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Transaero And MIA?  
User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

The MIA-DME flight now seems to be bookable and will be served twice a week starting from October 29th. What kind of traffic will this flight be capturing, point-to-point, transfer passengers, or leisure passengers? The flight seems to end at the end of March, the same time that LH's MIA-MUC flight ends. Does this mean that the flight is only seasonal or the schedule has not been updated yet? Also i think this flight might hurt LH's loads due to stealling its large numbers of eastern european traffic.

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2298 times:
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Miami gets more tourists in teh winter then the sumer time, not many Europeans come to Miami in the summer. MIA is probably the only US city to have less service to Europe in the summer then in teh winter.

User currently offlines4popo From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
MIA is probably the only US city to have less service to Europe in the summer then in teh winter.

I'm not sure that this statement is correct. Keep in mind that Miami originating traffic to Europe is higher in the summer.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6995 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting s4popo (Reply 2):
I'm not sure that this statement is correct. Keep in mind that Miami originating traffic to Europe is higher in the summer.

This is true, however I think MIA still have a bit more service to and from Europe in the winter.

As for the MIA-DME flight. Miami has a very large russian population and Miami is a popular spot for tourist in Russia so put those two together there you go. Not exactly sure how much connecting traffic they can get.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

But is the flight seasonal or is it year round?

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1503 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

This flight will make a killing in cargo. There are a ton of flowers that go from MIA to Russia at a very high
yield. I wouldn't be surprised to see the flight eventually go year round just for the cargo.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

It might even go daily or at least 4 times a weeks by summer 2011.

User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

I had another anetter tell me that the reason is that LH have not updated next summer's schedule yet. I mean they are flying here this summer and the flights are backed in all cabins, I know because i flew the flight back in June.

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
What kind of traffic will this flight be capturing, point-to-point, transfer passengers, or leisure passengers

Mostly leisure traffic.

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
Also i think this flight might hurt LH's loads due to stealling its large numbers of eastern european traffic.

I don't think Transaero is stealing large numbers of eastern European traffic. Sure they will steal some of the Russian passengers, but no more than that. Don't forget that Transaero is backed by very large travel agencies all across the region around Moscow.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

I think this flight will increase more in the summer time because unlike other European routes, MIA-RUSSIA is highest during the summer.

User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1743 times:

I tend to agree with Sevrnaya.
If Transaero is trying a route (besides few well established ones, like Tel Aviv (3 daily) or Almaty) - watch for interests of major tour operators.
Twice a week in winter season appears to be realistic.
As to flower business - it is really huge.
But somehow flowers get delivered to Russia from Costa Rica for years. I am not sure MIA is attractive in this respect.
This is an expensive airport.
And something tells me that not only flowers come to Russia from Central/South America...


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1733 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):

So are you trying to suggest that MIA's cost profile is keeping UN from expanding any further? Plus do you see the likelihood of Aeroflot coming to Miami, because they just recently anounced Nicaragua service.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6995 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 14):
But somehow flowers get delivered to Russia from Costa Rica for years. I am not sure MIA is attractive in this respect.
This is an expensive airport.
And something tells me that not only flowers come to Russia from Central/South America...


About 80% of all air cargo (including all those flowers) from South and Central America come into MIA exclusively to make its way around the world. So there is a pretty good chance flowers from the region going to Russia already go through MIA.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Flower market is heavily monopolized.
Most deals get made in Amsterdam where the largest flower exchange is.
And I guess that most flower air cargo go via AMS.

Nevertheless the idea of UN fllghts full of flowers is entertaining.

Looking at the siatuation in MOW area I would say that UN might have a good chance to establish JFK - DME route.
Or perhaps Newark - DME.
Most pax going to SVO don't change airport due to terrible traffic. It takes hours to reach DME from SVO.
Having in mind that DME has more domestic flights and more airlines (like S7) flying around Russia and former republics - I see an opportunity for UN here.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

But you have to keep in mind that UN does not provide any feed at the Moscow end. So UN will only work as a point-to-point carrier and will have to rely on New York's russian population alone to make this flight work.

User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting miaintl (Thread starter):
Also i think this flight might hurt LH's loads due to stealling its large numbers of eastern european traffic.

People from eastern europe wont backtrack from Moscow, when there is a far superior airline offering enhanced frequency, service and comfort from Germany.



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 14):
But you have to keep in mind that UN does not provide any feed at the Moscow end. So UN will only work as a point-to-point carrier and will have to rely on New York's russian population alone to make this flight work.

I am not sure, you know.
It's all not about airlines - but about particular situation with Moscow area airports.
Those like me, who lives in the South of Moscow, would prefer to fly out of DME no matter what.
Planning my trips my first prority is DME - as going to airport and checking-in and boarding are the most unpleasant time of the trip.
United has got it, and though their flights are notoriously late - they are full.
Not only because of IAD destination - but as it's the only flight from DME to reach the East Coast non-stop.

Like last January. I was going to Bangkok.
And SU and UN prices were close.
But I did fly on almost 30 year old 747-300 instead of SU 330-200 - just to avoid driving to SVO.


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