gauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 16353 times:
another thing would be to have an evening/night departure in contrast to the current timetable to enhance connections and reduce transit times from wherever in the world youre travelling
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2388 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16205 times:
Much better to focus in the markets you have already, to avoid competition, before starting new ones.... that´s a mistake many new airlines do.... start many new routes before adding freqs to the existing ones...
As usual the question is here, A380?? with so many in order.... probably one of them could become a A380 and the other one remain B777 if they need more capacity... it´s a good option....
LAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 8074 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 16093 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 1): I guess with a 2nd daily service to IAH, we can forget service to DFW in the near future.
Yeah, I think thats a pretty safe assumption. Oh well, maybe EY will step in. I do know they have recently preformed a market analysis at DFW. How it turned out, I have no clue.
EK is taking a different approach than what people are predicting they would. People thought they would try and connect the dots with all kinds of new cities in the US, but what seems more likely is that they are going to beef up what they have for a while.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27311 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15998 times:
I posted a few weeks back that a 2nd flight LAX was in the cards.
It truly amazing how well Emirates has done since its launch two years ago, and surprisingly without the need for heavy discounting or much wheeling and dealing with the travel agent community. People from far and wide flock to the flights paying top dollar.
The Winter schedule is:
EK217 DXB-LAX 0315-0745 *new*
EK215 DXB-LAX 0820-1250
COflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15797 times:
Excellent news for IAH and LAX.
At IAH, it was a matter of time before either EK or QR went to double daily. The loads on both carriers are around 90%+ for most of the year. What's been a pleasant surprise is how well the back of the plane is filling up out of IAH. Lots of India-bound passengers. I think the big loser in the market has been AF which is down to just a daily flight. AF has been hit hard by CO's move to Star Alliance and probably through onward connections from CDG.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10352 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15752 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9): It truly amazing how well Emirates has done since its launch two years ago, and surprisingly without the need for heavy discounting or much wheeling and dealing with the travel agent community. People from far and wide flock to the flights paying top dollar.
That is indeed a good achievement. How are EK's prices generally speaking? Are they expensive to fly with or not? I remember reading in the past that EK (or maybe all the major Middle Eastern airlines) is (are) relatively cheap compared to European carriers. Is this true? I think EK, QR (and EY to a lesser extend) will become a real thread to the world's airlines with their big expansions. I just hope it will not impact the worldwide aviation in a negative way.What will happen to the value of brandnew and secondhand aircraft if these airlines start replacing their relatively new aircraft? How will that impact sales of brandnew aircraft? Will prices for these secondhand aircraft increase because of their relatively young age and good condition? In any case, the things that these Middle Eastern airlines are doing, is very impressive to say the least. Good luck!!!
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21910 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14998 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 5): As usual the question is here, A380?? with so many in order.... probably one of them could become a A380 and the other one remain B777 if they need more capacity... it´s a good option....
IAH is a perfect route for an A380 for EK, because an A380 would effectively replace 2 777LRs unless both 77Ls go out full every day with all high yield pax.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14828 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 14): The only odd man out is MIA, but i had my doubts it was ever going to happen anyways.
Why? At MIA, EK could capture international pax from Central America, South America, the Caribbean etc. and provide connections to other Middle Eastern cities. Also, both RJ and TK served MIA in the past; hopefully they will return in due course.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14786 times:
With A345s being taken off Aussie routes and replaced by 77Ls, the 77L sub-fleet is being worked quite hard by EK; wonder if we will see some more being ordered. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the A345 fleet were retired (or reduced) in favour of more 77Ls.
Does anyone know when EK's next 77W deliveries are expected ... they haven't had any new ones for at least a couple months!
miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14765 times:
MIA is a very expensive airport to operate at. Plus there has been rumours that EK will serve CCS and BOG first and this will ruin MIA's chance because it would steal Dubai passengers who would conncet through MIA. Personally i dont see EK expanding any further in North America, i think they're content with serving 4 destinations and i dont see it going any further then that.
denklug From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14653 times:
Quoting KissK (Reply 13): Just called by travel agent, they says there system reflects EK213 (new IAH service) being served with a B77W
My sources say EK213/214 will be ops with 77WP on day1 and 77LU on days 2-7
EK217/218 is a daily 7LU
However, there are bad news for the folks down-under:
My same sources suggest that the 3rd daily flt to SYD EK414/415 will be cancelled/suspended to facilitate the introduction of the additional frequencies to LAX & IAH.
That didn't stop SS or UX from operating into MIA.
Quoting miaintl (Reply 21): Plus there has been rumours that EK will serve CCS and BOG first and this will ruin MIA's chance because it would steal Dubai passengers who would conncet through MIA.
What about GIG, EZE, LIM, MEX, PTY, SCL, SJO, etc.? How do you know that BOG and CCS will come first? If you want facts and not rumors, EK already has Argentinian, Chilean, Peruvian, and Uruguayan websites.
SCL-AKL-SYD on CC-BBA!
: But even if that happens its still a decade or two away. Who knows when all those planes arrive and we all know how slow boeing is with deliveries, j
: Perhaps EK will pick up the B77Ls that AI is looking to lease out. It might be part of a deal to get additional frequencies/A380 rights to India. Jus
: First of all SS and UX are low-cost carriers and are not on the level of EK. Those are the only carriers MIA can afford. Plus all those South America
: Yep. At that time slot D is free of heavies.
: JFK is also gaining a 380 on one of the trips around the same time LAX/IAH are doubled.
: It is not going to happen as long as US requires international transit passengers to have transit visa. Who in their right mind want to go through th
: Surely they already do this by flying into GRU - doesn't make that much sense starting a whole new route to MIA just to funnel in passengers from an
: Well EK only flies to GRU so they can technically codeshare with AA for the MIA flight to provide connections to other Latin American destinations.
: Read nothing into the fact that the world's largest A380 operator has thus far committed to just ONE A380 service in the North American market. The u
: Why not with LAN since they offer multiple daily connections between Buenos Aires, Lima and Santiago de Chile via GRU?
: I question whether EK will codeshare with AA. I dont think they will. However, they could still gain revenue from a onward Latin American connections
: Well here locally in my experience EK has actually tended to be on expensive side compared to competitors. 100,000's do every year. I recently looked
: GRU is a possiblity however i think without any feed or connections EK's MIA flight would be in trouble because the market alone in MIA is not enough
: No way--AA will shut them off so fast...
: The added frequencies to LAX in particular I feel are done to: 1. Hurt Turkish Airlines before it even launches its new IST LAX flights from March 31s
: I know they use to codeshare with CO are they with an allaince or they just have a partership with diffrent airlines?
: Strange that a 773 will be used for just one day. How much more cargo can they fit in there than a 77L? Maybe they have some sort of contract with an
: Agreed, EK has ordered a lot of aircraft and they didn't do that for no reason (even though I still think they ordered too much, but that's my person
: A lot gets made about visas and the USA and MIA. Most of the people Emirates would fly from Miami to Dubai from teh Caribean and North Latin America
: I was about to type this, I could not agree with you more!
: 300,000 out of how many passengers that travel in and out of US? Some people have no other choice such as for travels between Latin America and Japan
: How about BOS and SEA, anyone see them becoming possible EK destinations in the future?
: The point is 300,000 people went out and got transit Visa's for the US. Obviously the effort was worthwhile enough for them to pursue flying via the
: Yup, I believe that is also supposed to start Oct 31. That will free up a 77W, so will we see another route upgrading from 77L to 77W somewhere?
: Even if someone has US visa, transiting in US is still a hassle when compared to other options. Main issue for transiting in US is that all arriving
: EK can codeshare with AA and LAN from those respective airports (MIA and GRU) but to my knowledge EK doesn't codeshare and have stated they don't int
: Do you personally believe that EK would ever start service to MIA especially without any feed?
: This is because not everyone in the world is going to have red flags in the first place. It's a rubber stamp for most, though it has a price of cours
: Obviously, they had no other choice but to fly via US. If they had other option available to them, they would avoid it. Its as simple as that. My poi
: Yes, this summer I tried booking the DXB-LAX flight, and not only was the flight almost double the fare I got last year ($2200 + for economy), but th
: Yes...I do believe MIA has large enough market to warrant EK service and sooner or later EK will enter MIA.[Edited 2010-08-12 11:37:20]
: I think EK would use a combination of local traffic and maybe some connecting trafic to make MIA work. But fortrunner makes it clear that it cant be o
: Try going for any type of visa interview at US consulates abroad and you will know its not a rubber stamp. Every single non-immigrant visa seeker is
: Your opinion is fact. Got it. Not for every nation, person and circumstance and not for repeat travelers.
: You will be surprised how many people connect international/international through Miami every day. In general if a person has the means to travel to
: Makes you wonder why CO is messing around w/Lagos and didn't introduce DXB from IAH w/the 788 next fall. CO will be hard pressed to break into the mar
61 travelin man
: Question: Does the 77W or A380 have the range for LAX-DXB? I had thought that it was an issue (although I know that the 77W does SFO-DXB). My understa
: According to the Boeing website regarding 777 ranges for all models, LAX lies just within the range of the 77W from DXB. The website link: http://www
: There was a discussion about this before and if memory serves me well their 77W was epuipped to handle the route as EK seems to have several 77W's in
: It is a hassle, but sometimes its worth it. I fly to MEX regularly and I prefer doing DXB-IAH-MEX rather than DXB-EUROPE-MEX, even with connecting is
: Non-immigrant visa seeker is an assumed immigrant is an official policy of US department of state and is applied universally at all consulates abroad
: Pretty much par-for-the-course on this forum, where threads are easily side tracked. Thomas[Edited 2010-08-12 12:44:06][Edited 2010-08-12 12:44:36]
: I have no such wonderment. Upon closing of the merger, UA can simply extend the IAD-DXB flight to IAH as a 1-stop service and subsequently evaluate t
: US consulates insist on personal visits to the consulate , as they take fingerprints of everyone applying for a visa.
: So you state opinion as fact and then say case closed. I see how this works. What part of repeat traveler don't you understand? You are acting as if
: Was hoping DFW and ORD would get service, but we can always hope (and get the occasional diversion of IAH to DFW).
: Like i said EK seems happy with serving 4 destinations for the time being, and most likely wont expand any further in the US for another 5-10 years,
: It will be a long time before DFW gets EK...if they get them.
: EY is more likely. They have shown interest in the market (enough to do a study of it anyway). Whether they show up or not, Im not sure. But it is mo
: Wow maybe you should call the CEO of EK, tell them this and see what you get back as reply... A388
: There were some rumblings that D4/D4A and maybe in conjunction with D5 could be utilized for single A380 operation. As to whether any of EK's current
76 travelin man
: I'm sorry, but why do you keep repeating this? Do you have insider information or something? There are potentially a number of North America cities t
: I'd suggest that "not quite yet" is the answer in both cases. Ask again in 3 or 4 years... Both 77W and A380 do, or will, take payload hits on DXB-SF
78 travelin man
: OK, thanks for the reply! It confirms my recollection that LAX-DXB is *just* outside the range for the 380 and 77W. My guess is that you are right --
: I would only do it if I didn't need a transit visa, or already had one. In any case, EK's business model is based on serving primarily online traffic
: Living in Miami i can tell you that alot of people from Central America and the Carribean transfer here to go on to Europe to destinations like LHR, C
: What I stated is a fact and applies to all non-immigrant visa applicants including B1/B2, C1 etc. Straight out of DOS website - "The presumption in t
: And again, this is solely your opinion but not fact. The fact is that people do fly via the US, on their own free will, visa requirement or not. Soun
: IMHO, 2x daily EK and a daily QR cannot consistently maintain good loads throughout the year out of IAH. One of them will blink. If these indeed survi
: LOL. If you cared to read my profile, I actually stay in the US and have had my fair share of experiences dealing with DOS/DHS and maze of US immigra
: We should keep in mind that MIA (and San Juan) is probably the only city that has flights to practically every airport in the Caribbean. Only a handfu
: Doubtful, SQ is not really overlapping EK, and they are going daily. I can see AF being the biggest loser; however, AF carries a decent amount of Afr
: Many Latin Americans who would travel to Dubai through Miami also have second citizenships in the USA( many are born here to get the US passport) or c
: Any word on whether SFO-DXB will be doing 2x as well some point in the future?
: I wont be surprised if they do a second flight? This is EK, expect the unexpected.
: Why will these two be casualties? I can see AF down gauging their equipment out of IAH to a 330/343 solely based on CO pulling out of SkyTeam and not
: You absolutely did. That is NOT an opinion statement. You are stating that as an obvious fact. And that's after being repeatedly challenged that you
: What I wrote was part fact (about DOS policy and source was cited) and part opinion (about people avoiding US as international transit point). I had
: Although we are going off topic, i come from a visa waiver country and i WILL do anything in my pwer to avoid transit through the US so i tend to agre
: Simple reason, the dynamics are changing quickly. With CO joining star, there is a strong possibility that LH starts a flight to MUC or adds capacity
: I don't think you are correct - as the SQ flights 'shakiness' has apparently been nothing more than incorrect a.net conjecture. SQ is going daily and
: Its big, but its not infinate. It does have a limit. At some point, something will give. More IAH-Middle East capacity might prevent, say LH from add
: I traveled myself DFW-IAH-DOH-BOM last December. In our flight from IAH - DOH we had a family of 6 and 5 assorted folks from DFW. Headed to BOM/HYD/LH
: What codeshares? SQ doesn't codeshare with CO or UA at all.
: AF maybe, but there are a lot of oil folks who enjoy the F and J on AF. SQ, doubtful...they have been building LFs and capacity during EKs and QRs ex
: Right now they codeshare with US, however, you still get FF reciprocity.
: QR codeshares with US as well on IAH-DOH
: AF is going to be fine in the market. They've already taken their hit by pulling the 2nd flight (usually an 330). AF has been in the market for decade
: And what does this have to do with EK or any other Middle Eastern airline flying to/from MIA? A388
: I doubt if India & neighbours population at Houston is smaller than DFW. If it was, surely EK or QR or some one will introduce the flight. As far
: It just goes to prove my point that people transfer internationally to and from MIA.
: I said there were more Indians in DFW and there are. When looking at total South Asian (including Pakistani, Afghan, and Sri Lanka), there are about
: I still think ORD and IAD will happen in the next year or two.
: I doubt if India & neighbours population at Houston is smaller than DFW. If it was, surely EK or QR or some one will introduce the flight. As far
: Youre reading too much into it bro. Nobody said anything about the energy sector drying up. Nothing. Nobody said anything about those airlines servin
: Don't worry about it man. Thomas has a huge inferiority complex when it comes to how Houston is viewed. I am a Houstonian like Thomas, but anyone who
: Astuteman's reply 77 applies equally to DXB-IAH. EK's A380's are set up at about the top end of the 292 to ~300-tonne DOW spread for current builds.
: Yes, yes, yes... Living in the UAE I have never taken EK. Off the charts expensive. I know a number of people that have used QR to get to the States
: ATL?!? I think EY would come to MIA before ATL especially because they are a partner of AA.
: Yes, I thought that part was off target. I was just repeating someone else. I agree...
: EY would be a better fit at DFW vs. MIA. RJ is the perfect Middle Eastern Carrier for MIA. The reason is that RJ serves the area where MIA generates
: I agree RJ would be perfect for this city. There have been rumors on anet before that RJ is planning to serve MIA in the near future but EK might bea
: You need to look at the bigger picture. There's much more to just serving the Middle Eastern markets. Do you really think an airline like EK would wa
: I have no grudge against EK coming to MIA and I even think that they will serve MIA far before RJ does. Thats what i meant by them beating RJ by comin
: [=miaintl,reply=118]I have no grudge against EK coming to MIA and I even think that they will serve MIA far before RJ does. Thats what i meant by them
: RJ is better suited to serve MIA's local market and demographic because of the area of the Middle East they serve.
: Its because of Miami's expensive landing costs and i am a little worried that EK would see this and become discouraged.
: Why on earth would EK be the only airline that would find MIA too expensive, explain that to me. Why would EK want to serve the small Middle Eastern
: You could say the same about SQ however 12 aircraft to operate ULH routes hardly qualifies as a large fleet in either case. If EK had that many A380'
: High landing fees didn't turn EK off of Toronto. LHR fees aren't exactly cheap either....nor are they in SYD