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US A332 Delivery Schedule And Route Possibilities  
User currently offlinewill777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

US has another 18 A332's on order. I know that they are only scheduled to receive 2 of them this year (not sure if they have gotten them yet). When are the rest supposed to arrive? Is it going to be just two more per year, or 5 or more a year? Also, what are the route possibilities going to be for these new aircraft?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

US will not be receiving any more 332's this year (284AY and 285AY were delivered in March 2010). I believe the deliveries are set to resume in late 2011 - no clue on the schedule.

Hopefully the 332's will replace the tired 767 fleet, but PHL-IST has long been rumored and would make sense with the recent TK/US codeshare.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting will777 (Thread starter):
US has another 18 A332's on order.

Quite obviously correct but there must be some doubt about 10 of those. US originally ordered A330s with PW. They took 9 x A330-300 but not 10 x A330-200. Then they placed a new order for 15 A332s (10 in October 2007 and 5 more the following month) but selected RR. Seven of these have been delivered with eight more to come (5 in 2013 and 3 in 2014 according to the current JP Fleets). But the 10 with PW have been pushed out till 2019-2021.

My guess is that the RR order replaced the order for PW-powered planes but that both US and Airbus have agreed to leave it on the books until such time as US want to convert it to orders for other models.

I struggle to think of any other explanation.

Put it this way - all of US's 22 A350s (including 18 x A350-800 with a seating configuration only marginally greater than on their A332s) are due to be delivered before US start to take delivery of these last 10 PW-powered A332s. It seems hard to believe that these planes will ever be built.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 1):
PHL-IST has long been rumored and would make sense with the recent TK/US codeshare.

Bingo. Additionally, I believe one of the 332's will replace the 767 on the ATH route.

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 1):
Hopefully the 332's will replace the tired 767 fleet

Tired? AA's 762's are almost 30 years old, and they are still kicking their heels.

I believe in about 5-10 years, US will retire the 767s from European/South American flying and switch them to High Density domestic/North American routes. (Already, the 767 flies CLT-PHL several times a day, as well as CLT-MBJ and CLT-AUA. Not sure about PHL routes).

Regarding the A332 and new routes, look for PHX-FRA and PHL-CAI.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Already, the 767 flies CLT-PHL several times a day, as well as CLT-MBJ and CLT-AUA

Yes CLT-MBJ is a 762 everyday except Saturday, CLT-AUA is a 762 only on Saturday, and CLT-STT is a 762 only on Saturday. CLT-PUJ is a 762 everyday except Monday. I am surprised they decided to put the 762 on these three routes instead on either SJU/CUN.

That said, that seems like a poor waste of limited 767s.

[Edited 2010-08-11 20:29:11]

[Edited 2010-08-11 20:38:57]

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
CLT-PUJ is a 762 everyday except Monday.

Wow, I didn't even know about that one.

Oh, on top of those you usually get the 762 "subsitution" on CLT/PHL-MCO.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
That said, that seems like a poor waste of limited 767s.

As long as they are going out full, thats fine. I'd rather see them use those birds on CLT-MAD or a 2nd daily FRA from CLT.



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Keep in mind that one of those B767s was dedicated to CLT-HNL up until 31Jul. Also, one of the B767s that is used for CLT-GIG can make an island turn between the time it lands in CLT at 600a and departs for GIG at 1030p that evening.

User currently offlinefrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Quoting will777 (Thread starter):
As long as they are going out full, thats fine. I'd rather see them use those birds on CLT-MAD or a 2nd daily FRA from CLT.

How about with a high RASM as well!


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5572 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Tired? AA's 762's are almost 30 years old, and they are still kicking their heels.

But they aren't used on key TA routes, rather important domestic markets.


In the past US has used the 762 on PHL-MBJ, STT, CUN, SJU, MCO. Although mostly during the winter when there are some spare 762s. I am not sure what the current 762 rotation looks like out of PHL.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 6):
Keep in mind that one of those B767s was dedicated to CLT-HNL up until 31Jul

I believe thats the bird thats operating PUJ.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 8):
But they aren't used on key TA routes, rather important domestic markets.

Which I believe US will do, when they get more A332s.



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User currently offlinestaralliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 9):
Quoting usairways85 (Reply 8):
But they aren't used on key TA routes, rather important domestic markets.

Which I believe US will do, when they get more A332s.

Speaking of which, what are the current domestic A330 routes that US is running?



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User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 1):
Hopefully the 332's will replace the tired 767 fleet

Tired? AA's 762's are almost 30 years old, and they are still kicking their heels.

I'm assuming you've been on one? I'd hardly call US or AA's 767-200 fleets young. It is pretty common knowledge in the company that the 332's to be delivered were intended as replacement birds for the 767's.


User currently offlinewill777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Quoting staralliance38 (Reply 10):
Speaking of which, what are the current domestic A330 routes that US is running?

The only current domestic A330 route is PHL-CLT 1x daily on an A332. Unless you can consider PHL-SJU to be domestic, which is served at least during the winter with an A333.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 11):

I'm assuming you've been on one? I'd hardly call US or AA's 767-200 fleets young. It is pretty common knowledge in the company that the 332's to be delivered were intended as replacement birds for the 767's.

Yes I have been on them. And they are fine. I like the company 762 better than the 333.



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User currently offlinesilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2071 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
(Already, the 767 flies CLT-PHL several times a day, as well as CLT-MBJ and CLT-AUA. Not sure about PHL routes)

When did they start with the 762 to AUA? I've never seen that before.


User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 13):
Yes I have been on them. And they are fine. I like the company 762 better than the 333.

We'll agree to disagree on this one. They need to be recycled along with the 733/734 fleet. The tech issues, NEF's and MEL's on the 733/734/762 fleets make Mesa's CR9's look reliable. Third world countries have newer aircraft.


User currently offlineSR4ever From Luxembourg, joined Mar 2010, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

I see 3 different uses for the coming 332s.

New routes:

PHL-BBI
PHL-MXP
PHL-IST
PHL-CAI

PHX-FRA

CLT-ZRH
CLT-MAN
CLT-MAD


Upgauge of existing routes from 752s:

PHL-BRU (as BRU is now a *A hub)


767 replacement on TATL routes

PHL-BCN
PHL-DUB
PHL-ZRH


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I think the biggest problem is that 332's are 40% larger than the 762's so they can never truly be an even replacement. You will see 332's on new routes that are too long for the 762 and on existing 762 routes that demand more seats.

User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 17):
I think the biggest problem is that 332's are 40% larger than the 762's so they can never truly be an even replacement

Huh??? While the 330-200 is certainly larger and seats more, its nowhere near 40%. My math puts it closer to 20%.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 16):
CLT-ZRH
CLT-MAN
CLT-MAD

CLT-ZRH will work, probably on a 3-4x weekly service could cater to banking and biz travelers, possibly could operate on a subsidy.

PHL-MAN does really well, a lot of cargo on that flight. I dunno about CLT flight though, maybe would work on a 757.

CLT-MAD is expected, hopefully will be announced this fall.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 16):
PHL-MXP

The flight didn't even do well on a 767.



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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6214 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

If PHL-MXP returns I highly doubt it will be on a 330-200, it would go to a 762. From my understanding and what I have heard is that the 762 while old and not in the best shape of it's life is going to be kept for a couple of years now. Originally the 332 was intended as a replacement for the 762 but it kind of morphed more into an aircraft used to expand the TATL fleet. A route that needs the 332 badly is ATH, not necesarily because of the extra seats but more for the range.
I would love for PHL-CAI and PHL-IST, Im keeping my fingers crossed.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

What amazes me is just how much TATL flights LCC has with such a miniscule widebody fleet. I realize some of the routes are now flown with 757's, but still, their widebody fleet is laughable.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3055 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 21):
What amazes me is just how much TATL flights LCC has with such a miniscule widebody fleet.

I know. It is pretty amazing. US has 23 flights daily to Europe. While its less than UA or AA. UA and AA chose frequency, US chose choice. US flies to more destinations in Europe than UA and AA.

US flies to all AA destinations in Europe except Milan, US flies to all UA destinations in Europe except Moscow and Geneva.

American doesn't fly to Amsterdam, Oslo, Venice, Glasgow, Munich, Lisbon, Athens, and Gatwick.

United doesn't fly to Athens, Dublin, Venice, Oslo, Lisbon, Barcelona, Madrid, Glasgow, Manchester, or Gatwick.



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