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EK 2nd Frequency To IAH & LAX  
User currently offlineKissK From Malaysia, joined Aug 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15952 times:

Sorry if this is being discussued... Just came across this EK introducing 2nd Freq to IAH & LAX

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...o-houston-and-los-angeles-1.667426

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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15925 times:

You'd expect EK to start service to other American cities. I guess with a 2nd daily service to IAH, we can forget service to DFW in the near future.

User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15895 times:

Will they be using the 777-200lr as present or the 777-300er to increase capacity ?

there were talks that they could use the 777-300ers with added fuel tanks or something because of range issues especially on the lax route

are there chances of the a380 being employed on either route?
does current traffic on these routes warrant a second frequency with added pax?

but then again we are talking EK here,,and anythings possible...just love em...thats why i have half a million skywards miles  


User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4002 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15780 times:

Ever since EK launched IAH, they have been hinting at a 2nd daily, glad to see it come to fruition.

Thomas



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User currently offlinegauravpai From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15731 times:

another thing would be to have an evening/night departure in contrast to the current timetable to enhance connections and reduce transit times from wherever in the world youre travelling
good move!!
cheers


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15583 times:

Excellent move....

Much better to focus in the markets you have already, to avoid competition, before starting new ones.... that´s a mistake many new airlines do.... start many new routes before adding freqs to the existing ones...

As usual the question is here, A380?? with so many in order.... probably one of them could become a A380 and the other one remain B777 if they need more capacity... it´s a good option....

What are the current schedule and the new one???


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7693 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15471 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 1):
I guess with a 2nd daily service to IAH, we can forget service to DFW in the near future.

Yeah, I think thats a pretty safe assumption. Oh well, maybe EY will step in. I do know they have recently preformed a market analysis at DFW. How it turned out, I have no clue.

EK is taking a different approach than what people are predicting they would. People thought they would try and connect the dots with all kinds of new cities in the US, but what seems more likely is that they are going to beef up what they have for a while.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15477 times:

EK 213 DXB - IAH 0240 0905
EK 214 IAH - DXB 1145 1225+1

Aircraft: B777-200LR
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EK 217 DXB - LAX 0315 0745
EK 218 LAX - DXB 1000 1350+1

Aircraft: B777-200LR



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15413 times:

Wow. Very impressive.

Though the press release only refers to the 777, I assume that both flights will be -LR models?

Also, does this make Emirates the only airline in the world to operate every passenger variant of the 777 (-200/-200ER/-200LR/-300/-300ER)?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25786 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15376 times:

Good deal.

I posted a few weeks back that a 2nd flight LAX was in the cards.
It truly amazing how well Emirates has done since its launch two years ago, and surprisingly without the need for heavy discounting or much wheeling and dealing with the travel agent community. People from far and wide flock to the flights paying top dollar.

The Winter schedule is:
EK217 DXB-LAX 0315-0745 *new*
EK215 DXB-LAX 0820-1250

EK218 LAX-DXB 1000-1250 *new*
EK216 LAX-DXB 1645-1940

The way these guys are going will have a 3rd flight in a few years.



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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15273 times:

Excellent news,

I had a feeling that they will start a 2nd flight to LAX, every time I want to book on EK to LAX, it was full. Then I had to fly to SFO.

All the best for EK. and hopefully more U.S destinations.



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User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15175 times:

Excellent news for IAH and LAX.

At IAH, it was a matter of time before either EK or QR went to double daily. The loads on both carriers are around 90%+ for most of the year. What's been a pleasant surprise is how well the back of the plane is filling up out of IAH. Lots of India-bound passengers. I think the big loser in the market has been AF which is down to just a daily flight. AF has been hit hard by CO's move to Star Alliance and probably through onward connections from CDG.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15130 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
It truly amazing how well Emirates has done since its launch two years ago, and surprisingly without the need for heavy discounting or much wheeling and dealing with the travel agent community. People from far and wide flock to the flights paying top dollar.

That is indeed a good achievement. How are EK's prices generally speaking? Are they expensive to fly with or not? I remember reading in the past that EK (or maybe all the major Middle Eastern airlines) is (are) relatively cheap compared to European carriers. Is this true? I think EK, QR (and EY to a lesser extend) will become a real thread to the world's airlines with their big expansions. I just hope it will not impact the worldwide aviation in a negative way.What will happen to the value of brandnew and secondhand aircraft if these airlines start replacing their relatively new aircraft? How will that impact sales of brandnew aircraft? Will prices for these secondhand aircraft increase because of their relatively young age and good condition? In any case, the things that these Middle Eastern airlines are doing, is very impressive to say the least. Good luck!!!

A388


User currently offlineKissK From Malaysia, joined Aug 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14639 times:

Just called by travel agent, they says there system reflects EK213 (new IAH service) being served with a B77W

User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14512 times:

Ord and IAD dont really need EK service urgently because they are well served by other Mid-East carriers. The only odd man out is MIA, but i had my doubts it was ever going to happen anyways.

User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14376 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
As usual the question is here, A380?? with so many in order.... probably one of them could become a A380 and the other one remain B777 if they need more capacity... it´s a good option....

IAH is a perfect route for an A380 for EK, because an A380 would effectively replace 2 777LRs unless both 77Ls go out full every day with all high yield pax.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14341 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 14):
The only odd man out is MIA, but i had my doubts it was ever going to happen anyways.

It will eventually happen.

A388


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14312 times:

The problem with IAH is that their terminal D is limited in capacity and does not have any 380 ready gates. So I dont know where this second frequency 77W will be parked.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14206 times:
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Quoting miaintl (Reply 14):
The only odd man out is MIA, but i had my doubts it was ever going to happen anyways.

Why? At MIA, EK could capture international pax from Central America, South America, the Caribbean etc. and provide connections to other Middle Eastern cities. Also, both RJ and TK served MIA in the past; hopefully they will return in due course.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12523 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14164 times:

With A345s being taken off Aussie routes and replaced by 77Ls, the 77L sub-fleet is being worked quite hard by EK; wonder if we will see some more being ordered. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the A345 fleet were retired (or reduced) in favour of more 77Ls.

Does anyone know when EK's next 77W deliveries are expected ... they haven't had any new ones for at least a couple months!


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14139 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 17):
The problem with IAH is that their terminal D is limited in capacity and does not have any 380 ready gates. So I dont know where this second frequency 77W will be parked.

I was under the impression that the D12 could be converted to A380 rather easily. And even without the upstairs jetway, you can board an A380. It just takes a little longer.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14143 times:

MIA is a very expensive airport to operate at. Plus there has been rumours that EK will serve CCS and BOG first and this will ruin MIA's chance because it would steal Dubai passengers who would conncet through MIA. Personally i dont see EK expanding any further in North America, i think they're content with serving 4 destinations and i dont see it going any further then that.

User currently onlinetravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14066 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 21):
Personally i dont see EK expanding any further in North America, i think they're content with serving 4 destinations and i dont see it going any further then that.

They have about a billion planes on order and those planes have to go somewhere. I'd say that North America expansion is not only potential, it is highly probable.


User currently offlinedenklug From Germany, joined Dec 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14031 times:

Quoting KissK (Reply 13):
Just called by travel agent, they says there system reflects EK213 (new IAH service) being served with a B77W

My sources say EK213/214 will be ops with 77WP on day1 and 77LU on days 2-7
EK217/218 is a daily 7LU

However, there are bad news for the folks down-under:
My same sources suggest that the 3rd daily flt to SYD EK414/415 will be cancelled/suspended to facilitate the introduction of the additional frequencies to LAX & IAH.



denklug
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13858 times:
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Quoting miaintl (Reply 21):
MIA is a very expensive airport to operate at.

That didn't stop SS or UX from operating into MIA.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 21):
Plus there has been rumours that EK will serve CCS and BOG first and this will ruin MIA's chance because it would steal Dubai passengers who would conncet through MIA.

What about GIG, EZE, LIM, MEX, PTY, SCL, SJO, etc.? How do you know that BOG and CCS will come first? If you want facts and not rumors, EK already has Argentinian, Chilean, Peruvian, and Uruguayan websites.


25 miaintl : But even if that happens its still a decade or two away. Who knows when all those planes arrive and we all know how slow boeing is with deliveries, j
26 LAXDESI : Perhaps EK will pick up the B77Ls that AI is looking to lease out. It might be part of a deal to get additional frequencies/A380 rights to India. Jus
27 miaintl : First of all SS and UX are low-cost carriers and are not on the level of EK. Those are the only carriers MIA can afford. Plus all those South America
28 drerx7 : Yep. At that time slot D is free of heavies.
29 MaverickM11 : JFK is also gaining a 380 on one of the trips around the same time LAX/IAH are doubled.
30 fortunerunnner : It is not going to happen as long as US requires international transit passengers to have transit visa. Who in their right mind want to go through th
31 nclmedic : Surely they already do this by flying into GRU - doesn't make that much sense starting a whole new route to MIA just to funnel in passengers from an
32 miaintl : Well EK only flies to GRU so they can technically codeshare with AA for the MIA flight to provide connections to other Latin American destinations.
33 avek00 : Read nothing into the fact that the world's largest A380 operator has thus far committed to just ONE A380 service in the North American market. The u
34 SCL767 : Why not with LAN since they offer multiple daily connections between Buenos Aires, Lima and Santiago de Chile via GRU?
35 LAXdude1023 : I question whether EK will codeshare with AA. I dont think they will. However, they could still gain revenue from a onward Latin American connections
36 LAXintl : Well here locally in my experience EK has actually tended to be on expensive side compared to competitors. 100,000's do every year. I recently looked
37 miaintl : GRU is a possiblity however i think without any feed or connections EK's MIA flight would be in trouble because the market alone in MIA is not enough
38 Post contains images MaverickM11 : No way--AA will shut them off so fast...
39 behramjee : The added frequencies to LAX in particular I feel are done to: 1. Hurt Turkish Airlines before it even launches its new IST LAX flights from March 31s
40 BACCALA : I know they use to codeshare with CO are they with an allaince or they just have a partership with diffrent airlines?
41 COflyerBOS : Strange that a 773 will be used for just one day. How much more cargo can they fit in there than a 77L? Maybe they have some sort of contract with an
42 Post contains images A388 : Agreed, EK has ordered a lot of aircraft and they didn't do that for no reason (even though I still think they ordered too much, but that's my person
43 jfk777 : A lot gets made about visas and the USA and MIA. Most of the people Emirates would fly from Miami to Dubai from teh Caribean and North Latin America
44 ojas : I was about to type this, I could not agree with you more!
45 fortunerunnner : 300,000 out of how many passengers that travel in and out of US? Some people have no other choice such as for travels between Latin America and Japan
46 miaintl : How about BOS and SEA, anyone see them becoming possible EK destinations in the future?
47 LAXintl : The point is 300,000 people went out and got transit Visa's for the US. Obviously the effort was worthwhile enough for them to pursue flying via the
48 bonusonus : Yup, I believe that is also supposed to start Oct 31. That will free up a 77W, so will we see another route upgrading from 77L to 77W somewhere?
49 fortunerunnner : Even if someone has US visa, transiting in US is still a hassle when compared to other options. Main issue for transiting in US is that all arriving
50 A388 : EK can codeshare with AA and LAN from those respective airports (MIA and GRU) but to my knowledge EK doesn't codeshare and have stated they don't int
51 miaintl : Do you personally believe that EK would ever start service to MIA especially without any feed?
52 ikramerica : This is because not everyone in the world is going to have red flags in the first place. It's a rubber stamp for most, though it has a price of cours
53 fortunerunnner : Obviously, they had no other choice but to fly via US. If they had other option available to them, they would avoid it. Its as simple as that. My poi
54 beyauty : Yes, this summer I tried booking the DXB-LAX flight, and not only was the flight almost double the fare I got last year ($2200 + for economy), but th
55 fortunerunnner : Yes...I do believe MIA has large enough market to warrant EK service and sooner or later EK will enter MIA.[Edited 2010-08-12 11:37:20]
56 miaintl : I think EK would use a combination of local traffic and maybe some connecting trafic to make MIA work. But fortrunner makes it clear that it cant be o
57 fortunerunnner : Try going for any type of visa interview at US consulates abroad and you will know its not a rubber stamp. Every single non-immigrant visa seeker is
58 ikramerica : Your opinion is fact. Got it. Not for every nation, person and circumstance and not for repeat travelers.
59 Peteinmiami : You will be surprised how many people connect international/international through Miami every day. In general if a person has the means to travel to
60 fun2fly : Makes you wonder why CO is messing around w/Lagos and didn't introduce DXB from IAH w/the 788 next fall. CO will be hard pressed to break into the mar
61 travelin man : Question: Does the 77W or A380 have the range for LAX-DXB? I had thought that it was an issue (although I know that the 77W does SFO-DXB). My understa
62 Post contains links will777 : According to the Boeing website regarding 777 ranges for all models, LAX lies just within the range of the 77W from DXB. The website link: http://www
63 A388 : There was a discussion about this before and if memory serves me well their 77W was epuipped to handle the route as EK seems to have several 77W's in
64 ff22DXB : It is a hassle, but sometimes its worth it. I fly to MEX regularly and I prefer doing DXB-IAH-MEX rather than DXB-EUROPE-MEX, even with connecting is
65 Post contains images fortunerunnner : Non-immigrant visa seeker is an assumed immigrant is an official policy of US department of state and is applied universally at all consulates abroad
66 thomasphoto60 : Pretty much par-for-the-course on this forum, where threads are easily side tracked. Thomas[Edited 2010-08-12 12:44:06][Edited 2010-08-12 12:44:36]
67 avek00 : I have no such wonderment. Upon closing of the merger, UA can simply extend the IAD-DXB flight to IAH as a 1-stop service and subsequently evaluate t
68 blrsea : US consulates insist on personal visits to the consulate , as they take fingerprints of everyone applying for a visa.
69 ikramerica : So you state opinion as fact and then say case closed. I see how this works. What part of repeat traveler don't you understand? You are acting as if
70 GlobalCabotage : Was hoping DFW and ORD would get service, but we can always hope (and get the occasional diversion of IAH to DFW).
71 miaintl : Like i said EK seems happy with serving 4 destinations for the time being, and most likely wont expand any further in the US for another 5-10 years,
72 drerx7 : It will be a long time before DFW gets EK...if they get them.
73 LAXdude1023 : EY is more likely. They have shown interest in the market (enough to do a study of it anyway). Whether they show up or not, Im not sure. But it is mo
74 A388 : Wow maybe you should call the CEO of EK, tell them this and see what you get back as reply... A388
75 aznmadsci : There were some rumblings that D4/D4A and maybe in conjunction with D5 could be utilized for single A380 operation. As to whether any of EK's current
76 travelin man : I'm sorry, but why do you keep repeating this? Do you have insider information or something? There are potentially a number of North America cities t
77 Post contains images astuteman : I'd suggest that "not quite yet" is the answer in both cases. Ask again in 3 or 4 years... Both 77W and A380 do, or will, take payload hits on DXB-SF
78 travelin man : OK, thanks for the reply! It confirms my recollection that LAX-DXB is *just* outside the range for the 380 and 77W. My guess is that you are right --
79 Viscount724 : I would only do it if I didn't need a transit visa, or already had one. In any case, EK's business model is based on serving primarily online traffic
80 miaintl : Living in Miami i can tell you that alot of people from Central America and the Carribean transfer here to go on to Europe to destinations like LHR, C
81 fortunerunnner : What I stated is a fact and applies to all non-immigrant visa applicants including B1/B2, C1 etc. Straight out of DOS website - "The presumption in t
82 LAXintl : And again, this is solely your opinion but not fact. The fact is that people do fly via the US, on their own free will, visa requirement or not. Soun
83 SATexan : IMHO, 2x daily EK and a daily QR cannot consistently maintain good loads throughout the year out of IAH. One of them will blink. If these indeed survi
84 fortunerunnner : LOL. If you cared to read my profile, I actually stay in the US and have had my fair share of experiences dealing with DOS/DHS and maze of US immigra
85 directorguy : We should keep in mind that MIA (and San Juan) is probably the only city that has flights to practically every airport in the Caribbean. Only a handfu
86 drerx7 : Doubtful, SQ is not really overlapping EK, and they are going daily. I can see AF being the biggest loser; however, AF carries a decent amount of Afr
87 jfk777 : Many Latin Americans who would travel to Dubai through Miami also have second citizenships in the USA( many are born here to get the US passport) or c
88 bioyuki : Any word on whether SFO-DXB will be doing 2x as well some point in the future?
89 KU747 : I wont be surprised if they do a second flight? This is EK, expect the unexpected.
90 laca773 : Why will these two be casualties? I can see AF down gauging their equipment out of IAH to a 330/343 solely based on CO pulling out of SkyTeam and not
91 ikramerica : You absolutely did. That is NOT an opinion statement. You are stating that as an obvious fact. And that's after being repeatedly challenged that you
92 fortunerunnner : What I wrote was part fact (about DOS policy and source was cited) and part opinion (about people avoiding US as international transit point). I had
93 concordechild : Although we are going off topic, i come from a visa waiver country and i WILL do anything in my pwer to avoid transit through the US so i tend to agre
94 SATexan : Simple reason, the dynamics are changing quickly. With CO joining star, there is a strong possibility that LH starts a flight to MUC or adds capacity
95 drerx7 : I don't think you are correct - as the SQ flights 'shakiness' has apparently been nothing more than incorrect a.net conjecture. SQ is going daily and
96 LAXdude1023 : Its big, but its not infinate. It does have a limit. At some point, something will give. More IAH-Middle East capacity might prevent, say LH from add
97 ojas : I traveled myself DFW-IAH-DOH-BOM last December. In our flight from IAH - DOH we had a family of 6 and 5 assorted folks from DFW. Headed to BOM/HYD/LH
98 avek00 : What codeshares? SQ doesn't codeshare with CO or UA at all.
99 yellowtail : AF maybe, but there are a lot of oil folks who enjoy the F and J on AF. SQ, doubtful...they have been building LFs and capacity during EKs and QRs ex
100 drerx7 : Right now they codeshare with US, however, you still get FF reciprocity.
101 AABB777 : QR codeshares with US as well on IAH-DOH
102 COflyerBOS : AF is going to be fine in the market. They've already taken their hit by pulling the 2nd flight (usually an 330). AF has been in the market for decade
103 A388 : And what does this have to do with EK or any other Middle Eastern airline flying to/from MIA? A388
104 hohd : I doubt if India & neighbours population at Houston is smaller than DFW. If it was, surely EK or QR or some one will introduce the flight. As far
105 miaintl : It just goes to prove my point that people transfer internationally to and from MIA.
106 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : I said there were more Indians in DFW and there are. When looking at total South Asian (including Pakistani, Afghan, and Sri Lanka), there are about
107 GlobalCabotage : I still think ORD and IAD will happen in the next year or two.
108 Post contains links thomasphoto60 : I doubt if India & neighbours population at Houston is smaller than DFW. If it was, surely EK or QR or some one will introduce the flight. As far
109 LAXdude1023 : Youre reading too much into it bro. Nobody said anything about the energy sector drying up. Nothing. Nobody said anything about those airlines servin
110 Pbb152 : Don't worry about it man. Thomas has a huge inferiority complex when it comes to how Houston is viewed. I am a Houstonian like Thomas, but anyone who
111 sunrisevalley : Astuteman's reply 77 applies equally to DXB-IAH. EK's A380's are set up at about the top end of the 292 to ~300-tonne DOW spread for current builds.
112 klwright69 : Yes, yes, yes... Living in the UAE I have never taken EK. Off the charts expensive. I know a number of people that have used QR to get to the States
113 miaintl : ATL?!? I think EY would come to MIA before ATL especially because they are a partner of AA.
114 klwright69 : Yes, I thought that part was off target. I was just repeating someone else. I agree...
115 LAXdude1023 : EY would be a better fit at DFW vs. MIA. RJ is the perfect Middle Eastern Carrier for MIA. The reason is that RJ serves the area where MIA generates
116 miaintl : I agree RJ would be perfect for this city. There have been rumors on anet before that RJ is planning to serve MIA in the near future but EK might bea
117 A388 : You need to look at the bigger picture. There's much more to just serving the Middle Eastern markets. Do you really think an airline like EK would wa
118 miaintl : I have no grudge against EK coming to MIA and I even think that they will serve MIA far before RJ does. Thats what i meant by them beating RJ by comin
119 A388 : [=miaintl,reply=118]I have no grudge against EK coming to MIA and I even think that they will serve MIA far before RJ does. Thats what i meant by them
120 LAXdude1023 : RJ is better suited to serve MIA's local market and demographic because of the area of the Middle East they serve.
121 miaintl : Its because of Miami's expensive landing costs and i am a little worried that EK would see this and become discouraged.
122 A388 : Why on earth would EK be the only airline that would find MIA too expensive, explain that to me. Why would EK want to serve the small Middle Eastern
123 airbazar : You could say the same about SQ however 12 aircraft to operate ULH routes hardly qualifies as a large fleet in either case. If EK had that many A380'
124 yellowtail : High landing fees didn't turn EK off of Toronto. LHR fees aren't exactly cheap either....nor are they in SYD
125 yellowtail : double post..sorry. Mods kindly delete.[Edited 2010-08-15 11:15:45]
126 A388 : Exactly, miaintl just has a grudge against EK, that is very clear. Saying that EK doesn't want to operate into/out of MIA because of high airport fee
127 miaintl : The difference with SYD, YYZ and the rest is that they have the demographics and the market for EK flights. However MIA is both risky and on top of th
128 Post contains images aznmadsci : When did this thread become about MIA?!?!?!?!
129 A388 : Why is MIA risky? And again you raise a worthless argument of MIA being expensive. A388
130 miaintl : MIA is risky because it has a very small South Asian population and weak ties to Asia in general. EK is better off starting service to MCO, because th
131 ojas : EK = > S. Asia and RJ => ME is a wrong comparison. First of all, RJ has advantage to just EBL, MED, JED, TLV than EK ... when it comes to the m
132 A388 : My God, MCO having strong ties to Asia? Seriously? Can you back that up? Probably not... A388
133 miaintl : Orlando-Tampa have a large Indian community and i know because I live there and see many of them. In Miami however, i see hardly any but the number is
134 A388 : Anyone can make up stories without any facts. He's getting at what you just don't get... A388
135 GlobalCabotage : I agree that EY and DFW have potential, especially with OneWorld connections. ORD has done so well that it went daily with a 346 and is now 6x346 and
136 miaintl : And hopefully MIA and IAD with it.
137 airbazar : VFR traffic is hardly a repesentation of the potential of a route. South Florida has a healthy Asian market, predominantly business and corporate con
138 LAXdude1023 : I dont think so. The largest market in Asia from MIA is MNL.
139 caliatenza : thank the lord a second daily shows up for LAX. Maybe now there wont be so many problems getting flights ex India to LAX on EK.
140 A388 : Well, we all agree on one thing, there is a market to Asia (destination aside). A388
141 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Yes! Hey wait... IAD and LAX? Doesn't EK know it is all about So Cal? I'm guessing the A388 to JFK freed up a 77W (to SFO) and thus at least one set o
142 ojas : QR will not have a second daily to any N. American city till the next 3-4 years at least. Until and unless somehow the O-D market between DOH and IAH
143 miaintl : Just flew FRA-MIA today, and much to my surprise the flight had many Indians and Pakistani's both visiting and living in MIA. Keep in mind, this does
144 LAXDESI : Based on 2000 US census, Indian population was around 24,000 in Miami/Fort Lauderdale area. I expect the 2010 census to show around 38,000 Indians.
145 miaintl : Is that enough to warrant EK service? I think the EK service will have to depend on more than just demographics but also buisness and market. I know
146 LAXdude1023 : Here are the most recent numbers from 2007. These are foreign born only by combined statistical area (or metro area when there is no CSA). These numb
147 miaintl : Its like i said it has to be a bit of VFR and tourism/vacationing to make this route work. I for one know many South Floridians who would welcome chan
148 Viscount724 : For most points in Asia beyond India, it's generally much shorter via the Pacific. MIA-ORD-PEK is roughly 3,500 miles shorter,and MIA-FRA-PEK about 2
149 miaintl : Yes but DXB is a more convenient hub than the overcrowded and worn-down FRA, thus making it a superior traveling experience. MIA-FRA is an extremely c
150 Post contains images astuteman : Agree. The recent 4 tonne MTOW hike should also help. And if they took the showers out...... Rgds
151 LAXDESI : Thanks for the info. Based on these numbers, it seems that Indian population has increased by about 50%. Extrapolating from this trend, I expect the
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