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Southwest To "evaluate" 737-800!  
User currently offlinetpa36r From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25889 times:

Fair use http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/so...valuate-addition-737-800-our-fleet

Quote:
Earlier today, I shared with our Employees that Southwest has been evaluating the opportunity to introduce the Boeing 737-800 into our fleet as part of our domestic network, but we have not yet finalized our decision. While the aircraft introduces additional complexities to our operation, we believe our existing network could be enhanced by converting some of our future 737-700 deliveries to 737-800s. Introducing the -800, which has more seating capacity than the -700, would be a complementary fit to our current fleet by supplementing opportunities for longer-haul flying, while also potentially improving our unit costs. The -800 can also give Southwest scheduling flexibility by allowing for additional capacity in high-demand, slot-controlled, or gate-restricted markets—in other words, we can carry more passengers to some of our most popular destinations.

Since the decision to add the -800 has not been finalized, any details regarding configuration, timing, and quantity of deliveries are still to be determined. Given the long Boeing lead time from order to delivery, Southwest would need to make a final decision by December 1 to begin accepting deliveries by early 2012. We are proud to continue our strong history of being the largest Boeing 737 operator in the world, and excited for the potential opportunities that lie ahead for Southwest Airlines which would come with introducing the -800 into our fleet.

This almost sounds like a done deal!

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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1627 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25871 times:

Quoting tpa36r (Thread starter):
introduce the Boeing 737-800 into our fleet as part of our domestic network

Forgive me for the potential stupid question, but does Southwest have international destinations?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25842 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Forgive me for the potential stupid question, but does Southwest have international destinations?

If you consider PHX to be part of Mexico and SEA part of Canada
 



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User currently offlinetpa36r From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25837 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Forgive me for the potential stupid question, but does Southwest have international destinations?

No they don't serve any international destinations. It's been rumor for years for them to start Mexico service and this might be the next move to make that happen.

As the article states though, this is more of a "more seats" kinda move into airports with slot restrictions such as LGA which SWA started serving last year.

[Edited 2010-08-13 07:30:00]

User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25620 times:

Quoting tpa36r (Reply 3):
No they don't serve any international destinations. It's been rumor for years for them to start Mexico service and this might be the next move to make that happen.

WN largest constraint for International service and code share is their IT systems. There is a lot of internal contention regarding the legacy IT systems. As mentioned above, WN next move would be International service.
The WestJet code-shared failure was due to WN IT infrastructure. WestJet is a very IT savvy company.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25584 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 4):
The WestJet code-shared failure was due to WN IT infrastructure.

I think ti also had a lot to do with the whole DCA and Delta deal.....that seemed like the last straw, though the DELAY in implementation was likely due to IT.



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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25499 times:

SNA would also be a potential market since it's slot controlled.


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25405 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 4):

WN largest constraint for International service and code share is their IT systems. There is a lot of internal contention regarding the legacy IT systems. As mentioned above, WN next move would be International service.
The WestJet code-shared failure was due to WN IT infrastructure. WestJet is a very IT savvy company.

Yep that's true the IT upgrades are now taken care of...look for WN to go through with the Volaris codeshare by the end of the year



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25303 times:

Will be a nice addition:


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User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25092 times:

Well now, you didn't have to be "Einstein" to call this one!!! I would love to see us get away from the flying bowling shoe paint scheme. I think we are due for a refresh....The -800 has been bouncing around for couple of years now, just go flying in some of the hi density markets and you will see why we NEED the -800. Funny just recently it was mentioned that they can fit at all but 6 gates in MDW,
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[Edited 2010-08-13 08:50:40]

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24994 times:

Not the best news for C-series proponents at WN, is it?


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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1057 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24948 times:

With other LCC's using this model, I never understood how WN could ignore it.

However, 737 to 738 is about a 36 pax difference so it is significant (and requires an extra f/a).

I wonder why they would not have more of a variance and look at the 739 which would have about 48-50 pax difference.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25737 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24946 times:

Good deal. I think such a move was long time overdue actually. Yes it adds a bit of operational complexity, but the upside is also quite substantial.

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 6):
SNA would also be a potential market since it's slot controlled.

SWA has continued to grow its SNA slot portfolio virtually every year. Also the carrier does not have a very high LF at SNA, so the airport is not as constrained as one might think.

Instead I can see a -800 be much more useful in a place like LAX, where due to gate limitations, SWA has been stuck at ~110 departures for a decade now without ability to add flying without replacing something else.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24858 times:

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 4):
WestJet is a very IT savvy company.

Not the failed roll-out of their previous reservation system, I wouldn't think.
Apparently things are in much better shape now.

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 10):
Not the best news for C-series proponents at WN, is it?

But the 738 and the CS100/300 are surely targeted at different markets.

As far as WN mixing different types of 737NGs in their fleet, WS seems to be doing this
fairly OK, as they have 736s, 73Gs, and 738s in their fleet (I think 15, 61, and 13 respectively)

In any event, a loooong time ago WN had a very small clutch of 727s, so conceptually this is not new.



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User currently offlinefrmrcapcadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1727 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24683 times:

Curious, are 738s, 739s available for short term lease? If so could WN try them and see?

Res international. I see the most likely for a new LCC which does only international, and out of 2nd/3rd tier airports whose home cities would describe them as underserved. WN has a lot of flights to Spokane and Portland OR and would be a great feeder to such an international airline. It could be a fairly uncomplicated system. I think both cities would be delighted to add a few non-stops to Asia and Europe even if only two or three a week.



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User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24642 times:
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Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 7):
Yep that's true the IT upgrades are now taken care of...look for WN to go through with the Volaris codeshare by the end of the year

Unfortunately now that Mexico has been downgraded by the FAA, US carriers can not initate a codeshare. So, for now, the Volaris-WN code share is on hold.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24608 times:

The 737-800 would also be better suited for West Coast-Hawaii flights.


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User currently offlineoflanigan From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 24464 times:

Will they come from Boeing ETOPS certified. That is an additional cost for WN to take on correct, and would they take it on initially?

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24182 times:

Thats is a bummer for the CS . While I always thought the 800 would be a perfect fit into a majority of WNs top routes and their recent move into LGA, I really thought they would be considering the CS series. While it would be a gigantic step away from Boeing, it would allow them to continue flying roughly the same size aircraft for a cheaper initial price tag and impressive lower operating costs ( yet to be proven).

Great news for WN and sounds like the deal is when not if! With WN being such a loyal Boeing customer over the years, could they somehow take delivery sooner than 2012 or is that the amount of time needed for WN to get an 800 operation up and running?

From a ground ops standpoint, how much longer would it take to turn an 800?


User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24058 times:

Will the 300s be gone by then?

Considering every WN flight I've been on the past year has been 100% full, it makes sense to me to upgrade to the 800. Certainly there are routes, both for slot restricted, gate restriced and long haul (Hawaii and transcon) where putting more bodies on a plane would be great.

Hopefully this will include new interiors too - southwest could really cram a lot of people on an 800 if they went with the slimline seats.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 24028 times:

Well it looks like all the -800 chatter on a.net has come to fruition! lol

Anyone know what the turn time is on Ryanair and WestJet's -800s? What is WN's current turn skd like in LGA and BOS...given the traffic and gate constraints. Building single F/A -800 'chaser' patterns is not really that big of a deal, so I would assume the only true cost built into the equation would be on the ground ops side.


User currently offlineplanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6240 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23812 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
But the 738 and the CS100/300 are surely targeted at different markets.

Yes, that is correct. However, with the probable introduction of the 738, commonality becomes a much larger issue and, for an airline that tries to avoid complexity to their ops, having a different type would be avoided.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 18):
a cheaper initial price tag

It doesn't have a cheaper initial price tag.

Boeing would not let anyone undercut them with WN.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23551 times:

There are a few -800s parked currently, and I'm sure WN could strike a deal with one of their leasing companies to try 'n buy...  


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User currently onlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 23446 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Forgive me for the potential stupid question, but does Southwest have international destinations?

If you consider PHX to be part of Mexico and SEA part of Canada

More like SAT is part of Mexico....   



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 23349 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 11):
With other LCC's using this model, I never understood how WN could ignore it.

Out of curiosity, just what other LCCs (or more accurately phrased LFCs) IN THE UNITED STATES are currently flying 738s? Yes, TZ flew many of them in their final years but they soon realized that on some routes it was too just big of an aircraft; which is why they later opted for a few second-hand 733s. Since TZ is sadly no longer around any more; who else is left outside of WN among US LCCs:

FL - While their 737 order does have an option for 738s (and their 737 safety cards include a listing and section for 738s); to this day, they have yet to either exercise such option and fly the 738.

B6 - No Boeings in their fleet although their A320s are a direct rival to the 738 sizewise.

F9 - While they did fly 732s and 733s in their early years, they've been strictly Airbus in their mainline fleet for some time; with their backbone plane being the A319 which is a direct rival to the 73G.

Ultra-LCC NK - Never had a Boeing in their fleet and like F9 the majority of their fleet are A319s.

LCC but not LFC US - While it still flies the 733 and 734 (which is about the same size as the 738); it never flew any variant of the 737NG.

While the 738 has been a favorite among network/legacy carriers like AA, CO and DL; it really hasn't seen much action among LFCs in the States since TZ's demise.


Quoting connies4ever (Reply 13):
In any event, a loooong time ago WN had a very small clutch of 727s, so conceptually this is not new.

WN's flying of 727s occured in the early years of their expanding beyond TX (courtesy of deregulation), predated the debut of the larger (than the 732) 733 and was well before any 737 having transcontinental range existed.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 22):
There are a few -800s parked currently, and I'm sure WN could strike a deal with one of their leasing companies to try 'n buy...

Out of curiosity, are there any former-TZ 738s still parked in the desert? That would be one way for a carrier to get fairly new 738s without waiting for new builds.

[Edited 2010-08-13 11:04:52]


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25 Post contains links 777fan : Funny, some people thought I was crazy when I created this thread about three weeks ago: WN: Why Not The 738 And/or 739? (by 777fan Jul 21 2010 in Civ
26 Post contains images clickhappy : How about the 738 new build at RNT that doesn't have a customer
27 Post contains links and images EA772LR : The WN 738 will look good, and will be a really nice change from the 733/73Gs. Aviation-Designs.Net:Design © Andy JungTemplate © Jason Whitebird
28 IMissPiedmont : Well Phoenix is just an eastern suburb of Los Angeles and Los Angeles pretty much is Mexico so..........
29 777fan : No doubt - they'd essentially re-take the ATA routes. 777fan
30 EA772LR : WN doesn't fly to Hawaii. Are they planning on starting ops to Hawaii?
31 Post contains links cessna2 : Here's another article I found about the seating capacity...Fair use http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HINH6G0.htm Southwest estimates th
32 luvfa : We just got a message from our Union President for re-opening our contract, (there is a provision which calls for this in the event we fly any AC besi
33 1GR8AIRLINE : I think every carrier in the United States is a low-fare carrier these days, whether they want to be one or not. Low-cost is another story, though!
34 PHLBOS : Price an itinerary that has no LFC (B6, FL, F9 and/or WN) competition and you will see otherwise.
35 bjorn14 : or as Willie Nelson said, "I don't live in Texas, I live in Austin"
36 Post contains images BD338 : yep, it will be a real nice change to look at a slightly longer 737 Got to imagine this has a high probability of occuring. Makes a lot of sense for
37 AADC10 : That sounds scary. If they start doing that, then they are becoming more like a legacy carrier. The legacy carriers had done a lot to become more lik
38 Post contains images Boeing1970 : Common... You aren't even close.... EL PASO!!!
39 einsteinboricua : I wondered why WN never took the 738 seriously until recently. And I also wonder whether the 739ER would be a better fit. Also, if WN orders the 738,
40 Boeing1970 : I think it will have more to do with cross country routes or getting pax to low yield destinations with better ecoomics (like Orlando) than anything
41 Bluewave 707 : I've seen reports that with the -800, WN would have to add an extra f/a to carry 4, with the -900ER, it looks like they'd have to fly with 5 or 6. Fli
42 QANTAS747-438 : Right. I'd be interested to see how the -800 would fit at gate 3 or 5 if there's a plane already at gate 1. I agree that the -800 would be awesome at
43 bobnwa : Both the aircraft and the airline have to be ETOPS qualified. For the airline it would involved changing maintenance procedures , re-writing manuals
44 aerobalance : Apparantly, you haven't tried getting seats on the prime weekend SNA-LAS flights - need more seats, always full.
45 ScottB : The big issue for SWA using the 737-800 at SNA would be their share of the annual passenger allocations.
46 aerobalance : I didn't know they had that, thanks for the info.
47 ScottB : They seem to manage in Florida, Texas, Phoenix, Albuquerque, etc. True, but Aloha, Alaska, ATA, America West, and Sun Country have all managed to do
48 777fan : I know WN doesn't fly there but they did maintain a codeshare with ATA when they flew there circa 2003-2005 (?). IIRC, they operated in the 4XXX flig
49 hannahpa : LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
50 tguman : I believe it is: 15 -600's - Tail # 601-615 71 -700's - Tail #001-011, 201-260 13 -800's - Tail #801-813 (812 is the special colours jet) This is as
51 Post contains images par13del : Not saying you are wrong but if that is / was the cause it would be a disappointment. WN has always known the features it's systems lack / need for i
52 homsar : WN has operated different-sized 737s since the 737-300 was introduced. The 737-200s and -500s had/have 122 seats, while the -300s/700s have 137 seats
53 mtnwest1979 : Sun Country flies some IIRC
54 BMI727 : Maybe they have and it just never was made public. I'm sure that they and Boeing carefully considered sizes when designing the NG, but of course, a l
55 Post contains images KELPkid : Dude...there are forum members from there, you know...
56 thegreatRDU : Forgot all about that had this not happened it would have...
57 Antoniemey : You'd be the only person I've met who wants MORE people crammed into the plane with you... Down in the west Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with
58 WNCrew : Can someone elaborate on this? I don't understand how AQ couldn't do it, yet WN does multiple short legs per day with very short turns. Was it becaus
59 tpa36r : Shouldn't be a issue.Boeing issues a cool down time from thrust reverse to idle. You have to give something to the effect of 3 minutes before shuttin
60 sunking737 : Yes SY has 6 737-800 and 3 737-700. The -800 has been their work horse A/C. They get several from Transavia every winter. They are a great plane to c
61 LAXintl : AQ and WN are hardly valid comparisons. WN's average stage length is 650miles, AQ's inter-island average was mere 142 miles per its DOT numbers. (the
62 planemaker : Considering that simplified ops is quite central to WN's success, the complexity of bringing a small fleet of a different type does not fit in with W
63 Post contains images Silver1SWA : They just completed the transition to the current scheme. I think they are good for a while... Well, you weren't the first to bring it up. It's been
64 Bluewave 707 : I was told by former AQ mx folks that the CFM56s required a certain amount of minutes to cool down before the next re-start. I think it was at least 3
65 JBAirwaysFan : Adding the 738 to their fleet would also benefit when Love Field is opened up in 2014 as it will be a gate restricted airport as per the conditions fo
66 SXDFC : The -300s ( ala the ones with the Winglets ) will most likely be in the fleet until they have served the traditional 25 years of service with Southwe
67 ElBandGeek : With their entrance into more restricted markets like LGA as well as the potential for getting back into the Hawaii routes that TZ was on, the 738 mak
68 Pohakuloa : I've also heard from former AQ mechs that not only the turnaround times on cooling the engines, but also the lacxk of cooling time at altitude had an
69 KELPkid : I think what AQ did to CFM's on inter-island runs was actually not allowing the engines to cool down during cruise. AQ's flight segments were pretty
70 Post contains images Fiedman : I wonder if they would go with the Westjet lay out of 166 seats as apposed to the cattle-car aka Ryanair layout of 189 seats
71 BMI727 : I doubt that they will go with the Ryanair configuration because they use a bigger seat pitch than Ryanair, and presumably, Southwest will get the en
72 TedEx : I guess it depends on how you define LCC... AS and WN go head-to-head on quite a few routes and has taken over much of the void left by TZ with their
73 DesertAir : This causes me great distress since I fly Volaris, actually 5 flights since October and would love to receive WN credits for these flights.
74 777fan : No doubt (note the disclaimer in my OP in that thread), but I couldn't help but bring it up again given that my last few WN flights have been jam-pac
75 Braniff727Ultra : I can see them introducing the -800 for several of their longer routes but my thoughts were more along the line of the -900 for LGA, SNA & LAX ser
76 travelavnut : Thanks guys!
77 LAXintl : LAX has no slots. SWA can run a 500 flights if they wish, only problem is they (SWA) have no room(gates) to park such flights. As result SWA schedule
78 AirNovaBAe146 : Thats exactly it. They could do any number of tactics to keep the 4th FA with the aircraft....from isolating the -800 on certain routes like MDW LGA,
79 Barney Captain : From Gary Kelly... "......The 800 has in an all coach configuration, 175 seats which is 38 more seats than the 700. And it would require a fourth Flig
80 atrude777 : As of March 2010 (the employee site has not updated this summer's schedule at LAX) WN is operating 116 Daily Flights out of 11 gates to 20 Cities. Al
81 Post contains images einsteinboricua : And the fact that the -900 is no longer in production; instead, the -900ER is in production.
82 dadoftyler : Huh? What Employee site? SWALife is updated...where are you looking? ("....looking for skeds, in all the wrong places....")
83 WesternA318 : Dont forget SAN OR Tucson!
84 QANTAS747-438 : Well, sort of. We actually use 9 gates. Gate 4A cannot handle a plane with winglets and it's rare that we get a non-wingletted plane, so we don't use
85 WesternA318 : Why on earth do you have to clse it at 630?
86 AirNovaBAe146 : How many pax would a -900ER have in SWA configuration? I'd guess somewhere between 190-199. As the 4th FA is required whether it is an -800 or -900,
87 AA43E : I hope not! I'd hate for WN to start behaving like Ryan. Making a decent profit is one thing but casting aside any concept of passenger comfort would
88 Braniff727Ultra : LAXintl; LAX has no slots. SWA can run a 500 flights if they wish, only problem is they (SWA) have no room(gates) to park such flights. As result SWA
89 JHCRJ700 : I didn't get that impression at all. It seems to me like they are just considering the type and seeing how it fits in to their plans.
90 Post contains links LAXintl : Keep in mind LAWA is a landlord, not really a terminal operator. If an airline wants to step forward to expand or modernize or even built from scratc
91 QANTAS747-438 : It's a shared gate with US and we have to give it up to them from 630p-1030p for their ONE flight. Once they get their flight out, we can then park a
92 pink77W : i hope they pick 737-900ER, more seats less flights more efficent
93 QANTAS747-438 : If more seats means less flights and more efficiency, then WN should get a 747-8H4. I don't think it quite works out that way. The 737-900ER is too m
94 Braniff727Ultra : quoting LAXint'l: But no, none of the masterplans or court settlements call for any additional terminals. Matter of the airline lobby has never called
95 atrude777 : swalife--about swa-company information-facts Scroll a bit and you'll see WN's top Ten cities, showing the info I stated about LAX. So, 116 flights or
96 LAXintl : Why short sited? No carrier was crying for additional domestic terminal. Matter of fact one of the possible Masterplan options actually called for wh
97 odwyerpw : there are some flights where a 739ER makes sense.....but it would have an impact on turn around times. Except for the few stations that have a double
98 GlobalCabotage : Would be great if the unions approve it! BWI and MDW to the left coast would have better economics! Also, could be the prelude to Hawaii, Canada, Mexi
99 777fan : Sure, it might be challenging to get some additional pax onboard (ala a 752) but if WN were to use the a/c on a longer range flight, they'd have the
100 SurfandSnow : If this aircraft type works well for a much loved carrier across the pond, I'm sure it would do just fine at WN. Though, something tells me these plan
101 hnl-jack : With Allegiant entering the Hawaii market and the successful expansion of AS flying 800's in several western market to Hawaii, WN has to be watching
102 mrskyguy : I don't recall the source, but I do remember reading that a typical SWA 737-700 *completely* deplanes in a bout 17 minutes or less (with the exceptio
103 Silver1SWA : That doesn't sound right. Maybe boarding takes 17 minutes, but deplaning has to be much shorter than that.
104 QANTAS747-438 : Without the normal drama of deplaning, a full flt with 137 on board can deplane anywhere in the 8-10min range. Boarding a full flight is in the 10-15
105 mrskyguy : Hard to tell.. I don't have the source, but it would help to remember that it's the high point of the scale. I've been aboard SWA 737s (nearly all I
106 Post contains links Lumberton : Here's a good look at the (possible) implications. http://www.fleetbuzzeditorial.com/2010/08/16/southwest-boeing-737/
107 PHLBOS : You are right, I did indeed forgot about SY; however... While the 738 is SY's workhorse plane (mind you, I mean no disrepect towards SY); I would har
108 777fan : Sure, or they could play it safe and funnel O&D and connecting traffic through LAX which would likely enable them to fill the a/c with ease, rega
109 dxing : Which they could do with their -700's if they wished too.
110 1337Delta764 : Actually, AS ordered the 738 to replace their MD-80s. AS retired their 727 fleet in 1993, with the 737-400 being their replacement.
111 seabosdca : One thing to remember about the -900ER is that it has substantially worse field performance than the -800, which could be an issue at some important W
112 Silver1SWA : This makes me laugh a little. You know how many times I work a flight that comes in twenty minutes early so it's on the ground for almost an hour, an
113 Post contains images chrisair : It's your airport. That doesn't happen often in Tucson....
114 LAXDESI : Interesting point. I think WN could easily add 6 more seats to B73G, raising its capacity to 143 seats from the current 137 seats.
115 EA772LR : I think you mean the original 739, not the 739ER. IIRC, Boeing enhanced the 739ER's takeoff abilities to where they match the 738.
116 speedygonzales : I don't see how that's possible with same thrust, higher TOW and lower rotation angle.
117 Post contains links Revelation : The Short-field Performance Enhancement Program is standard on the 737-900ER.
118 United_fan : What about BUR,would they be too long when parked at the gate? Also,my take on airlines flying 737's to Hawaii is this;yes , the planes can make it (
119 dxing : Figure 40-45 minutes to turn it. Gonna have to add at least one ramper to the mix. Those bins are considerably longer than the -700 and only a gorill
120 SPREE34 : They they could have that same lousy cramped Y product the Legacies offer?
121 1337Delta764 : What about with Weber 5751 slimline seats (the ones where the seat bottom moves forward while reclining that DL and AA use)?
122 SSTsomeday : Does WN have the option (or would they want to) revert to two-door, outdoor boarding/deplaning for the larger 737 at a lot of their destinations, in o
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