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F9 To Start DSM-DEN  
User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

All I can say is, it's about time...

http://www.dsmairport.com/PDF/8-11-10%20DSM-DEN%20Svc%20Anncmnt.pdf

2 issues with the new "flight"...

A. 1 flight a day, really?
B. Horribly timed flight out of DSM

Oh well, beggars can't be choosy.

Also DL is increasing DSM service
http://www.dsmairport.com/PDF/0802%2...Delta%20Service%20Enhancements.pdf

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25403 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3640 times:
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Quoting evanbu (Thread starter):
A. 1 flight a day, really?
B. Horribly timed flight out of DSM

Oh well, beggars can't be choosy.

It is almost exactly the same schedule as for DEN-MSN-DEN - also 1 x daily - and that's been gangbusters. LOL.

mariner

[Edited 2010-08-11 15:58:44]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5460 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

Congrat's to the folks in DSM for scoring some new service, from TWO airlines!

Quoting evanbu (Thread starter):
A. 1 flight a day, really?
B. Horribly timed flight out of DSM

Oh well, beggars can't be choosy.

   You got that last remark right!

For O&D traffic, the F9 times are not too bad and for connectors it looks like the DSM-DEN trip will pick up the western destinations through the last w/b bank. Seems OK to me.

bb


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

I think this is a great move. Another flight from DEN to a market that WN doesn't serve. F9 needs to differentiate itself from WN as much as it can (unique destinations served) to keep a loyal Denver FF base!


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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1311 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 3):
I think this is a great move. Another flight from DEN to a market that WN doesn't serve.

  

Not counting ASE and RAP since F9 is closing those stations, I believe DSM will bring the total to 30 markets served nonstop by F9 from DEN and not served by WN.

We know F9 is looking at BZE, LIR, GCM, MBJ and Roatan, so let's keep the list growing.

[Edited 2010-08-11 16:57:17]


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

How very very competitive against UA's 5 (3 mainline) flights................

User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 5):

How very very competitive against UA's 5 (3 mainline) flights................


How will this effect UA's DSM-DEN service? Increase? Larger equipment?

Any chance AirTran will move MLI-ATL to DSM-ATL?


User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1311 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 5):
How very very competitive against UA's 5 (3 mainline) flights


Your definition of competitive isn't the same for everyone, thank goodness. F9 does extremely well with many one flight a day markets.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25403 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3356 times:
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Quoting evanbu (Reply 6):
How will this effect UA's DSM-DEN service? Increase? Larger equipment?

Possibly much the same effect as at MSN. Or GRR. Or SBA.

Quoting evanbu (Reply 6):
Any chance AirTran will move MLI-ATL to DSM-ATL?

I suppose they may. I'm not sure why they would do so because of this.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Any additional new F9 destinations in the pipeline?


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25403 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3293 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 9):
Any additional new F9 destinations in the pipeline?

For this winter? Hard to say. I guess the fleet is going to be pretty tight as they make some transitions, with 4 x A318 leaving.

Things start to loosen up next January when the new A320's start arriving, but it will be a month or three before we hear of the plans, I guess.

Whenever I ask, people tell me to "stay tuned" - LOL.

mariner



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 6):
Any chance AirTran will move MLI-ATL to DSM-ATL?

Probably not. Even if DSM one day gets ATL, it's got little to do with MLI.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
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Great news! This really is Iowa's only low-fare carrier link to a decent sized hub. I agree the times aren't the greatest, but this will do well and it does allow for a fair amount of connections both way.

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Good to see! Would be great to see F9 in even more medium sized market (and more in the East)!


Finally made it to an airline mecca!
User currently offlineoswegobag From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

I am still waiting on MKE-BUF and DEN-BUF! These would be a golden markets with the Canadian pax. Who will be first? Airtran or Frontier to MKE or Southwest or Frontier to DEN?

Looking for some feedback  


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25403 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2758 times:
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Quoting oswegobag (Reply 14):
I am still waiting on MKE-BUF and DEN-BUF!

  

Quoting oswegobag (Reply 14):
Looking for some feedback

You got it. I'd love to see MKE-BUF. I'm not so sure about DEN-BUF, because I think that slightly defeats the purpose of the MKE hub, but hey, they want to fly it, I'll cheer.  

mariner



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User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Call me crazy, but if G4, FL, or F9 did 1X weekly DSM-CUN, it WOULD be profitable.

User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 5):
How very very competitive against UA's 5 (3 mainline) flights................

Indeed, for F9's sake hopefully their lower costs will help them out here.

Quoting oswegobag (Reply 14):
I am still waiting on MKE-BUF and DEN-BUF! These would be a golden markets with the Canadian pax. Who will be first? Airtran or Frontier to MKE or Southwest or Frontier to DEN?

BUF would would be a nice addition to their network, but if I had to bet who would be first, I'd say AirTran to MKE as they already have a decent presence in BUF and it would simply be a matter of connecting the dots, though F9 has aircraft that are better-size for such a market and could probably easily do 2-3 daily to MKE IMO. DEN-BUF is too long and thin of a market I think and I agree with mariner, BUF is the type of city that the MKE hub is there for.


User currently offlineboydatageek From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 17):
DEN-BUF is too long and thin of a market

I think that of the two DEN-BUF makes more sense than MKE-BUF.

The key IS the Canadian market, and the amount of O/D to MKE I believe is very small and mostly business traffic, which will and can fly N/S from Toronto. The more price sensitive markets leisure markets for which driving over the Peace Bridge make sense are in the mountains and the west, from which there are fewer connections in MKE.

Not the highest priority in my opinion, which would be CRP-DEN.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 16):
Call me crazy, but if G4, FL, or F9 did 1X weekly DSM-CUN, it WOULD be profitable.

You're crazy. There I said it. That would only work around spring break..so maybe if they did it during march. Besides that, I'd expect to see something much crazier like Soutwest or jetBlue coming to DSM on anything other than a weather diversion or an emergency landing.

Besides, DSM doesn't have the customs capabilities to handle a large flight on a regular basis. There isn't even customs in the terminal building.

[Edited 2010-08-12 16:32:38]

User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

But there is customs in DSM...

User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 16):
Call me crazy, but if G4, FL, or F9 did 1X weekly DSM-CUN, it WOULD be profitable.

G4 has been successful with their business model of flying pax from cold to warm weather climates and vice versa. I think they could make it work. With the frequencies G4 uses (ie. everything but daily), it could work. However, they may have to restrict it to seasonal flying.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25403 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
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Quoting boydatageek (Reply 18):
The key IS the Canadian market, and the amount of O/D to MKE I believe is very small and mostly business traffic, which will and can fly N/S from Toronto.

I think it is much more about feeding from the network at MKE.

OMA-MKE-BUF, SDF-MKE-BUF or IND-MKE-BUF, just as some examples, are - I think - more attractive than going through DEN.

Quoting boydatageek (Reply 18):
Not the highest priority in my opinion, which would be CRP-DEN.

Whereas I'd go for MCI-CRP.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting evanbu (Reply 20):
But there is customs in DSM...

There is, but it's not at the passenger terminal. It's in a separate building, and I heard once that it's only capable of handling flights of up to 21 passengers. I'm not sure if that second part is true, but being in a separate building..not equipped with a jetbridge..would be very inconvenient for the airline and passengers.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3828 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 17):
Indeed, for F9's sake hopefully their lower costs will help them out here.

Yeah, that and the revenue guarantee they're probably getting.


25 boydatageek : I would not go through MKE from BUF. There is little of interest for a non-business traveler between geographically between MKE and DEN. All of the i
26 n7371f : Wow BUF would be a stunner! Not sure if anyone has been to BUF in the past few years, but there is very little positive happening economically. It's t
27 oswegobag : Nothing in Buf? It is the 3rd busiest airport in New York State (over 5.5 million pax in 2008) and the largest airport in upstate NY. You also have o
28 n7371f : You didn't read what I wrote...I was referring to the ECONOMY in Buffalo, not the airport. Yes, Buffalo has decent service via airlines. I know. I've
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