etc.. It wont make much sense to 'test" the plane out for possible problems before the passengers board. They cant push back, turn on the engines, start taxi etc..



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