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Irish Aviation 19/10: Slipping The Surly Bonds  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12593 times:

OK, OK, it's the best I could think of at 6am.

Greetings all and welcome to Irish 19/10! I'm not going for a particularly long introduction today. It's a little too early to summarise where we got to in the last thread, so I'll leave it to you to press ahead ...

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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12587 times:

Thanks for starting a new thread Kaitak , it was taxing even my iPhone lol...

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Aer Lingus says it has plan to deal with roster dispute

AER LINGUS has said it is taking the prospect of industrial action by cabin crew very seriously and is developing contingency plans to deal with every eventuality.

Cabin crew at the airline have said that from August 25th, they will revert to operating working arrangements which were in place before changes being implemented unilaterally by management last month.

This could involve cabin crew on some routes taking 30-minute breaks free from duty, which were abolished as part of the changes.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2010/0813/1224276715820.html


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12323 times:

Management and Christoph Mueller have issued an internal memo today...

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0813/aerlingus.html

Firstly, I think it should be pointed out that RTE seem to have a bias in their reporting of these developments - with airtime always being positively weighted in favour of management.

Only 10 days ago, C Mueller was overly confident that any action would have absolutely no effect upon Aer Lingus and indeed the share price rallied even further on such optimism. He was within €0.005 of reaching his first target share price hurdle since he took over at Aer Lingus - it would have been an achievement some 13 months ahead of when needed if he is to benefit from his share options.

I really find it incredulous that he is now clearly tinged with bitterness over an issue that he, and his management team, have in essence fully brought about. I also did wonder how long it would take before C Mueller would become upset about the decline in the share price in recent days:

Quote:
He pointed out that in the last 12 months, the employee shareholders had gained €45.4m in value via their employee share-ownership schemes.

However, he said it was regrettable that almost 10% of that gain was lost in a few days since the strike threat or warning.

Yet again, there are misleading aspects to the statement. Just how, are cabin crew trying to opt out of or veto the Greenfield agreement? These conditions were introduced unilaterally some weeks ago WITHOUT a ruling from the Labour Relations Commission. Managmenet have proceeded despite an ongoing arbitration process. Cabin crew are conforming to all other aspects of Greenfield.

Quote:
He said the full implementation of Greenfield in all areas remains critical to the viability of the business, adding that it was neither fair nor equitable that any staff group should seek a veto or opt out.

It's strikingly clear that Christoph Mueller is leading the push of such new conditions upon cabin crew. It's also clear that he does not intend to reverse these conditions despite having not awaited an outcome of the arbitration process. Press releases are continuously being released with the objective of portraying cabin crew in a negative light and in some respects - they amount to subtle propaganda.

It appears that the situation is becoming increasingly difficult. Management seem to consider the agreement to Greenfield as carte blanche to introduce whatever further proposals that they see fit - regardless of the impact upon a very large group of staff who are already co-operating in relation to Greenfield.

Management are either certain that the ruling of the LRC will support their stance to date or are going to ignore the binding nature of the arbitration process. If the LRC do rule ''against'' Management, then there will be serious issues.

Management are making absolutely no efforts to resolve the situaiton and are becoming increasingly hostile in fact.

Undoubtedly, it's an increasingly turbulent situation and we can only hope to see a resolution soon. Disappointingly, management seem to have no regard for reaching a fair resolution.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12239 times:

A Polet An-124 made an emergency landing at SNN today due to an engine failure:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=42f92671&opt=1


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12214 times:

I was at ORD the other day and the outsourced EI check-in staff are wearing the 'old' uniforms again - as in the ones the actual EI groundstaff wear at home! This is instead of the ridiculous cartoon ties and white shirts they were wearing before. And I also heard an Irish accent off one of the agents...just like being there in the good old days.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12214 times:

Cabin crew have no interest in disrupting passengers holiday/business plans and have clearly shown a willingness to negotiate. Management have disregarded this and could not wait a weeks for the arbitrators decision. It's damaging for staff morale and more importantly, hurting the EI brand. And just when we thought we'd moved on and were looking forward to a new EI.

All I can hope is the arbitrator acts soon and makes a fair decision. Does EI management have to implement the changes recommended by the arbitrator?? Or are they purely recommendations?


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12204 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 6):
Cabin crew have no interest in disrupting passengers holiday/business plans and have clearly shown a willingness to negotiate. Management have disregarded this and could not wait a weeks for the arbitrators decision. It's damaging for staff morale and more importantly, hurting the EI brand. And just when we thought we'd moved on and were looking forward to a new EI.

All I can hope is the arbitrator acts soon and makes a fair decision. Does EI management have to implement the changes recommended by the arbitrator?? Or are they purely recommendations?

Excellent post COEI, we can surely hope for a fair decision.

The recommendations of the arbitrator will be binding upon both parties and will have to be implemented. I just wonder what is taking the arbitrator so long to reach a decision and how will EI proceed if a recommendation is made to the opposite of what has been implemented to date.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12175 times:

I think communication improvements haven't come into place in EIs head office as there statements continue to contradict the previous!

I haven't once heard Impact mention a strike. They actually issued a statement to say the action being taken would not affect passengers

[Edited 2010-08-13 12:10:06]

User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12155 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 8):
Sounds like Mr Mueller is upset that HIS share options and potential bonus have dropped in value by 10%.

Spot on Eagleboy, as in previous post I completely agree with you. In fact, there is a definite tone of bitterness to that aspect of the official statement, especially as the share price is now some €0.11 below the initial target hurdle price as of close of trading today.

Also, I'm not aware of the official situation in relation to the employee shareholidng - but much of this net uplift in value over the past while will have been merely paper wealth and the employees will not have seen any tangible difference.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlinesawtooth From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

Ireland West Airport held "Europe's first airport open evening" today. From 7-10pm the terminal and airside retail areas were open to the public with discount sales, holiday competitions and local radio onsite. They had events for kids, tours of the control tower and ramp / fire tenders. There were also some GA/private jet aircraft on the ramp and performing circuits.

Seems to be a PR project to show local people how the airport operates behind the scenes and view new developments in the last few years, while boosting sales in the airside retail area. Innovative idea however from what I heard the numbers attending were far higher than expected and there were long queues for the tours and the car parking couldn't cope with the numbers.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11896 times:

I doubt if the Knock open evening is really all that novel, I seem to remember something similar at one of the UK regionals - perhaps Coventry - some years ago. It is however a good idea, and a useful way to build goodwill with the neighbours. A little ironic then that no Irish airport has less near neighbours than Knock!

User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11891 times:

On another note if the full strike goes ahead and EI park the planes and bring in other carriers to operate the network then it could make for some interesting spotting  

User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Minor incident at KIR on Thursday being reported today by the Independent

"TWO German men walked from their light aircraft after it skidded, belly-down, on landing at Kerry Airport. The Air Accident Investigation Unit of the Department of Transport yesterday began an inquiry into the incident, which happened on Thursday evening.The four-seater plane, belonging to an aero club in the Munich area, had flown to Kerry from Guernsey in the Channel Islands......"


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11529 times:

i've gone and got the data myself.

Sources

Aer Lingus: http://www.aerlingus.com/media/aerli...orporate/Investor_Presentation.pdf (page 15)

Air berlin http://ir.airberlin.com/fileadmin/PD...ntationen_2010/2010-05-20_Q1-E.pdf (page 9)

CASK

Aer Lingus 5.61 cent
Air Berlin 5.67 cent

staff costs as a % of CASK

Aer Lingus 23.1%
Air Berlin 17%



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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11479 times:
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So EI have a lower cost per KM then AB but their staff costs are proportionally higher. Am I reading that correctly?

Could these higher staff costs be attributed to the higher cost of living in Ireland than some peer European countries?
And do these staff costs refer to all staff rather then just the cabin/flight crew? After all CM wants to reduce 'back office' staff by 40%, so after that process overall staff costs should be reduced.

Nice links, will have a read later.


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11491 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 24):
So EI have a lower cost per KM then AB but their staff costs are proportionally higher. Am I reading that correctly?

Could these higher staff costs be attributed to the higher cost of living in Ireland than some peer European countries?
And do these staff costs refer to all staff rather then just the cabin/flight crew? After all CM wants to reduce 'back office' staff by 40%, so after that process overall staff costs should be reduced.

Nice links, will have a read later.

Indeed, very interesting links Eagleboy.

These staff costs per passenger encapsulate the entire staffing body cost per passenger and are not related solely to cabin/flight crew. Therefore, I would be very interested to know a further breakdown of the respective cost bases, in terms of allocation from Head Office etc, weighted against other departments. Unfortunately this information won't be disclosed.

As you say, there has been a clear indication towards a commitment of a reduction in ''back office'' staff - but I would like to know what that collective group of employees consists of in total. These reductions are not due to be completed until the end of 2011 - which is a significantly greater amount of time when we consider the deadlines for cost consolidation acceptance imposed upon cabin crew.

In terms of cabin crew, after this round of voluntary redundancies - the amount of crew just cannot be reduced any further in order to sustain operations. Indeed, if EI were to expand in terms of destinations and frequencies, while maintaining all existing routes/frequencies constant, by as little as 2%-3%, they would have to re-hire additional crew.

Regardless of the current dispute, there is likely to be some moderate improvement in the EI share price when results are released on 24th Aug - because Christoph Mueller has indicated quite clearly in the last two statements that Total Revenue is ahead, quite likely by some amount when compared to previous guidance issued by the company.

Therefore, we are likely to see a bit of the ''better than expected'' skew/syndrome impact the share price, at least for a while.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11380 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 24):
the higher cost of living in Ireland than some peer European countries?

germany and Ireland have a similar cost of living

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 25):
These staff costs per passenger encapsulate the entire staffing body cost per passenger and are not related solely to cabin/flight crew.

EI is a smaller company, so head office staff costs are proportionally higher per passenger, but against that Air Berlin acquired LTU, so probably still have two sets of head office costs.



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User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11344 times:

Hi everyone,

Been a long time reader of A-net and especially the Irish threads (many thanks for days of enjoyment to all!), but decided it was time that I join up and try to become one of the gang!

My background is in history, I'm purely an academic...but if being nuts about aircraft, transport etc is a qualification, then I think I can contribute a small bit to this forum. Looking forward very much to continued reading and some input also!

A nice day to all,

CaptainMeerkat



my luggage is better travelled than me!
User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

does anyone know by chance if S7 sent an A310 to Dublin last night? I was fiddling around on FlightStats and noticed it was scheduled as such, its usually an A319 however. I am currently inb Russia on research and tried booking flights home with them but the prices are ridiculous! BMI are cheaper. Is there so much demand for DME-DUB-DME, or are people escaping the smoke of Moscow!?  

[Edited 2010-08-21 04:01:12 by srbmod]


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User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

Quoting CaptainMeeerkat (Reply 33):
Been a long time reader of A-net and especially the Irish threads (many thanks for days of enjoyment to all!), but decided it was time that I join up and try to become one of the gang!

Welcome to the gang  

I guess S7 doesnt really get much coverage here due to their night schedules it usually is an A319 , would be nice to see a A310 shame they are not daylight hours.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11221 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 37):
They apparently are bringing in UK staff to work out of Dublin, which is outsourcing under another name.

They have been doing that for a while, ORK-LGW was being operated 2x daily by LGW based crews. Although this will change to 3x weekly for the winter

Quoting CaptainMeeerkat (Reply 33):
Hi everyone,

Welcome to the craziness. I love the username, btw!



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

@ oa260, thanks for the welcome! is it possible to sign up to ALFC on the same day or should I wait?!

yeah s7 have nice hours into Dublin. I flew out with them in June and it was such a hassle. SHP checked by bag straight through to my final destination in Russia (double flight with s7 from DUB-DME-KZN) but my bag ended up being stuck in customs in Moscow and eventually in Tashkent (!) The airport in Kazan wanted to charge me 150e in fees to retrieve it but a mix of Irish charm and Russian unpleasantness saved the day. Be warned if you ever fly through Moscow, retrieve your bag and declare declare declare....

just a note on s7 since it isn't discussed so much. I flew with them last year (January 2009) and the LF was dismal, around 40%. This time, the A319 was packed solid. They were due to finish flying to Dublin in mid-August but have extended the service until mid September. Looks like a route that isn't doing too bad at the min.

@ brian

many thanks, was looking for something funky and impartial!  



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User currently offlinecallbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11120 times:

Using LGW crew to operate LGW-DUB and ORK flights is one thing, bringing them in to operate DUB- Europe flights is a very different scenario.

User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 26):
EI is a smaller company, so head office staff costs are proportionally higher per passenger, but against that Air Berlin acquired LTU, so probably still have two sets of head office costs.

I certainly understand your point about the size of respective airlines and therefore the staff costs being proportionally higher per passenger. However, if we were to deal in terms of the overall total staffing cost attributable to Head Office and associated functions at both Aer Lingus and Air Berlin for example - would Aer Lingus' total cost in this regard be in proportion to that of Air Berlin? I'm quite certain that it wouldn't to be honest and I feel that not near enough scrutiny has been placed upon such costs at Aer Lingus over the course of various cost reduction programs.

Regardless of what has happened in the past - the issue this time around is very clear. Cabin crew have been fully compliant with the various aspects of Greenfield to date - they have undoubedtly taken their burden of the cuts and alterations to work practices.

However, Management have gone further yet again - they are in contravention of the Greenfield agreement. Why, did they get staff to vote on this agreement if they were only going to change it's terms again in the immediate future?

The approach is more than provocative. Furthermore, why are Aer Lingus not scheduled to have a meeting with the Labour Relations Commission until the 26th of August - one day after the period of official notice of industrial action expires. Is it that they wish to wait and see what will be the next move by IMPACT so that they can threaten the remaining very reduced levels of crew with the Redundancy or ''Nuclear'' option as Christoph Mueller likes to call it.

IMPACT representing cabin crew are not the only union that have been unable to make headway with Aer Lingus Management in the past. IALPA have had considerable difficulties as have SIPTU. Whilst I agree that some decisions taken by IMPACT in the past did not represent full sense or best practice - sometimes these decisions have to be taken in the context of being left with no other option and no other ''implements'' to combat a situation or to defend cabin crew.

Aer Lingus Management obviously have short memories. It was only a little over 7 months ago, with Christoph Mueller already well in power at Aer Lingus - when Sean Coyle resigned. As per the Aer Lingus full year report:

Quote:
Mr Sean Coyle resigned as a Director on 31 December 2009. Upon his resignation he received a severance lump sum of €375,100,
amounting to 12 months’ emoluments in lieu of notice. In addition he received one year’s employer pension contribution to a pension
scheme, amounting to €58,400.

After this totally unjust payout, Cabin crew and other staff members across the spectrum had to cope with deep cuts. Now, Management have the nerve to turn around yet again and seek to implement even further cuts, along with clearly issuing propaganda statements to creative a negative public perception of Cabin Crew and to absolutely twist the facts of the situation.

Let us not forget either that the very individual who is driving this latest round of reviewed conditions is himself earning €9875 per week or a little over €0.5 million per annum. He is also receiving other benefits to the value of €42,250 per annum.

It is very disappointing that Management, who continue to enjoy significant perks and large salaries continue to grind down cabin crew, their salaries and operating conditions. Perhaps if the public had some more insight into the situation it would be helpful. Talk to any of the crew on a T/A run and you will see the reality. It was only last October when it was explained to me how the trays from which crew had their meals during their breaks on the T/A flights were removed as a cost cutting exercise.

This has degenerated to a bullying exercise by Management at this point and there comes a time when it has to stop. How quick would Christoph Mueller be to accept a 15% reduction in his salary, announced to him on Sunday and to begin immediately from Monday?

There is too much red tape and bureauracy in Aer Lingus, behind which middle management can hide and be unproductive. Cabin crew who are facing the brunt of the cuts and who are clearly being targeted are also responsible for several aspects of ancillary revenue generation.

Many across the industry will remember Christoph Mueller's approach at Sabena and how that ended.

It's high time that Aer Lingus Management and Christoph Mueller treated cabin crew, the vast majority of which are hard working and diligent people, with the respect that they deserve.

If their current approach is to continue, it will cause serious problems amongst staff and for the airline. Revenue, confidence, industrial relations and morale will all suffer.

Their current approach and stance is NOT necessary and is more than troubling.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 386 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10805 times:

seems i picked a rather unpleasant time in Irish aviation to join however!
but if there is one thing I have learned from reading the Irish threads over a long period of time is that we all share a common bond of the want to be successful on the national and internatioal stage, whether it's Aer Lingus, Ryanair, the DAA etc etc.

No matter what disagreements might arise, don't forget that we are all here because of our mutual interest in the pursuit of Irish greatness! As Gandhi once said, "Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress" or my favourite and rather fitting for this case from E.B. White, "There is nothing more likely to start disagreement among people or countries than an agreement"

EDIT: spelling at 0035 is awful

[Edited 2010-08-15 13:32:24]

[Edited 2010-08-21 04:04:52 by srbmod]


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25 oa260 : Etihad celebrated their 3rd year at DUB, since 2007 they have carried over 400,000 on the DUB-AUH route and have announced their Premium Lounge to ope
26 Thediplomat : Great to see EY doing so well. I haven't flown to the Gulf since Gulfair were on the route, so will have to give them a try sooner rather than later.
27 styles9002 : I generally appreciate your comments on this board but this is a value judgement and, while you entitled to your opinion, I think it is clear where y
28 EIBusiness : I am pleased that you see where my sympathies lie in the matter Styles. However, Sean Coyle was only entitled to that payout because of proposals by
29 EIBusiness : In addition to the comments on the latest situation at EI - I think this passenger review posted yesterday on SkyTrax is quite telling in many respect
30 shamrock321 : Some news and rumours, 0B will continue on DUB for the winter with a twice weekly service on TU/TH with much earlier flights than they currently opera
31 Post contains images ClassicLover : Interesting discussions going on at the moment, but I have a question and I need a definitive answer... I am going to finally try EI Business Class (a
32 LUPOR1D : They did- VP-BTJ operated the flight. They sent a 763 last week too
33 CaptainMeeerkat : Hi LUPOR1D, many thanks for the information! confirms my suspicions that there is indeed a good number of people using the service. It is a pity it is
34 airfinglas : Hi ClassicLover. That was me. When I recently traveled on the 108 I got the voucher which I used before going through security. If its a full dinner s
35 EIBusiness : Very much agreed AirFinglas regarding the EI 104 and full dinner service. I have never travelled the 108 but the full dinner service on the 104 is mo
36 kaitak : That depends on Blue Air actually surviving the winter; apparently their financial position is pretty poor. Some other good news however; EY will (ac
37 Post contains images aer lingus : Just back from my HKG trip last week. The weather was great at HKG, don't know how the weather was at DUB while I was away? While I had a great time f
38 shamrock321 : When will EY cargo start DUB?
39 oa260 : Hmm very true. I see a firm has done a deal with Terminal 2 to place a luxury car and sell raffle tickets to win.
40 COEI2007 : Ive seen them in DUB a few times and wondered how theyre doing? Good news about MA; its nice to see some variation to EI and FR, and more importantly
41 oa260 : The BAA strike has been called off thank god , it would have caused major disruption to cross channel flights.
42 shamrock321 : Im sure US are hoping to pick up what little passengers AA would have had!
43 Eagleboy : Another point to consider was that Sean Coyle was held responsible for the huge loss over fuel hedging that EI endured in 2009. While I realise that
44 minty33 : Playing the ultimate devils advocate, may I suggest that the likes of Mr Coyle and Mr Muller got themselves in these positions of authority, power and
45 Post contains links BHD : If you haven't received an answer for this yet, you will get the reg from the following site Heathrow and Gatwick airport movements - simply click ar
46 dstc47 : Coming soon to Tubber International Airport direct service to Arklow International. Read em and weep.......http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland
47 Post contains images oa260 : lol.... TUB - Dublin West Airport Another pipe dream , they would be better to donate the money they are going to loose to charity instead.
48 Post contains links EIBusiness : You raise some interesting points Minty, However, no one is disputing the fact that Mr Coyle or Mr Mueller acheived such positions through extensive
49 JWMD123 : Ryanair - Dublin "West" Airport!!!!
50 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : EIBusiness, I'm starting to think you are flying with Aer Lingus ONLY to speak to the cabin crew..... and happy 11th A-Net birthday to kaitak also! Ed
51 Post contains images EIBusiness : LOL! Or, to put it more accurately, maybe because they are the only crew from any airline that will speak to me You see - I always manage to get a pl
52 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : Enough plugs there to run your laptop, washing machine, TV.... I admire your respect for CC, it seems they are under appreciated in almost all circums
53 minty33 : Just to respond to some well made points EI Business. Very true indeed, however, my understanding of boardroom procedure would be that Mr Coyle would
54 EIBusiness : Absolutely - I very much agree with you. Certainly a typo, but I couldn't help interpreting the jog - LOL! With such reduced numbers of crew and the
55 CaptainMeeerkat : opps, changed now, thanks! is it rude of me to ask about the salary scale of CC, generally or within Aer Lingus for example?? I know that they have t
56 EIBusiness : Hi Minty, Yes, indeed you are fully correct in that the board would have voted on such largescale decisions. However, the buck stops with the CFO at
57 EIBusiness : Hi CM, Due to the sensitive nature of this information - it is not published publicly. However, general industry norms are available online if you ru
58 Post contains images ClassicLover : That's what I thought from previous posts. That makes sense - I wanted to try the full dinner service. I will generally choose flights based on wheth
59 Post contains images oa260 : Congrats Kaitak and many more of them, thanks for all your threads over the years Look forward to a TR on this I know there will be lots of pics of t
60 Post contains images EIBusiness : Well done! That's a wonderful bargain to grab. I've no idea of Qantas' FFP or what you would have had to spend to earn those miles but the miles toge
61 minty33 : Hey EIBusiness, Apparently, the issue of breaks pertains to the short flights, DUB-LHR, for example. They used to take their breaks during the turnaro
62 Eagleboy : I appreciate your interest in seeing the plan.I know that plan altered a bunch of working conditions to allow the target of 850 Block Hours to be rea
63 Styles9002 : I made no comments on 'fairness or equity' with respect to anyone's employment. I fail to see what 'fairness or equity' has to do with employment com
64 EIBusiness : Styles, I appreciate your response but I'm not on here to discuss the various equalities throughout society. It has everything to do with this partic
65 EIBusiness : Hey Minty, Indeed. This is an absolute integral component to the problem. To date, there have been no signs of that pattern settling down and at the
66 Post contains images ClassicLover : There certainly will be - we'll be travelling outbound in Y, so it'll be a good report to compare both classes on the same route (albeit at different
67 Eagleboy : I agree with you. EI HAVE to streamline. (As comparison EI have 44 aircraft and 3700 staff, with Air Berlin it is 148/8500, EZ= 179/6666) The current
68 kaitak : Thanks OA260 (and Captain Meeerkat!) ... how things have changed since I first started using A.net ... what was EI like in 1999 ... still 737s, 146s
69 EIBusiness : No problem at all ClassicLover - only delighted to help in any way that I can. If you have any other questions that I or anyone else may be able to a
70 Post contains images ClassicLover : Yes, it's very handy actually. It's called "Family Transfer" and you need to select the relationship of the person you're transferring from/to from a
71 callbell : To answer the question about the catering in Business Class on EI on flights 104 vs 108... The 104 will have the usual eastbound dinner service and co
72 shamrock604 : You are of course correct in your analysis Styles, but just to play devils advocate with the situation, we are currently in a climate in Ireland wher
73 minty33 : May I publicly say a big thank you to Eagleboy, who sent me a message detailing some of the finer points at hand with the cabin crew and management, i
74 shamrock604 : No, I dont use FR's services, (and havent for about the last 4 years) although i'll admit that is mainly because I just dont like the experience of t
75 Styles9002 : There is no comparison between the amount of corruption in Ireland and the US; we are miles ahead (or behind, depending upon the perspective) of all
76 Post contains images shamrock604 : Perhaps not the best example to use given the heritage of the Kennedys??
77 dstc47 : Not only does the celtic tiger continue to plan extra airports, to fill in the gaps and in the absence of any money, but schemes for the provision of
78 EIBusiness : I don't state that I'm entirely objective in this particular matter though Styles. I'm not because on this occasion it is quite obvious to me as to w
79 shamrock350 : Those three years went by very quickly! Etihad have gone from strength to strength at DUB so well done to them and the fact a Premium Lounge is openi
80 minty33 : Speaking of Middle Eastern carriers and going back to a previous post of mine concerning FR and their glorious HR methods, it would appear that in the
81 kaitak : Doesn't surprise me in the least; EK already has a significant number of ex-FR pilots. Looking on the positive side, it does create opportunities for
82 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus Regional will be giving out free 25% discount cards on local attractions to passengers flying to Shannon. All passengers travelling to Shan
83 Eagleboy : Grat bit of marketing there for both parties. EIR looks like a good supporter of the region and the local attractiopns may get increased business. Ha
84 Nibog : Hi all, A quick question that I have often meant to ask here in relation to development fees at airports. Friends recently flew from Knock who have A
85 shamrock604 : "Team Ireland" is definitely something that needs to be promoted. Air France for example are unashemedly french in terms of their product - the best
86 styles9002 : I heard from a few a sources that AA should be launching up to five new routes from JFK to Europe in Spring 2011 and that JFK-DUB is on the short-list
87 shamrock604 : I had heard the same. I'm guessing this is going to be a 757 route, and in that context, during the summer at least, I doubt there is much to worry a
88 styles9002 : Yes, I read previously where BA claims a healthy amount of Irish-based business as part of its customer base. Does ATI mean that BA and AA, et al, wi
89 Post contains links sawtooth : That's what they say in their website, though I've no idea if they follow through. http://www.irelandwestairport.com/ai...rtguide/airportdevelopmentf
90 shamrock604 : Yes, I believe ATI will mean that AA,BA and IB will share all costs and revenues on the Atlantic. That is currently the arrangement with AF/KL/DL. Yo
91 shamrock321 : Would be great if AA started JFK, and if US start CLT well then things would look really good for DUB! On the job front for me this would be excellent
92 styles9002 : Shamrock604, Yes, I have used AA's new T8 at JFK many times and it is very nice. Wide open spaces, high ceilings and lovely views. Plus, if BA and IB
93 shamrock321 : Having spoken to alot of DL passengers who used DLs terminal at JFK, I've never heard a good word about it!
94 dstc47 : And I dont believe you ever will, the DL facility is a dismal dump which got more and more run down over the years I used it. The AA facility at JFK
95 gosimeon : A friend of mine is flying home to New York today and his flight is delayed by 8 hours with Delta. Didn't a similar delay occur last week? I like Delt
96 shamrock321 : 8 hours, he'll be lucky more like 10! There was no DL delay last week, it was AC but DL164/165 has had some lengthy delays over the summer. Infact all
97 styles9002 : Indeed, DL has has some challenges ex JFK on trans-atlantic flights this summer and the 'dismal' terminals (both T2 and T3 at JFK) make the experienc
98 shamrock321 : DL165 now showing delayed in to DUB until 2130!, means its still in JFK wonder will it even leave today?
99 EIBusiness : Have to say that I very much agree with this. In fact, Delta's facility at JFK is a disgrace. Overcrowded, noisy, too warm, not well maintained, poor
100 JWMD123 : Main reason why when I flew to LAS recently I flew DL via ATL and not JFK. At least if something goes wrong in ATL, it is their main hub and would pr
101 shamrock321 : Delays from ATL can be sorted alot quicker because of the countless 763s knocking around, they just simply have to change a schedule here and there, a
102 COEI2007 : I see FR are starting CRL-LCA! I wonder could a DUB-LCA route work for them? I definately think theres a market for DUB-LCA and Izmir/Bodrum, once or
103 Eagleboy : There were nearly 5000 applicants in the last process approx 2 years ago. These are the first two recruitments in quite a while I believe. Boards.ie
104 Post contains links oa260 : There is also an open day next week at the Clarion in DUB for Pilot training college. http://www.pilottrainingcollege.com/...s/tabid/241/ItemId/46/Def
105 Post contains images gosimeon : I used it in 2007 and also last year and, wow, the place is a dump! Parts of it are actually third-world, loose wiring and broken (Or just no...) esc
106 Post contains images shamrock604 : I think the plan is for a major build out for T4, which will see both piers majorly extended. PANYNJ said that they will continue to cater for the ex
107 shamrock604 : Done LH to FRA twice.. flight rammed both ways.. mainly connections onwards to PEK and SIN though. They have very competitive fares for O&D pax t
108 EireRock : They have great loads into Dublin, and there has been almost a constant A321 flying the route all summer.
109 oa260 : Yes shame whenever I flew them all connectors. There were Italians/Greeks/Indians/Japanese on my last flights. Also LH email me all the time special
110 Post contains images Nibog : Sawtooth,thanks for that,they paid it,just about and no more,but again thanks for the info.
111 Post contains images shamrock604 : Nothing wrong with that fare! Am thinking of taking that trip myself, although it will be a different A380...... I couldnt possibly change sides now,
112 AuleyAir : I just notice on the arrival board on DUB website, Athens Aer Lingus EI443 20-08-2010 00:35 Cancelled Birmingham Aer Lingus EI443 20-08-2010 01:30 It
113 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : Part 1 of my Chicago trip report is up for all those non-DUB, non-EI folk that are interested US Customs In Shannon, Ireland + CO To ORD (pics!) (by A
114 shamrock321 : Dl164/165 wasnt so bad passengers were all in hotel all day and then DL sent anyone who wanted it to a hotel for tonight aswell, alot of them would ha
115 shamrock604 : May well be a fuel stop. ATH-DUB is a fair old sector for a 320 with high loads and unfavourable winds. Wouldnt be the first time i've heard someone
116 styles9002 : I can think of stranger things than US operating a summer seasonal CLT-DUB. They have a nice operation in CLT and from what I've read it is a reasona
117 shamrock604 : Exactly. I wouldnt discount this rumour at all to be honest. Let's face it: Atlanta is no huge O&D market from Ireland, but DL have been making t
118 styles9002 : I think if Dublin can secure a year round AA service from JFK, summer seasonal US from CLT without losing any service then 2011 would be a great year
119 shamrock604 : I think there is also the "new terminal effect" to consider. Such new facilities do raise the profile of an airport in the minds of the airlines.. it
120 dstc47 : LH always have very high loads, to and from FRA, but more particularly with connecting traffic onward on LH. Of course some of them are possibly still
121 shamrock604 : I am very surprised that LH's experiment with MUC, STR and TXL last year didnt work for them. MUC in particular suited LH's model at DUB, being a str
122 Thediplomat : I flew to MUC on LH when it was operating - full A320, with plenty of connections.
123 Post contains images gosimeon : Good to see the route is going strong then. I guess it must be, as they do offer 3 flights most days. I just realised they offer a 20kg check-in bagg
124 Eagleboy : Have heard the same. Makes me wonder at the lack of EI interest in the route, even on a seasonal basis.
125 EireRock : They sell the whole aircraft as economy class AFAIK, there is a business class section with wider seats but i think that may be first come first serv
126 shamrock321 : The LH flight to MUC was always packed and indeed mostly with connections, I cant understand why they didnt grow it. There is quite a number of destin
127 AmricanShamrok : Plus, CLT-DUB would be considered domestic because of the CBP preclearance at DUB Terminal 2. Thanks!
128 EIBusiness : Indeed, this is also my experience of Air Canada. Old cloth style seats are available on the DUB-YYZ route in First. These are the original seats pro
129 oa260 : It was good if you bought a cheapo Y class then were Star Gold as they let you pre assign the Domestic F class seats free. That may have changed now.
130 shamrock604 : Funny, seeing as they were advertising a 2 class 767-300 with full J class service for this summer on their website last year. Forward bookings for J
131 EireRock : The flights have been really packed too, great loads, it surprises me that they dont do a year round flight, even 4 times a week.
132 Post contains images shamrock604 : Yes, AC are always very busy at DUB, but most people are only familiar with their all economy service. With a bit of marketing, I am sure they could
133 EIBusiness : Absolutely shamrock604 - they did the same also two years (summers) ago. In fact, I saw Executive First on sale on the website for the DUB route with
134 shamrock604 : I would necessarily rule it out on that basis over the long term. EI quite be quite canny about their codeshares. If you remember when EI went into O
135 COEI2007 : I think EI highlighting Canada as a market via ORD shows a route would be possible. If they can make J work on such a leisure orientated route as MCO,
136 Greenjet : I have flown AC a couple of times to BOS via YYZ - significantly cheaper than EI to BOS. It's surprising how many of the AC passengers connect on to
137 shamrock321 : Oddly enough in this months Cara magazine the front cover is for an article covering Toronto and inside there is also an article on Calgary. Perhaps a
138 kaitak : Funnily enough, I was thinking about that last night, on my way back from MAN to DUB; most airlines promote cities they already serve in their inflig
139 oa260 : Lol too true , They used to park at the A gates sometimes and I used to love watching that.
140 Post contains links and images Thediplomat : Lets not forget that EI used to operate to Montreal (via Chicago?) many many years ago on boeing 720's and 707's From distant memory, there were also
141 Post contains links bestwestern : Not sure if anyone here reads the very interesting Boyd aviation weekly rants. Most are nothing more than a pop at his usual causes, but now and again
142 EireRock : What are you refering to here? The fact that the door has to be pulled down to be closed?
143 AmricanShamrok : Yes, this was started in the 1970s and operated SNN-YMX-ORD.
144 EIBusiness : Some very interesting points there COEI regarding the potential for YYZ and EI. One point I would note to date about MCO however and J class is that
145 ClassicLover : Agree on one of the best BOB offerings out there - certainly better than any of the pap Ryanair offers, however I still remember when it was €7 and
146 Post contains images EI2KSEA : I suspect the Quebecois may have an issue with this statement Montreal is a fantastic city and in terms of historical emigration patterns (although p
147 bx737 : Just read an interesting piece of info that I didn't realise. Looking at European airlines and taking pax numbers into account, LH (including all its
148 CelticMech : Depending on your point of view, Like them or hate them (or MOL at that)....you have to hand it to them. Amazing figures. When you look back at when
149 CaptainMeeerkat : I think it's fair to say that most people agree with this. The success of FR is simply amazing indeed. I think it's less a matter of what they have b
150 kaitak : I agree that it's a huge achievement, but God almighty, they have become SO difficult to deal with - all their silly rules, their complete inflexibili
151 dstc47 : ORD is no fun for transit connections coming off EI, it makes LHR seem like a fun place, the only plus is pre clearance at Dublin. The Irish communit
152 Post contains images ClassicLover : Well, when I went for an interview there they did say that things had become better as time passed. There is a certain amount of flexibility now. For
153 shamrock350 : I'll be flying Ryanair again in just over a week, I'm actually quite looking forward to it and hopefully I won't have any problems because I won't be
154 shamrock321 : Indeed diplomat you might want to rephrase, Montreal is in Canada and not the USA! Haha!
155 AmricanShamrok : I'd say it's a bit of a farse really. Coming home from LGW I had to get a new boarding pass because the one I'd printed at home wouldn't scan at secu
156 Eagleboy : What was the deal with that. Seems very doidgy that they are only paying out now. Its probably quite madcap but imagine an FR after MoL and the curre
157 styles9002 : What?
158 EI2KSEA : On the contrary it seems the Irish ability to deal with it (or French at least) is one reason why the population isn't as visible as elsewhere - I di
159 Post contains images oa260 : Well back in May when I was booked to Milan which was cancellled myself and many others were told by the Aer Lingus ticket desk that we could take th
160 shamrock604 : Most of us would consider that the Irish are rather poor at picking up other languages when compared with our EU neighbours who always seem much more
161 Ire2008 : Hey all just got into aviation management in DCU, let college begin lol Kevin
162 Post contains images CaptainMeeerkat : Hearty congratulations!
163 EIBusiness : Well done Kevin, Considering the increased competition this year and that this is a new course it should be a great experience. Sincere congratulatio
164 Post contains links and images oa260 : Congratulations, wish you well with your studies. --- Terminal solution to airport link KEVIN Myers is one of the few in Ireland today who seems to t
165 Ire2008 : Thanks, should be fun anyway, hopefully there will be jobs after the course tho! Kevin
166 EIBusiness : Always a major concern these days Kevin. All you can do is to put in 110%. Gain as much practical experience as is possible along the way and endeavo
167 Eagleboy : Well done you. Is that the one with the CPL segment in the second year? Thats looks like an interesting course. Well EI will be looking to replace He
168 EIBusiness : Good point Eagleboy. How much of a CPL program can be completed within the course itself? I know of a few guys who are doing the BSc (Hons) in Airlin
169 clydenairways : I don't know if this has been reported yet but i noticed on another website an announcement that Manx 2 will start the ORK-BHD route from the 08Sept w
170 dstc47 : Correct the mail coast rail line is sadly very close to maximum capacity and it would be very expensive to add additional track capacity, so no easy s
171 AuleyAir : Congrat Kevin and welcome to DCU. I correctly studying there but not aviation management. Might see you there somewhere around DCU.
172 EIBusiness : Agreed ClassicLover - it certainly was better value at the €7. The potato cubes were always very nice but I guess that they may have been more expe
173 tonymctigue : One must ask the question about why EI haven't made more of an effort to start DUB-Canada routes what with all those long haul aircraft they are stru
174 Nibog : Hi Tony,I have to agree with you here,friends of mine recently flew BFS-LHR-YYZ on BA,they did use TSC a couple of years ago,and I used them myself,B
175 tonymctigue : I've always been curious as to what TSC are like but have never had the reason to go to Canada. There was a serious advertising campaign for the summ
176 Nibog : Tony take a fools advice and visit Canada some day,wonderful country,I travelled all over the east coast and really enjoyed it.TSC flight was grand n
177 styles9002 : For someone to suggest Canada has 'as strong if not stronger' links to Ireland than the US is preposterous. I certainly don't question the fact that
178 Post contains links oa260 : Aer Lingus net losses narrow Aer Lingus reported today that operating losses fell by 80 per cent in the first six months of 2009 and said it aims to b
179 EIBusiness : The headline figures from Aer Lingus this morning are certainly significantly better than this time last year. We have seen the first quarterly profit
180 gosimeon : Listening into the Aer Lingus presentation now. Interesting news regaring the United Airlines deal. The Madrid route is going well, and they are looki
181 tonymctigue : Jesus Christ. Someone is certainly touchy and obviously takes an off the cut remark way, way too seriously.
182 EIBusiness : I think that so far, the most significantly positive point is the turnaround in the Long Haul operation, which is now performing exceptionally better
183 Post contains links EIBusiness : http://www.aerlingus.com/media/aerli...ingus_half_year_report_pe30610.pdf In summary then - a very positive turnaround in the Aer Lingus performance.
184 oa260 : I can certainly see where your coming from Tony when I first moved here it was OTT the importance of this Irish American thing and the tons of routes
185 Eagleboy : I respectively disagree with you here Styles. While Yes the US is far far larger than Canada in terms of its Irish associations, Canada still has a s
186 EIBusiness : I completely agree with you Eagleoby. Also, I think that if we are to get a binding decision - we will see further recovery in the share price as it
187 shamrock604 : Sadly, it isnt that simple OA. There are big capacity problems on the Northern rail line already, with a very poor DART service north of Howth Juncti
188 clydenairways : Hear Hear! And just to add to Shamrock604 comments on the earlier Kevin Myers article. It would be like saying that the Tube at Heathrow is only for
189 clydenairways : 12 Million is not small.
190 Part147 : Just got my confirmation email for the T2 trial this Thursday - anyone else going?
191 Post contains links kaitak : I'm sure this site - Casper.nl flight tracking - has been mentioned here before, but I did not realise that it also identifies the specific aircraft f
192 Post contains images auntie : I just got an email from them asking me to confirm dates and it was showing me one avaiable - 09-10-2010 They want 1500 people and there are 1036 pla
193 Post contains images oa260 : Its American dates ( god knows why ) so you are confirmed 9th October
194 Post contains images auntie : But can I be sure which one is the American Date Thanks for that OA
195 Post contains links and images Greenjet : Quoting auntie (Reply 192):Anyone else notice this? Incidentally the 09-10-2010 was on the list below 18-9-2010 so I am guessing it's 9th October. I h
196 Post contains images OA260 : Well if you turn up and they say wrong date .... yes
197 Post contains images auntie : Good point!!
198 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : I never liked Kevin Myers and find this to be the case for most journalists too. I got one where I had to pick dates in September/October! I think I'
199 grimey : Same happened to me, I emailed DAA and I'm waiting on a reply. I take it that it's the 9th October, suits me better if its a Saturday
200 Post contains links kaitak : Aer Lingus cabin crew suspend work to rule, to review the proposals of the arbitrator: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0824/breaking
201 Post contains links Eagleboy : To move away from the EI focussed discussion of late: Emergency services were put on standby after a Ryanair aircraft had an engine failure on approac
202 kaitak : Just for those interested in registrations, it looks like FR will not be continuing with the 'EMx sequence after 'EMR, which was delivered in July. Th
203 auntie : Thanks grimey - I'm glad I wasn't the only one confused by it. Yeah definitely better for me too if it's a Saturday.
204 EIBusiness : Very positive news to finally read of a ruling from the Arbitrator. As is always the case in such situations, a middle ground ruling or recommendation
205 OA260 : I noticed also that EI have said they will introduce new Fare formats, I wonder what they will come up with.
206 Post contains images EIBusiness : Indeed OA260, Well according to the results, the uptake of the ''Best'' fare is currently in line with expectations and they are working towards roll
207 OA260 : What routes is it currently on? I booked flights to LHR and didnt see it there although I do remember seeing it somewhere on one of the routes a week
208 EIBusiness : Currently it is available from ORK-CDG and DUB - FAO, AMS and BCN. It also guarantees Gold Circle earning for a small premium - which has really been
209 BHD : Same happened to me - Sat 10th October suits, but September 9th doesn't, so I cancelled my trial date due to the confusion - hopefully it will get so
210 shamrock350 : It's very encouraging to see such improved half year results from Aer Lingus, this time last year it really was an uncertain time for the airline but
211 Post contains links clydenairways : DUBLIN AIRPORT RENAMED “JEDWARD” BY POLL OF 10,000 RYANAIR PASSENGERS http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/dubli...-airport-to-be-renamed-the-jedward Th
212 EIBusiness : That's a very good point Shamrock350. BFS and LGW were in line with operations in terms of ''operating'' performance. However, when the relevant fixe
213 EIBusiness : Just got a confirmation e-mail from the DAA regarding trials and I have also selected the 9th of October. Looks like there may be quite a few A.netter
214 gosimeon : Hopefully they will come up with a better idea than the "Fliexi" deal they currently offer. I almost feel insulted any time I order and they offer me
215 shamrock350 : If you're booking last minute the difference between low fare and flexi fare can only be about €10 so you're getting two bags and lounge access for
216 eicvd : Kaitak, some of the rest of the EMx sequence of registrations have already been taken up. EI-EMS is an MD-11F with CargoItalia, EI-EMW & Y are 73
217 shamrock604 : Funny that.. Didnt FR recently introduce YET another 10 euro surcharge to tickets booked on line? Maybe we should rename Ryanair "Jedward air", or Ca
218 Post contains links abc9 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc If anyone can find anything funnier than the attached link about low-cost airlines, then I'd love to see it
219 kaitak : I always think of the innkeeper in Les Miserables when I think of Ryanair! "Reasonable charges Plus some little extras on the side! Charge 'em for th
220 shamrock604 : Yes, EI and BE are very guilty of similar practices, but neither have been so blatant to, one on hand, bitch about the 10 euro tax or DAA airport cha
221 wexfordflyer : I just got an email from the DAA about the T2 trials but when I went to the site to choose my date they all showed up as full!! Looks like there has b
222 Post contains links kaitak : Good to see that there is so much enthusiasm about this; the new terminal looked great when I passed through the airport on Friday evening; can't wait
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