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EK To Reduce DXB - SYD From 3 Daily To 2 Daily  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13157 times:

According to the GDS, EK 414/415 will be terminated from the winter schedule (coinciding with the start of new IAH, LAX flights)

With that EK will have 2 daily flights from DXB and SYD, one non stop and via BKK.


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User currently offlineairceo From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13159 times:

Is this a temporary move or permanent? Seems weird that an airline that fought tooth and nail for Australia is now taking a step backwards.

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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

This is in response to the increase in service to IAH and LAX. EK does not have the planes for all these routes.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7634 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13061 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
With that EK will have 2 daily flights from DXB and SYD, one non stop and via BKK.

What planes are used for these flights? A345 or 77L for the nonstop?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1925 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13002 times:

Why are they using A345 to DAR, usually was a B777 but now is A345

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12887 times:

Emirates operations to Australia/ New Zealand will look like this from winter 2010.

(i) DXB - SYD

* EK 412/413 daily A380 DXB-SYD-AKL

* EK 418/419 daily B77W DXB-BKK-SYD-CHC

(ii) DXB - MEL

* EK 406/407 daily non stop B77W DXB-MEL-AKL

* EK 408/409 daily B77W DXB-KUL-MEL

* EK 404/405 daily B77W DXB-SIN-MEL

(iii) DXB - BNE

* EK 432/433 daily non stop B77W DXB-SIN-BNE

* EK 434/435 daily A345 DXB-BNE-AKL

(iv) DXB - PER

* EK 420/421 daily non stop B77L DXB - PER

* EK 424/425 daily non stop B77L DXB - PER



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7634 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Oh great. Thanks!

Any chance EK might launch flights to ADL in the future?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11978 times:

Given the SYD arrival/departure times that allowed for no connection traffic and the high aircraft parking cost, I'm inclined to think this particular flight was a dud outside peak season and the pax numbers simply weren't there. I note the flight isn't being replaced with an intermediate stop service, and there are plenty of non 77L aircraft in the EK fleet that are available.

User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11892 times:

The cancelled flight did operate at strange times, though maybe it made more sense fitting into a connecting bank at DXB. I think I remember that one of their new European routes - Prague oerates at strange times, because DXB is so crowded. A route like Prague would depend on connections to/from Australia, so will Prague be attractive if passengers are now faced with a long connecting time in DXB?

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11479 times:

It is not unexpected, and was actually predicted by myself and many others at the time the 3rd flight was added.

They had already added an a380 flight, then tried a 3rd frequency also. It flooded the market with more and more seats.

Its strange they have not tried another option, like they did in MEL with the 3rd frequency (Non-stop MEL-DXB became MEL-KUL-DXB).


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11454 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 7):
Given the SYD arrival/departure times that allowed for no connection traffic and the high aircraft parking cost, I'm inclined to think this particular flight was a dud outside peak season and the pax numbers simply weren't there. I note the flight isn't being replaced with an intermediate stop service, and there are plenty of non 77L aircraft in the EK fleet that are available.

The inconvenient flight times were also the downfall of the 3rd frequency in MEL, so they ahd to work on a solution.

Things must have been very bad not to try a re-routing via an Asian destination. I guess with the A380, it will be, in relative terms, 2.5 flights anyway, wheras it was 3.5 in the past. The amount of capacity is high with the use of the largest aircraft possible.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2089 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11432 times:

And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Now that Air Asia is on the scene in MEL, we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK, so you really wonder about all this capacity in the marketplace... a 773 is a big beast to fill. And TG is axing it's daily SYD-BNE triangle flight.

Perhaps CX have it right- lots of frequency, but limited to A330/A340s.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11384 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Does EK have beyond rights from BOM? If yes, I am sure EK can make it work.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11359 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
And there's a rumor going around EK the KUL stop may be replaced with BOM!

Now that Air Asia is on the scene in MEL, we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK, so you really wonder about all this capacity in the marketplace... a 773 is a big beast to fill. And TG is axing it's daily SYD-BNE triangle flight.

Perhaps CX have it right- lots of frequency, but limited to A330/A340s.

BOM already has AI lined up on that route, so it could be hard to get that one to be a success for both, but who knows.

MH is now back to 2 daily MEL-KUL. The CGK was a short term thing that has now ended. EK has reported decent loads on the KUL-MEL flights in past interviews, not saying anything though if the yields are good, so its hard to tell how things are going on the KUL-MEL route for all 3 carriers (MH, EK, D7).


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 12):
Does EK have beyond rights from BOM? If yes, I am sure EK can make it work.

No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.



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User currently onlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
we have MH operating the non-daily additional flight via CGK

MH's KUL-CGK-MEL route has been closed (I believe due to inconvenient schedule and the competition from GA who opened CGK-MEL nonstop route).


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11272 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

Thanks. That's what I thought.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

If thats the case, that rumour seems extremely far off course.

They will do better staying on the KUL stop over option.


User currently offlinegardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1523 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

With EK reducing SYD to 2 daily, how will the Australian government consider any future requests for more landing rights? Aren't EK constantly pressing the govt for more rights into Australia?
I don't think they will be looked at favourably if they do something like this.

In rgds to MEL, I agree the third flight has totally uncivilized hours , especially with the departure ex MEL at 2.40am (3.10 am in summer?). I have also heard that the MEL-KUL market is doing quite ok for them already.
I would have thougth that timings of something like this would have worked quite well instead:

Dep DXB 6pm ish
Arr MEL 1pmish
Dep MEL 3pm ish
Arr DXB 9pm ish

These times surely can tie up with key Gulf/European ports.

Would have also thougtht they might give ADL a go with a daily A330 service, but it seems that none of the major gulfies are that brave!


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 237 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10043 times:

Quoting gardermoen (Reply 18):
Dep DXB 6pm ish

There is absolutely no feed into a 18:00 departure time from DXB. Its got to be the quietest part of the day at Dubai Airport in terms on EK operations. All European flights arrive between 23:30-01:30 and 06:00-07:30.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9617 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
They had already added an a380 flight, then tried a 3rd frequency also. It flooded the market with more and more seats.

I doubt anyone is making money off the SYD Kangaroo scraps at this point.



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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9495 times:
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Surely EK will be putting the A380 on one of the MEL routes soon.

User currently offlinesydaircargo From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

a while ago there where talking of bringing 4 daily to SYD , one direct, one via BKK, one via KUL
and one via CMB

hope they bring the flight back or at least put a 77f for all the cargo on the route


User currently offlineKissK From Malaysia, joined Aug 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

The B77L removed from the SYD & AMS sectors goes to LAX and IAH

The B77W removed (replaced by the 388) from JFK goes to AMS.


User currently offlinetayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

The horrible departure of the 3rd frequency out of MEL isn't out of the ordinary - although it's the latest departure on any given night, it is one of 9 flights to depart after 10:30pm:

EY461 MEL-AUH 22:15
QF29 MEL-HKG-LHR 20:50
QR31 MEL-DOH 23:05
TG462 MEL-BKK 23:30
CX168 MEL-HKG 23:45
SQ218 MEL-SIN 00:05
MH128 MEL-KUL 00:15
D72723 MEL-KUL 00:45
EK409 MEL-KUL-DXB 02:45

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 13):
BOM already has AI lined up on that route

AI: DEL-MEL not BOM-MEL

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
No EK does not. In fact the Gulf carriers do not have 5th rights beyond India.

If that's the case, that's the only thing stopping them (UAE-India bilateral) - from the Australia-UAE side of things, UAE carriers are unrestricted on points that can be used to get to Australia in South and South East Asia: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/2005/8.html

link to the Australia-India treaty which is similarly unrestricted for Australian and Indian airlines: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/2007/8.html


25 IndianicWorld : So true. Sorry, forgot about that. Still, with no India-Australia n/s to 2, at a similar time, especially with no chance of EK getting any onward pax
26 Pe@rson : Shockingly poor connection opportunities would exist with that. Based on a departure from DXB about 6pm - realistically, no European connections and
27 Flying Belgian : And yet ALL flights to Australia are full full full for september and october with and when a few seats are availiable it's at crazy fares !!!
28 EK413 : Agree... Topping it off would be the 6am slot... 77L.. Very interesting MEL continue with the 3 daily services and SYD double daily... Would the curf
29 Scotron11 : I can see the 777LR cancellation eventually reinstated with an A380 if they can change the schedule a little. Most european flights arrive DXB in the
30 FlyLonghaul : I should be flying GLA-DXB-SYD Sept 26th and its the cheapest option available, 450 GBP O/W, its around the same price from London also. Perhaps you
31 IndianicWorld : Not sure what you are looking at, but its clear that the LF% was not at its desired level, and yields were definately not suffiecent enough. For quit
32 tullamarine : The absence of a curfew in MEL makes it much easier for EK compared with SYD. EK (and othere Middle Eastern operators) are able to get great connectio
33 aerokiwi : I wouldn't recommend it. I've tried, twice, and aside from the oppressive heat and appalling traffic, the public transport links are (or at least, we
34 directorguy : If it's an overnight connection, wouldn't recommend it. If it's during the day, then yeah go for it. The Dubai Metro will take you from T3 to a numbe
35 incitatus : And hottest..... Also points to there being only so much EK capacity markets can absorb. Worrying times for EK with many more large aircraft on order
36 smi0006 : The Marhaba lounge can be access for 20AUD I believe! I must confess I still am amazed that EK does so well, with it's one stop options to Australia
37 Post contains images FlyLonghaul : Sadly it is a night time stop. Just after midnight until about 10:30 I had heard previously that there were a few nice bars there, as i'll be travell
38 alangirvan : This is a problem for any airline that arrives into SYD during the evening. Whereas planes that arrive into MEL during the evening can depart just af
39 directorguy : Well the Metro won't be working at night so you'll have to pay a bit more and use taxis. Great news is there'll be no traffic whatsoever to deal with
40 eta unknown : almost right... all CX SYD flights turn around in SYD and go straight back to HKG.
41 IndianicWorld : It is certainly very concerning for them. Given the fact that MEL has EK, QR and EY, it leaves them little room to move there, while they can build o
42 lightsaber : Very interesting. Thank you. So much for EK buying too many aircraft if they have to cancel routes for expansion. I'm not saying that the 3rd flight
43 EK773 : Best option for another SYD departure would be to mimic the EY timing of 15:50/23:40. A midnight DXB arrival still has connections to LHR/LGW/BEY/JNB
44 jupiter2 : Can only believe it is purely a shortage of aircraft affecting this flight. I recently spoke to the boss of the limo company which has the contract wi
45 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Sorry but I do not buy this at all. One mans personal experience does not fill a plane, particularly when yields are taken into account If it was doi
46 EK413 : I believe the 2:15am schedule is due to the SYD curfew... EK413
47 eta unknown : +1 with EK's huge fleet, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a substitute aircraft or slightly re-time the flights with an intermediate stop
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