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AirTran’s MLI To ATL To End But Gains MLI To RSW  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3144 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

It was announced today that AirTran will cease their flight to ATL from MLI on November 30, 2010. However Delta still offers the flight so the Quad Cities is not without service to that destination. AirTran in the first quarter of 2011 will add MLI to RSW.


Courtesy: Quad-City Times

AirTran’s Q-C Service To Atlanta To End

http://qctimes.com/business/article_...6-a4ab-11df-9459-001cc4c03286.html

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User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

This is a big reduction in service. I am guessing RSW will not be a daily flight.

MLI and BMI are similar markets, and DL has been very aggressive in adding seats from ATL to both MLI and BMI (5x daily CR7 or CR9). I hope we don't lose FL service to Atlanta here at BMI also.


User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 1):
This is a big reduction in service. I am guessing RSW will not be a daily flight



I doubt it will start daily. FL has been adding a lot of seasonal weekly service lately to RSW. This will bring the current list of cities served from RSW to 15. ROC will also be starting this winter as well.


User currently onlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

I wonder how long it will be before we see cuts on the DL flight to ATL, now that the competition is gone. I hope we will eventually see 2X DSM-ATL...wishful thinking...

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Surprised they didn't give them 2-3x CRJs to MKE, you would think FL would have built up some decent goodwill within the community after all these years to support network service, and esp if they are still flying 3x ATL.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3144 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 1):
I am guessing RSW will not be a daily flight.

Courtesy: Quad City International Airport - Press Release

"Preliminary discussions indicate Fort Myers service would be on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, complimenting the Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday service to Orlando."


What's New At QCIA

http://qcairport.com/news


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

Interesting, as that has been a route FL has been flying out of ATL since the merger of the Airlines side and the Airways side, as the Airways side was flying it from MCO before the hubs were consolidated at ATL. I'm guessing that the bulk of the MLI passengers historically have been headed to MCO (hence that service being restarted some time ago) and RSW (hence the new service). I know when I was working for FL 11 years ago, the flights to MLI from ATL typically had a lot of bags off of MCO-ATL flights.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 1):
I hope we don't lose FL service to Atlanta here at BMI also.

I highly doubt that will happen. As far as I know, FL does fine at BMI and they have been here for a long time.

Quoting krsw757 (Reply 2):
FL has been adding a lot of seasonal weekly service lately to RSW

I imagine they are continuing to hedge their bets against DL in ATL.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

So the question becomes where will that extra plane be deployed to? Will it increase frequency or will it be used to open something new? I cant imagine there will be any new cities announced until next year?


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User currently offlineCitrus737ROC From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6700 times:

Very interesting news!!!

I really hope that the ROC tag in there is actually true. As a fellow upstate new yorker now living in TPA, seeing ROC getting another new city is definately a plus for the area. It's been a while since ROC got anything new!! Now they just have to re-add FLL back and that will complete the board!!

Cheers!


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

I have always dreaded hearing this news, but it was still a little surprising. I recently flew FL MLI-ATL-JAX-ATL-MLI and 3/4 flights were full. The ATL-MLI segment was the lightest, but still well above 75% I'd say. BMI beware!

I don't want to be a pessimist, but I am expecting some pretty significant cuts in the future from DL now that they were able to get rid of their competition on the ATL route. I am also hoping that we can get some MKE flights, as I think those would make a lot of sense. If not, maybe we can get some kind of F9 service.

Stinks, because I think we had a decent shot at hitting 1m arrivals/departures this year.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

One more thing. Does anyone know if we will have any connection opportunities out of MCO after these changes? The current route map shows that there are a few connections you can make MLI-MCO, but most of the other cities that have MCO service but not ATL service only have a connection to Puerto Rico.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6655 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 10):
I don't want to be a pessimist, but I am expecting some pretty significant cuts in the future from DL now that they were able to get rid of their competition on the ATL route.

I would say that those concerns are more than justified.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Quoting Citrus737ROC (Reply 9):
I really hope that the ROC tag in there is actually true

Indeed it is. Service starts Nov. 20th.

I agree it might be better if they perhaps connected through MKE with a couple of crj's instead of going through ATL. We'll see what happens.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting krsw757 (Reply 2):
FL has been adding a lot of seasonal weekly service lately to RSW. This will bring the current list of cities served from RSW to 15. ROC will also be starting this winter as well.

My folks just moved down to RSW this year and it never ceases to amaze me how well known the area is - more folks seem to know Naples and Sanibel than South Beach and Clearwater! FL seems to be doing very well out of RSW, which is great news not just for them but also for Southwest Florida. A win-win!



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6467 times:

wow this is pretty shocking news, FL to ATL and beyond has made MLI a success story with their lower fares, drawing in people from here at CID. You can bet ATL fares will sky rocket, I wonder if DL will eventually pull ATL service altogether and route pax through MSP, DTW and MEM like they do here at CID and have done also at PIA, MSN, etc. Bad news for MLI.

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6429 times:

Quoting kbmiflyer (Reply 1):
DL has been very aggressive in adding seats from ATL to both MLI and BMI (5x daily CR7 or CR9).

I think we will see this change once FL is out of the ATL route. I could see them going to 2 or 3x daily CRJ's to ATL, or even pulling out of the non stop ATL route altogether and force pax through MSP, DTW or MEM. DL was being aggressive against FL, they apparently won the battle there (not surprising as NWA was always 2nd in market share at MLI and they inherited all those pax). Will be interesting to see how and if this route changes for DL....


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6423 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 16):
I think we will see this change once FL is out of the ATL route. I could see them going to 2 or 3x daily CRJ's to ATL, or even pulling out of the non stop ATL route altogether and force pax through MSP, DTW or MEM.

I think that they will probably keep at least one to facilitate easy connections to MCO.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

I was told this would happen last spring by a high school classmate of mine that works for Delta Connection on the ground in Moline. At the time, I thought it was just a rumor, but apparently it was not. This is really bad news for anyone that lives near the Quad Cities, and for those who frequently use the Moline Airport, sorry the Quad City International Airport. The traffic at MLI has increased tremendously because of AirTran and its low fares. AirTran's connecting service from Atlanta to most major cities forced Delta, ( and before the merger, Northwest) United, and American to keep their fares to cities like New York, Philadelphia, Miami and many others much lower than the fares from surrounding areas like Cedar Rapids, Peoria and Des Moines. With AirTran no longer offering service to Atlanta, they will only be offering flights to Orlando and Ft. Meyers, but those flights don't have connecting service to anywhere. In the recent past, traffic at MLI has increased from usage by passengers that drove to Moline from Cedar Rapids, Iowa City, Peoria and other places. That traffic will disappear, and as it does, the number of flights in and out of Moline will decline and fares will go up. The more fares go up, the fewer passengers there will be. Delta's service to Atlanta will survive for a while but look for the number of flights to be reduced, and the return of the 50 seat CRJ-100 and 200. Moline's airport growth will end on November 30, 2010. This is indeed bad news for the Quad City traveler, and the Quad City International Airport.

User currently onlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Does anyone think MLI-RSW is somewhat of a "severance package" given to MLI? Were taking this away, but were giving you this!

Hardly a good deal. It will bite them in the butt in the long run...

MLI-RSW might fail and DL is only going to reduce MLI-ATL service...


User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 19):
Hardly a good deal. It will bite them in the butt in the long run...

I agree. They are so afraid of excess capacity (as if they could solve that issue for the industry) that they are robbing peter to pay paul. Where do you draw the line and stick with a market? When a carrier starts canning flights to their main hub (giving up all those connections) if favor of a G4 type of schedule to RSW, there no commitment to anything.

Are these guys ever going to grow again and start taking some aircraft or will they keep moving around deck chairs on the Titanic?


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Quoting quickmover (Reply 20):
Are these guys ever going to grow again and start taking some aircraft or will they keep moving around deck chairs on the Titanic?

I know they can be frustrating at times to say the least, but they will take aircraft every year from 2011 forward and will resume growth. They will take alot more planes in 2013 then in 11 or 12. 6 planes in 11 8 in 2012. I think they are playing it a little to cautiously, at some point they have to resume a higher growth rate. 2011 should be a good expansion year. Also if they would just view orlando as a true hub they could really capitalize on it better then anything G4 could do.



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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6120 times:

I am hoping they will maybe give us a 2x to MKE at some point. They won't be in direct competition with DL, although DL's MSP and DTW hubs aren't too far away. That would also allow them to compete directly with DL on less routes, and continue to grow their MKE hub.

Anyone think they axed MLI to give DSM service to ATL?

I still can't wrap my head around them dropping all service. DL must've really killed the yields.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6079 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Surprised they didn't give them 2-3x CRJs to MKE,

That's really up to OO since they take the risk on those flights.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 22):
Anyone think they axed MLI to give DSM service to ATL?

Anything is possible, but I doubt it. FL will continue to struggle against DL on many of these small markets from ATL.


User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

I hate to see competition leave a market, but I've flown to MLI several times over the past few years and it was always cheaper and more convenient for me to fly DL or NW. I'm not looking forward to paying more as fares to MLI are sure to go up. I wouldn't be surprised if it will now be as cost effective for me to fly to CID (my usual destination anyway).

25 IADLHR : On the surface it may seem a severance package, but by studying the analysis it kind of makes sense, strange as it may be. I cant say that I am reall
26 MLI717fan : That is interesting. I plan to continue to support AirTran, and will probably fly them next time I go to JAX and just rent a car MCO-JAX. I also was
27 Post contains images enilria : and there in lies the travesty of DL flying the route in the first place. Why fight for something you don't even want? I also don't doubt they will d
28 Cubsrule : What evidence is there that Delta doesn't want it?
29 Kcrwflyer : DL doesn't want to have to match low fares to every major city in the US.... thats what the fight is about, not just ATL. H no. MLI has been in the s
30 Post contains images Acey559 : If you don't mind me asking, Miles, who might this be? I'm honestly feeling a little optimistic about DL cutting service. They might reduce a flight,
31 Kcrwflyer : There's really no reason for that to happen. At FL's fares.. probably even lower. They suck either way. FL's fares remember.. They're the biggest her
32 MLI717fan : Now that Delta can claim victory, at MLI, do you think they will throw even more seats at BMI? BMI is an even smaller airport (about 1/2 as many pax
33 BMI727 : Maybe if they don't mind losing money. Delta seems less concerned with that and more worried about their search and destroy mission with AirTran.
34 Acey559 : Off topic and maybe not exactly pertinent, but I was talking to my boss at work yesterday and he was telling me, without me even mentioning FL leaving
35 Kcrwflyer : If they keep the fare low, they can fill those seats. I dont understand why they wouldn't just jack the fares sky high and put all CR2 on the route a
36 enilria : We'll see. I bet it closes. It'll take a while, though. I just don't see them gumming up ATL with MLI flights unless they are doing it to spite FL. W
37 Kcrwflyer : Youre right and wrong.... DL makes a killing in the small cities. At the same time, FL being on ATL-LGA lowers the fares on 10 md 80s vs lowering the
38 Acey559 : The Quad Cities has a metro population of around 370,000 so it isn't exactly tiny, although there are of course bigger markets out there. We have some
39 FlyPNS1 : Just ask the folks in CID, PIA, MSN, CMI about what happened to their ATL flights. Even more so, routes like MLI-ATL are less needed since the merger
40 quickmover : DL really seems to be putting the pressure on FL lately. Wouldn't it be ironic if all the added pressure resulted in a weakend FL to the point that So
41 enilria : OK, but again FL isn't going out of business, so do you want those planes in MLI-ATL or LGA/BOS/DCA/MCI/STL/MCO-ATL. The decision is pretty easy it s
42 Buddys747 : One only has to look at ABE and MDT. As soon as FL pulled the plug to ATL, DL response was less frequency and CRJ's. Competition is what it is, I jus
43 MLI717fan : Interestingly enough, those cities both have FL service to ATL on a seasonal level. At this point I'd take ANYTHING to keep some kind of connection p
44 GlobalCabotage : Maybe MLI will start calling itself Chicago West someday! This will probably open up a whole new can of worms.
45 skyymarc : When I was with FL and worked the MLI - ATL flights, the overwhelming majority of our passengers were going to MCO. I wonder if MLI-MCO will eventuall
46 Kcrwflyer : No FC in CRW, dont hold your breath. Skybus is gone.
47 iowaman : Same with CID. MLI is a somewhat larger market than CID, so they may be lucky to hold onto a couple CRJ's to ATL. CID lost theirs, however DSM is abl
48 Cubsrule : What do you mean by "legacy jet air service?" Do you mean jet service by a legacy carrier? There are plenty of smaller cities that have jets - places
49 Kcrwflyer : Probably mainline jets.. oh and G4 doesnt count.
50 MLI717fan : Oh yeah, I'm certainly not counting on it. I was just pointing out that they aren't concerned with first class, and were more concerned with eating i
51 Post contains images enilria : If you can't concede that MLI has a small population for its service then as Mariner likes to say...I shrug. The population of Moline proper is only
52 Cubsrule : No, I'll readily concede that. But it's not particularly small to have jet service.
53 Kcrwflyer : Mainline jets though?
54 iowaman : That is true, however SLC service comes and goes, CVG disappears this fall, and STL is gone as of this Spring. Luckily as you've said DSM has picked
55 MLI717fan : No mainline. Just a bunch of CRJs, ERJs, and E-Jets. Besides AirTran. DSM is also going to lose LGA service if I'm not mistaken, but the losses of CV
56 BMI727 : MLI and BMI both probably fight somewhat above their weights since both are home to large companies. PIA probably gets the same effect as well.
57 CIDflyer : you can say that again. CID was doing awesome about 2-3 years ago, we were getting flights to LGA and also had CVG and ATL flights. ATL even went to
58 BMI727 : Delta rationalizing their route system. How smart their move was probably depends mostly on where those passengers were connecting to.
59 Cubsrule : They are, and it's important not to read too much in to those losses (or, for that matter, changes to DL or UA/CO service patterns post merger). He n
60 planespotting : Damn! Get married, go on a honeymoon, move to a new city and start a new job in the span of 10 days and you're bound to miss big news like this. I jus
61 milesrich : advantages to not being "large".[/quote] Airports serve metropolitan areas. The population of the city of Cincinnati, Ohio is only about 333,000. Atl
62 atlengineer : I understand your point, but just for information, the Atlanta metropolitan population is 5.4 million, and most all of that is within about a 30 mile
63 FlyPNS1 : True, but that assumes DL keeps fares at Airtran levels. However, I doubt DL will do that as FL yields on a CRJ700 = losing money. With FL gone, DL w
64 milesrich : Not to be argumentative, but I live off Holcomb Bridge Road in the Johns Creek/Alpharetta/Roswell area, and its a good 35-40 minutes to Hartsfield wh
65 atlengineer : Milesrich: You are so right. Traffic in Atlanta is a real bear when you are out there along with everyone else who wants to get somewhere. Here, we s
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