Lightbug From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
Maybe this has been discussed before, so moderators, feel free to delete or refer to previous threads. I just could not find or locate anything specific enough while searching the topic.
I am just wondering if there is room for another airline alliance in the global airline market right now. All the major ones seem to belong to one today with some exceptions, but I just read about US that may (have to) leave Star Alliance. Who would they join if that happened? Is it the CO/UA merger that could potentially have triggered this? And also, are there any major airlines that would be better served by leaving their existing alliance and teaming up with others to start their own or to be independent?
Also, Africa seems to be lacking in terms of being members of global air transportation alliances. I realize that South African is a member of Star Alliance as is Egyptair. There are several capable and well run airlines on this continent, and I just wonder why alliances have been so reluctant to team up with other African players (Kenya Airways & Ethiopian...both respectacle carriers).
ahlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
Kenya Airways is a member of Skyteam and Ethiopian is looking to join Star. There really aren't many big airlines left that aren't in an alliance. I mean what airline would the new alliance have in Europe?
Lightbug From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
Quoting ahlfors (Reply 1): Kenya Airways is a member of Skyteam and Ethiopian is looking to join Star. There really aren't many big airlines left that aren't in an alliance. I mean what airline would the new alliance have in Europe?
I thought Kenya Airways was just a "junior" member (or associate member at this time). I am also thinking of several Asian or Middle-Eastern carries not in an alliance at all. Emirates comes to mind. Would they benefit from being in an alliance today? At the rate they are growing, they may not need strategic partners except for codeshare.
I realize that European and North American carriers have domineered the founding of alliances, so maybe no new takers there. But one of my questions is how every airline benefits. With mergers both in Europe and here in the US, these marriages have mostly been within alliances. Can't be an easy task to work out due to anti-trust considerations, and it may not be the best fit in the end either. I guess joining an alliance would fall outside of anti-trust legislation as opposed to mergers, so maybe there is no issue related to this at all.
rampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3177 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
I think it's conceivable that an airline could defect out of an existing alliance if a better opportunity arose. CO did. US probably should. And if major, they could form the core of a new alliance. Who says we have to limit to 3 alliances? The ones we have seem to have trememdous overlap: do I need 13 airlines in Europe, when a few well-placed ones will do? Does Star really need 3 large network airlines in the US?? That leaves some leftovers if the overlap is trimmed, and room for another alliance.
I could also see niche alliances. Virign and like airlines together. Leisure oriented airlines. Small independent regional airlines.
VC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3070 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2973 times:
Perhaps some uber elegant, 6 star service network that just plane snobbery! It would/should cost more (like the 4 seasons)
Singapore, Emerates, Qatar, etc. Recently I checked first class on SQ to the USA then had to go to Richmond as a connection in the US. It was like checking into a 4 Season's but spending the last night at Marriott Courtyrard. Singapore doesn't fly to RIC.
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Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2972 times:
Quoting edichc (Reply 7): Difficult but not impossible, there are the likes of EI and Air Asia X that could offer such an element to a LCC alliance.Didn't EI consider some of partnership with JetBlue at some point?
Well, that's if you consider EI to be a LCC. I consider them more of a hybrid along the lines of US.
The problem with the LCC concept is that its hard to apply to long haul international travel. Stage length, increased catering, and fuel bring the costs of flying up to legacy levels when intercontinental flying is involved. At that point, why pay similiar prices and fly a no-frills airline?
Another issue is how do you mesh the WN model with a foreign carrier? Can WN provide a decent amount of feed to D7?
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extspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
Maybe when SQ sells its stake, but at the moment it is still very star-y, and as what was saide previously once an airline is alligned with a specific alliance, even if not a member it is rare for them to change sides again.
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