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User currently offlineSSPhoenix From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Hello,

I'm currently residing in the UK, but my trips back home to Nairobi have either been on British Airways (if their direct flight is cheap enough) or EK (Who have a massive stopover at DXB which I don't mind because I get to do 12 hours worth of spotting!) ... anyway:

NBO used to be served by Gulf Air during the 90s ... their fares and service were attractive enough that I remember flying numerous times with during which the flights were packed to the brim. Now ever since EK began with testing the waters at NBO with an A332, they did spectacularly well (like with all their destinations). Now they are serving NBO double daily with a 77E & A332! In the recent past (4-5 years ago ... I'm not sure) Qatar has started NBO daily with a A320.

What I'm trying to highlight here is that from my personal experience I can see major industrial and tourist trade between Kenya and the Middle East, not to mention that Nairobi is a major gateway for Ethiopia, Sudan, Central African Countries and the rest of East Africa. I think only neighbouring Tanzania has been able to parallel this success (and quite rightfully so)

My query (finally!) is Although Etihad is the kind of airline that may not want to explore a route that is already served by the other two big gulf carriers, have they at least ever considered giving it a go? Have they looked at any other East African Destinations? ... and if they do begin to serve Nairobi then what are the chances of that route working out for them.

For all those who are residing in or visited or thinking to visit EAfrica: Karibu! (welcome!)

[Edited 2010-08-13 02:02:22]


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User currently offlinejambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

DAR doesnt not need anymore airlines atleast in the next 2-3 years.

Since past 1 year- Oman AIr, Turkish, EgyptAir all started flights to DAR. Yemenia is also starting DAR from December this year and then from January Qatar is going 12x weekly from current 7x weekly.

There is an overcapacity in the market. I personally know atleast 10 of my friends flew DAR/DXB which on a direct flight would mean 6hrs each leg and paid USD $ 500 tax inclusive for a return ticket during different times in this year.
And getting these low fares are not difficult year round except Jun, Jul, Aug.

It is sad.

Sameway Europe/DAR is almost 30-40% cheaper then compared to 8-9 years back.


User currently offlineSSPhoenix From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting jambo (Reply 1):
Since past 1 year- Oman AIr, Turkish, EgyptAir all started flights to DAR. Yemenia is also starting DAR from December this year and then from January Qatar is going 12x weekly from current 7x weekly.

There is an overcapacity in the market.

I understand what you mean .... NBO is served by all those airlines (exceot Oman I think) in addition it being Kenya Airways HQ. It just occurred to me that Air Arabia has also moved into the picture with NBO .... and they've created a new buzz.

(which is why I've changed the title from Etihad now focusing on the entire region) ... any chance of FlyDubai moving into the market as well?



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User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1883 times:

Quoting SSPhoenix (Reply 2):
(which is why I've changed the title from Etihad now focusing on the entire region) ... any chance of FlyDubai moving into the market as well?

Absolutely. I wouldn't rule out Mombassa or even Zanzibar (used to be a GF destination at one point). These two are small for an A332 and about right for 4-5 weekly 737 flights to DXB, which might work given the relatively strong O&D with DXB and the size of EK's network beyond DXB.

Quoting jambo (Reply 1):
There is an overcapacity in the market. I personally know atleast 10 of my friends flew DAR/DXB which on a direct flight would mean 6hrs each leg and paid USD $ 500 tax inclusive for a return ticket during different times in this year.
And getting these low fares are not difficult year round except Jun, Jul, Aug.

Better for the consumer though.


User currently offlineSSPhoenix From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting directorguy (Reply 3):
Better for the consumer though.

Exactly ... EAfrica has such a rich mixture of people all willing to go through the Gulf:

I'm of Indian origin, as far as i'm concerned most of relatives (100s) insist on flying through the gulf (not imposing this on everyone else who travels direct to Europe or Asia)...

Then there is a LARGE African population with an Arab heritage .... the list goes on

DO any of the larger gulf carriers have agreements with domestic or regional carriers to provider feeder traffic in NBO or DAR?



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User currently offlineEKfan From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Oman Air doesn't fly to NBO but KQ have recently announced that they're starting service to Muscat. I flew TK from NBO to JFK via IST about a year ago, but the NBO-IST leg leaves in the middle of the night and is operated by a 737-800 with no IFE and a shorthaul business class. Not so competitive product-wise, (but very low fares).

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting SSPhoenix (Thread starter):
Karibu! (welcome!)

Asanti sana! I usually fly BA, VS or KL into NBO. One time i did KQ and Alitalia (way back!) and you are right the flights are packed.

One must remember too that the reason for the EK success in the shear number of Indians living in NBO. It's huge and these folks love to go home. I believe that AI used to serve NBO for many years.

Quoting EKfan (Reply 5):
but the NBO-IST leg leaves in the middle of the night and is operated by a 737-800 with no IFE and a shorthaul business class.

Most northbound European flights to Europe (except VS I believe) leave in the middle of the night. BA, KL etc all leave close to midnight. That departure time also helps with the hot/high issues.

NBO-IST on a 738....that is a loooooong flight!



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User currently offlineSSPhoenix From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting EKfan (Reply 5):
I flew TK from NBO to JFK via IST about a year ago, but the NBO-IST leg leaves in the middle of the night and is operated by a 737-800 with no IFE and a shorthaul business class. Not so competitive product-wise, (but very low fares).
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
NBO-IST on a 738....that is a loooooong flight!

Quite Rightly so ... I've now been planning my trip back to Nairobi for months and TK show good prices but I am being held back by that timing of that horrendous flight! they arrive in NBO at 3.30 a.m and depart at 4.50 a.m something like that on the 738 .... I thought they might dispatch a decent 738 but with no IFE and a short-haul cabin I'm going to make a pass unless they improve the flight.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
Asanti sana! I usually fly BA, VS or KL into NBO. One time i did KQ and Alitalia (way back!) and you are right the flights are packed.

 

In the good Old days (80s and 90s) NBO was served by a double Daily BA flight, daily LH, AF, Alitalia, Sabena. Swiss, KLM!



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