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User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

I have noticed more and more Mexico based business jets are getting stripes removed and going for the "blank" look.... any reason?

I will use XA-ASI for example:

Before (2007):
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Gulfs...d=8169baf67fa07b361f93677374e6b12a

After (2009):
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Gulfs...d=8169baf67fa07b361f93677374e6b12a

Thank you,
My1le
ERAU 2013

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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
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I would guess with everything that's happening in Mexico, the more your jet blends in with the other business jets, the better for safety.
Obviously the registration is still visible, but every little bit has to help. A painted tail is easier to spot from a distance than a plane's registration.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 1):
I would guess with everything that's happening in Mexico, the more your jet blends in with the other business jets, the better for safety.

Wild incorrect guess. I can said ASI is the only "white" one out there.

I took this one this year, they all got "something/stripes":


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User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Well, I am looking for photos, but I have seen several Citation X's, Gulfstreams, and Lears in ALL white, one of the X's has a white paint with silver letters... Seems to me that BlueFlyer's comment is more correct.

XA-FMX is the all white Citaiton X. I saw it do a few missed VISUAL approaches into IAD last summer.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...d=a3fd1ba5b788cbb90d77f7d9a0b11d45

I was also thinking it may simply be due to heat, having a dark stripe all over the cabin may cause it to draw heat and make it harder to cool in the summer in Mexico.

My1LE


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 1):
I would guess with everything that's happening in Mexico, the more your jet blends in with the other business jets, the better for safety.
Quoting my1le (Reply 4):
Seems to me that BlueFlyer's comment is more correct.

And I'm not buying it. All white planes are extremely rare. I can assure you nobody is trying to blend in. If anything the plane went in for an inspection and they gave it a repaint, and stuck to plain white because it's cheap. Or, the more likely scenario, they will add the stripes later on.

Quoting my1le (Reply 4):

I was also thinking it may simply be due to heat, having a dark stripe all over the cabin may cause it to draw heat and make it harder to cool in the summer in Mexico.

So you obviously think the whole of Mexico looks like this:



Right  

A few cheat lines will not make a difference in temperature.

[Edited 2010-08-15 18:00:42]

[Edited 2010-08-15 18:14:07]

User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

My1LE,

Alright. You know, that after the US, Mexico has the second biggest bizjet (props and jets) fleet in the world? Brazil is second in terms of choppers after the US and again, Mexico comes third.

TLC has nearly 400 jets stored. There's gotta be a few wearing only white. It's also, a cost saving thing.

g77



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User currently offlineetherealsky From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 6):
Alright. You know, that after the US, Mexico has the second biggest bizjet (props and jets) fleet in the world

That's actually a pretty interesting statistic if true. I would've guessed it would be something like the UK or an oil-rich nation like the UAE or Saudi Arabia (although I suppose Mexico has a good share of the oil industry too).

I wonder if there are any 'tax haven' nations (maybe around the Caribbean?) that have a disproportionate amount of bizjets registered compared to the total population?



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting etherealsky (Reply 7):
That's actually a pretty interesting statistic if true.

Do your research.

US, Mexico, Brazil and Canada share a nice and rich aviation industry.

Having a Biz in Europe is very expensive.

g77



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User currently offlinemy1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

The cost saving factor is true... after I read that, I remember a customer whos flight department painted their jet in ALL White, so it would appeal (somehow) to buyers. Their reasoning was it would cost the future buyer more to remove and paint a stripe than to just buy a "blank canvas" and add their own colors.

It was just something I had wondered over the years seeing these jets arrive into the US.

Thank you,
MY1LE
ERAU 2013


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4069 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
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Quoting etherealsky (Reply 7):
That's actually a pretty interesting statistic if true.

It's hard to do an accurate count because, for taxes or other reasons, every country has aircraft operating within the country while sporting another country's registration, but the ranking listed above is generally assumed to be correct. To give you some idea of the difficulty, until a recent (or soon-to-be) change in Russian law, the concept of a private business jet did not exist. If you owned an aircraft of any decent size, you were required to be structured as and treated like an airline, which required among other things a staff of at least 30 employees. As a result, in 2009, there were less than 100 business jets registered in Russia and approximately 500 more operated regularly in Russia, owned by Russian interested, but registered elsewhere.

While the Russian situation is somewhat extreme, there are many countries and many reasons where planes fly with another country's registration.

Another example is Mexico where, if I recall correctly, about half the private planes owned by Mexican interests are registered outside of Mexico, mostly in the US.



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User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 9):
Another example is Mexico where, if I recall correctly, about half the private planes owned by Mexican interests are registered outside of Mexico, mostly in the US.

Very true, even we have a lot of XA-s and XB-s Bizjets, thousands of Novembers birds flying with Mexican crews are here. It's cheaper to fly every 6 months your birds to the US and return it than making it Mexican.

That Russian law is stupid!! Russia is such a big country, if that law changes, it might be up to par with Mexico and Brazil in very few years.

g77



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